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1 posted on 09/30/2017 5:33:36 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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“Old people don’t need life saving surgery, they can take a pain pill.” Obama


2 posted on 09/30/2017 5:53:53 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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Border Patrol Officers Seized More Than $3.2 Million in Crystal Meth Last Weekend
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2017/09/29/border-patrol-officers-seized-more-than-32-million-in-crystal-meth-last-weekend-n2388584?utm_source=thdaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=


3 posted on 09/30/2017 5:58:39 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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First it is not Opioids it’s ILLEGAL DRUGS laced withthat is the largest cause. COCAINE, HEROIN, from Mex, Iraq, Fentanyl and Afghanistan and Fen from China across our wide open borders, China even sends the Fen via USPS where they bribe workers, in container ships of legit freight, hidden in the shipments.


5 posted on 09/30/2017 6:04:11 AM PDT by GailA (Ret. SCPO wife: suck it up buttercups it's President Donald Trump!)
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I believe there was a time when the doctor and patient worked together to decide on a course of action. Perhaps I am naïve, in that belief.

Today, I can only speculate on the forces operating on my doctor. He may be influenced by hidden (or overt) kick-backs from the pharmaceutical companies. Maybe with a certain number of prescriptions, they will send him to a conference in the Bahamas.

Of course, my doctor operates with the oversight of the insurance companies. Their decision to pay, refuse to pay, or pay to varying degrees, for procedures or medications, will often decide treatment.

My doctor also operates at legal risk. For example my wife’s cardiologist must not only prescribe statins, but must prescribe a certain dose, to stay within guidelines, a form of lawsuit insurance.

Doctors who do not toe the AMA guidelines on a multitude of topics, can lose their certification. That would be bad enough in itself, but it also contains legal implications.

So when you talk to your Doctor, who is whispering in his ear?


6 posted on 09/30/2017 6:23:02 AM PDT by ChessExpert (NAFTA - Not A Free Trade Agreement)
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I firmly believe the stories about the Bushes and Quale and Clinton being in the drug business together. I believe a lot of politicians are in the drug business. Thats why they want the borders open. No borders at all is their goal.

I believe a lot of legitimate drug companies are in the illegal drug business. What I can’t figure out is “who is using all the coke being brought across the border?”. It’s tons every month.


9 posted on 09/30/2017 6:37:57 AM PDT by Terry Mross (Liver spots And blood thinners.)
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The problem isn’t the supply, it’s the prescriptions. The supply exists to fill the scrips. Get people to stop demanding quick fixes from their doctors, and doctors to stop prescribing pain pills instead of fixing problems and the supply will shrink.


14 posted on 09/30/2017 7:05:09 AM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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The Obama agenda: keep Americans dependent and stoned.


15 posted on 09/30/2017 7:23:38 AM PDT by Spok
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Most men with Postate cancer die with it rather than of it

From my "doctor" when I asked for a PSA test

Went for an "out of network" consultation to get the results

June PSA = 5.4

August PSA = 4.5

(changed diet and added herbals)

Another test next month.

16 posted on 09/30/2017 8:00:20 AM PDT by spokeshave (The Fake Media tried to stop us from going to the White House, I am President and they are not. DJT)
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All this would serve to do is make Schedule II opioid painkillers much more expensive and much more difficult to get for the people who really need them and get them legally from doctors, doctors who are not pill pushers but want to allow and give their patients the pain relief they desperately need.

Imagine having major dental surgery and being told by your dentist, “Sorry, the only thing I can give you is an OTC Tylenol. The Tylenol won’t really do much and taking too much of it can really “f” up your liver. Some oxycodone would relieve your pain over the next 24 hours but I’m not allowed to give it to you.”

FWIW about 8 years ago I had an abscessed tooth. The pain was so bad plus I had facial swelling and a high fever and that it happened late on a Saturday when I couldn’t get an appointment for an oral surgeon, I went to the ER out of desperation – the pain was that bad – like someone had put an axe blade through my jaw, down my neck and up through the top of my head.

The ER doc proscribed a strong antibiotic and about 4 hydrocodone pills to get me over until I could see an oral surgeon. I spent most of that Monday morning calling around until I finally found one who would see me that next morning. He had to remove the tooth, it couldn’t be saved but thank Godz he did for the pain finally stopped. I already had the antibiotics from the ER doc so didn’t need another script for that but the dentist gave me a script for another 6 hydrocodone pills – 3 of which I took over the next 2 days, the other 3 I flushed after determining I didn’t need them anymore. But the ones I took, they were greatly appreciated.

