Posted on 09/18/2017 9:49:51 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
Don’t need to go back there again .
I didn't watch it. Did it cover the million (mostly Catholic and Evangelical converts) who were massacred between 1947 and 1954 in N Vietnam?
The problem with South Vietnam, is that is was predominantly Buddhist, but the government gave preference to Catholics.
Not exactly the best way to get the population to rally around your cause.
And mine sweeping, bridge building, laying concertina and burning sh!t..
“...burning sh!t..”
First thing I smelled when I got off the plane in Pleiku, last thing I smelled when I boarded the plane to go home - and all the time in between!
I see you are part of the WA contingent. Where are you located, if I may ask?
I see you are part of the WA contingent. Where are you located, if I may ask?
No.
No mention of a massacre that I recall but it did cover the large number of Catholics & Buddhists who left the North in that time.
From Wikipedia:
In the early 1950s, the Communist government in North Vietnam launched a land reform program, which, according to Steven Rosefielde, was “aimed at exterminating class enemies.” Victims were chosen in an arbitrary manner, following a quota of four to five percent. Torture was used on a wide scale, so much so that by 1954 Ho Chi Minh became concerned, and had it banned. It is estimated that some 50,000 to 172,000 people perished in the campaigns against wealthy farmers and landowners. Rosefielde discusses much higher estimates that range from 200,000 to 900,000, which includes summary executions of National People’s Party members.
If you haven’t seen it yet, this nails Burns....
The Old Negro Space Program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xJzAYYrX8
Sounds like Mugabe. Just stand by? At least the 1 million catholics were given the opportunity to move south. It’s not that easy unless staying is a death sentence. They never cared for the Chinese. We should have known that. The French pull out reminded me of their giving up on the Panama Canal. America thought there was nothing we couldn’t do so tearing off a piece of Columbia to finish it justified the means. Viet Nam may very well have been our nations’ adolescent testosterone at work. Innocence was lost with the JFK killing.
I live in Bot-hell and work in Redmond. Was at the NBK-Keyport until last month.
“It’s all about the ships”
I’ve given some of his work a chance; the only one I liked was “Jazz”.
Many Christian & Missionary Alliance, Regions Beyond and other Evangelicals massacred pre 1954. Even more Catholics as the North had more Catholics. The South had more Evangelicals ... until surviving Catholics fled to the South. Also many non-westernized Chinese poor, small businessmen, fled for fear of their lives.
1954 to Evangelical Dalat’s fall, the last place to fall, the Commies would go into Evangelical villages* and assassinate the elected leader. The village would immediately Democratically elect a successor and he would be assassinated.
Of course, among the mountain people, not everyone converted. But everyone saw the Christian culture as good. All the missionaries did was read the Bible, pray, teach school, provide medical care to the sick and teach better farming methods.
Down below, it was mostly Bhuddists among the Catholics.
Gallup type polls were taken every year from early 1950s to the fall of Dalat. During the 50s, the Evangelicals were 100% anti-communiist. The Bhuddists were 90% anti-commie and 10% neutral. The only Americans-Canadians were extremely polite, self-effacing westerners.
Then JFK dramatically increased military advisors with carefully trained special forces. But they were not at all meek like the previous westerners.
Then LBJ dramatically increased military to 550,000 untrained guys who raped the local women and called points for jeeps chasing those on the shoulder into the rice patties to avoid getting hit. Well, let’s say only 5 or 10% were the “ugly Americans”. So only 30,000 or 50,000...per year with some doing it quite frequently during their year tour.
The Vietnamese expected war to be hell. They didn’t like it but expected it. But they expected Americans to be friendly and not rape them. Guys in my unit would laugh while telling the story of how they went into a village and saw a hot young woman. She held up her Bible and told them in good English: I am a Christian. My husband is fighting the Communists. I am on your side. Please don’t rape me.
But they all raped her anyway. Every time we raped a woman, her entire extended families and friends, often entire village, turned anti-American.
And our guys just passed it off as “Those sluts want it.”
Baseball is outstanding and the best thing I’ve read or seen on the topic.
Ken Burns is left wing slime.
Don’t you know that?
No, I lived through it.
Ken Burns: Student of History—or Left-Wing Gasbag?
http://www.aim.org/special-report/ken-burns-student-of-history-or-left-wing-gasbag/
In “How Ken Burns Murdered Jazz,” critic Jeffrey St. Clair writes, “Burns doesn’t really like music. In the 19 hours of film, he never lets one song play to completion, anywhere near completion. Yet there is a constant chatter riding on top of the music…In a film supposedly about music, the music itself has been relegated to the background.”
Burns’ “Jazz,” contains a host of shortcomings, including further demonstration of Burns’ apparent lack of affinity for Hispanics with his complete omission of Latin Jazz from the 19-hour film, over-reliance on Louis Armstrong, dismissal of jazz after 1960 and the slighting of Bill Evans, Miles Davis’ influential pianist, possibly due to Burns’ narrator Stanley Crouch’s long history of animosity toward Davis.
Alex W. Rodriguez writes, “Ken Burns’ Jazz ultimately does a disservice to the jazz community because it presents such an inaccurate, flawed, rigid, politically biased framework.”
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