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Canada Free Press ^ | 09/22/17 | Dave Merrick

Posted on 09/22/2017 9:10:53 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony

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To: Bob434

woops- Exactly


41 posted on 09/22/2017 10:27:01 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: dartuser

good point- Here’s an explanation- here is what many teach about this:

[[3. When Jesus was saying “no one knows the day or hour” He was communicating several things. First, at the time He spoke those words no one presently living (Himself included) could determine the exact day or hour of any of these future events. Second, the Day of the LORD would come for most (but not all) people like a thief - hence the repeated command to watch. Third, this statement may have incidentally foreshadowed the timing of the rapture of the Church on a future Feast of Trumpets.]]

http://www.unsealed.org/2017/08/no-one-knows-day-or-hour.html

The context in Matthew does mention His second coming- and at His second coming- He will establish His kingdom- I’m pretty sure the context makes this clear

[[No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man“ (Matt. 24:36-37).

Let’s back up a few verses to make sure we have the proper context here. After the Great Tribulation ends (Matt. 24:29) there will be various signs in the heavens. The sun and moon will go dark and the stars will fall from the sky. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear and all the nations will mourn. After that they’ll see Him coming in the clouds with power and great glory (Matt. 24:30). From both the context and the passage itself it’s clear that the day and hour the Lord was referring to in Matt. 24:36-37 is the 2nd Coming .

A few verses later, the Lord repeated the same thought, again in the context of the 2nd Coming.

“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.” (Matt. 24:42-44)]]

https://www.quickening-spirit.com/rapture-day-hour/


42 posted on 09/22/2017 10:40:53 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: TXnMA

In Matthew 24:21 the “great tribulation” refers to the destruction of Jerusalem.


43 posted on 09/22/2017 10:41:56 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

Again, your (minority) interpretation...


44 posted on 09/22/2017 10:47:02 AM PDT by TXnMA (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: TXnMA

No, about Matthew 24:21 there is no dispute. Look at the context. It is clearly the destruction of Jerusalem, and this is the massively majority viee. If you can cite one mainstream Christian scholar who teaches otherwise, I’d like to see it.


45 posted on 09/22/2017 10:51:41 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Fantasywriter

viee = view


46 posted on 09/22/2017 11:05:03 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Bob434
The distinct differences between these two phases of Christ�s coming are harmonized successfully by the pre-trib view, while other views of the timing of the rapture are unable to accommodate the differences. Here are some of the main verses that describe these two stages of Christ�s future coming.  

 

Rapture

John 14:1-3

Romans 8:19

1 Corinthians 1:7-8; 15:51-53; 16:22

Philippians 3:20-21; 4:5

Colossians 3:4

1 Thessalonians 1:10; 2:19: 4:13-18; 5:9, 23

2 Thessalonians 2:1, 3

1 Timothy 6:14

2 Timothy 4:1, 8

Titus 2:13

Hebrews 9:28

James 5:7-9

1 Peter 1:7, 13; 5:4

1 John 2:28—3:2

Jude 21

Revelation 2:15; 3:10

Second Coming

Daniel 2:44-45; 7:9-14; 12:1-3

Zechariah 12:10; 14:1-15

Matthew 13:41; 24:27-31; 26:64

Mark 13:14-27; 14:62

Luke 17:20-37; 21:25-28

Acts 1:9-11; 3:19-21

1 Thessalonians 3:13

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10; 2:8

1 Peter 4:12-13

2 Peter 3:1-14

Jude 14-15

Revelation 1:7; 19:11—20:6; 22:7, 12, 20

 

The only sure-fire way to fully resolve this issue is to set what the Bible says about these events side-by-side to see if they are describing the same occurrence.

 

            The Rapture                                            The Return (Second Coming)

           

            Christ comes in the air                                                Christ come to the earth

            (1 Thess 4:16-17)                                                       (Zech 14:4)

           

            Christ comes for his saints                                         Christ come with his saints

            (1 Thess 4:16-17)                                                       (1 Thess 3:13; Jude 14)                                             

           

            Believers depart the earth                                           Unbelievers are taken away

            (1 Thess 4:16-17)                                                       (Matt 24:37-41)         

                       

           

            Christ claims His bride                                               Christ comes with His bride

 

            Christ gathers His own (1 Thess 4:16-17)                 Angels gather the elect (Matt 24:31)

 

            Christ comes to reward (1 Thess 4:17)                      Christ comes to judge (Matt 25:31-46).

 

            Not in the Old Testament                                           Predicted often in the Old Testament

            (1 Cor 15:51)                                                             

 

            There are no signs. It is imminent.                              Portended by many signs (Matt 24:4-29)

 

            It is a time of blessing and                                          It is a time of destruction and

            comfort (1 Thess 4:18)                                               judgment (2 Thess 2:8-12)

 

            Involves believers only (Jn 14:1-3;                             Involves Israel and the Gentile

            1 Cor 15:51-55; 1 Thess 4:13-18)                              nations (Matt 24:1-25:46)

 

            Will occur in a moment, in the time it             Will be visible to the entire world

            takes to blink. Only his own will see His                   (Matt 24:27; Rev 1:7)

            (1 Cor 15:51-52)

 

            Tribulation begins                                                       Millennium begins                 

 

            Christ comes as the bright morning                            Christ comes as the sun of

            star (Rev 22:16)                                                          righteousness (Mal 4:2)

 

           

            John Walvoord concludes that these �contrasts should make it evident that the translation of the church is an event quite different in character and time from the return of the Lord to establish His kingdom, and confirms the conclusion that the translation takes place before the tribulation.�[2] Both events mention clouds symbolizing a heavenly role in both, but other differences demonstrate that these are two distinct events.

http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/an-overview-of-pretribulational-arguments

47 posted on 09/22/2017 11:17:05 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: Sean_Anthony

The day of judgment is either approaching, or it is not. If it is not, there is no cause for an adjournment; if it is, I choose to be found doing my duty.

Abraham Davenport
Connecticut State Governors Council
5/19/1780


48 posted on 09/22/2017 11:34:10 AM PDT by 75thOVI ("The crews of all submarines captured should be treated as pirates and hanged". Sir Arthur Wilson)
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To: Bob434

Here is a GREAT resource that documents how many ways a ‘secret rapture’ contradicts the Word of God. This doctrine is a very destructive deception; below find the actual Biblical passages that reveal the truth.

https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/book/e/74/t/the-secret-rapture


49 posted on 09/22/2017 11:36:24 AM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Sean_Anthony

Then this is the time to max out all your credit cards, to forget to send in your mortgage payment, to run out of milk and bread.


50 posted on 09/22/2017 11:52:11 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Constantly doing things in opposition to human nature is insanity.)
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To: Fantasywriter

goodbye fantasywriter-


51 posted on 09/22/2017 11:58:24 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: All

Here are the words of the Lord Jesus that tell you the secret
rapture is a myth:

John 17:

15 I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one.


52 posted on 09/22/2017 12:05:56 PM PDT by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Inernet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: calljack

She might want to go beg for her job back! lol and Oops!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3588134/posts


53 posted on 09/22/2017 4:19:23 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (I'm not tired of Winning yet! Please, continue on!)
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