Or after back surgery, abdominal surgery, a C-section, etc. – “Here’s a Motrin. Suck it up and tough it out.”

I have disk compression at L5 and L6 and S4 and S5 and I have a bit of a spinal curvature and a tilted pelvis and therefore suffer from some serious back pain issues from time to time.

It is also muscular – I tend to have very tight calve and hamstring muscles and need to do intensive daily stretches every morning and every night to prevent problems from flaring up – but when my back does flair up, the muscles tighten and puts pressure on the bulged disks which cause neve pain which cause the muscles to tighten even more and causes more nerve pain ….. so on and so on until I get nerve pain and back muscle spasms so bad that I can stand up straight at all or even walk.

Imagine having a severe charley horse that not only in your calf muscle but one that also goes all the up to the middle of your back and down your side and across your ribs and then all the way down to your toes every time your try to move. And then there is also the nerve pain that radiates from the lower back and then down the legs and the muscle tightness and soreness that even effects my shoulders and neck and upper and lower arms and makes just about every part of my body hurt.

If I do my due diligence - do my exercises and stretches faithfully every morning and every night and in between whenever I can, if I keep my weight down, eat healthy and go to the gym and work out at home to do some weight barring exercises, I can usually keep the really bad back flair ups at bay. Usually. But not always. When I do get a really bad episode of back nerve and muscle pain and spasms - thank God and my doctor for a day or two of an opioid like Percocet and some muscle relaxers.

Let us also consider your 80-year-old granny who has severe arthritis and osteoporosis, perhaps fibromyalgia and who underwent or needs to undergo knee and hip replacement? Let’s just tell her to suck it up lest she become a wild eyed drug addict.

Or sadly of all, consider the stage 4 terminal cancer patient being told “Sorry, you can’t have the painkiller that would alleviate your suffering because you might get addicted during these last few weeks of your life. Or we could give you an opioid but only after a 20-page document is submitted to the DEA and we wait a year or more to hear back from them, if ever, and then after you have an interview with an addictions counselor and then assuming your insurance company even approves the $800 per pill price increase. Of course you will not likely live long enough to get approved anyway. Do you know your local liquor store has a sale on Jack Daniels?”

As for drug addicts, if you dry up the opioid supply, addicts seeking a high will do what addicts do - they will just find another drug to abuse or another avenue to find it, find another source of drugs to get high on. In other words, drug addicts will always find a way. Meanwhile people with legitimate need for pain relief will be made to prove they are not addicts or will be made to suffer needlessly and addicts will keep finding ways to get high.

Of course there is a very real problem with opioid abuse and while I have some ideas, I don’t have all the answers. But making pre-criminals out of the people who legitimately need them and are not abusing them nor likely to ever abuse them and putting doctors under even bigger mountains of red tape and preventing them from doing what is best for their patients, is not the answer either.

18 posted on 09/30/2017 9:12:36 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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This is effing ridiculous media driven hyperbole

And it’s having an effect for those of us who get pain meds and cortisone shots

The states want to get tax money to fight this so called crisis

The cops want that cash as usual for their jobs and toys

The politicians want that power

Freepers just like anything that controls behavior they don’t like

It’s a pain in the ass

We have a huge aging population that is a big chunk of it


25 posted on 09/30/2017 9:43:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (Virtue signalers should be shot on sight...conservative ones racked and hanged then fed to dogs)
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Whoa. Making it nonaddictive may (may) slow the addiction issue, but it will double the problem - and the overdoses.

This is only a good idea if you dont understand human behavior and the very nature of addiction and abuse.

Trump doesnt even drink. I doubt he understands this issue.


29 posted on 09/30/2017 11:09:14 AM PDT by Noamie
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Reagan cracked down on oversupply of addictive medications. The industry lobbied to overturn Reagan’s policies under Clinton and the next two presidents didn’t do anything about it.

America consumes an insanely high proportion of the world’s opiate pain killers. It just can’t be legitimate.


33 posted on 09/30/2017 5:06:34 PM PDT by WatchungEagle
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