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Now California plans to stop Trump from shrinking any national “monuments”
Hot Air ^ | June 10, 2017 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 06/10/2017 12:58:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

It seems you can’t get anything done in California these days unless you can portray it as some element of the movement to RESIST Trump. (Well, you can try to put everyone on a single payer health plan which cost more than twice the value of the entire state’s economy, but that’s an exception.) The latest brainstorm comes to us from the state’s attorney general, who for some reason believes that the President of the United States doesn’t have any authority to modify national parks or monuments, though where he cooked up this idea remains unclear. (LA Times)

California’s attorney general argued Thursday that President Trump has no legal authority to revoke or modify national monuments created by previous administrations.

In an 11-page letter to the Interior Department, state Atty. Gen. Xavier Becerra vowed “to take any and all legal action necessary” to preserve six California monuments, including one in Los Angeles’ backyard, that the Trump Administration may attempt to revoke or shrink.

In April, Trump signed an executive order directing Interior Sec. Ryan Zinke to review all national monuments that were created since 1996 and are larger than 100,000 acres, or were expanded “without adequate public outreach.”

California has good reason to worry about Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke turning their gaze on the Golden State when they’re finished with Bear Ears. There are several more of these “national monuments” there which are nearly as bad. The San Gabriel Mountains National Monument is yet another gigantic swath of land taking up more than 345K acres which Obama designated as a “monument” rather than asking Congress to make it a national park.

The real question here is where the state attorney general is getting his information. We’ve been over this here before and the law is pretty clear. If you want to set aside vast tracts of land as a national park, Congress has to do that. The only thing the President can do is create national monuments, but the Antiquities Act of 1906 is pretty clear on what those are supposed to include. (Emphasis added)

That the President of the United States is hereby authorized, in his discretion, to declare by public proclamation historic landmarks, historic and prehistoric structures, and other objects of historic or scientific interest that are situated upon the lands owned or controlled by the Government of the United States to be national monuments, and may reserve as a part thereof parcels of land, the limits of which in all cases shall be confined to the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects to the protected:

As to whether or not the President can order changes in status, we have adequate precedent there as well. In 1933 there were 56 National Monuments transferred to the Park Service. The same could be done with the ones in California and then the legislative branch could decide whether to keep them the same, shrink them or do away with them entirely. That’s how the system is set up to work. The state attorney general for California should know better, but this is probably just an effort to hurt the President as opposed to any serious legal inquiry.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Government; Outdoors; Politics
KEYWORDS: california; nationalmonuments; trump
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1 posted on 06/10/2017 12:58:37 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s great.

So, you are a sovereign and you will demand an Alpha sovereign keep your lands off limits...


2 posted on 06/10/2017 1:01:07 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The insanity brought on by the mental disease of liberalism never ceases to fascinate me. We see a new example almost every single day.
At some point, there is gonna be some serious major pushback and it ain’t gonna be pretty.


3 posted on 06/10/2017 1:02:14 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Please, President Trump, do not “shrink” our National Monument to Fruit Loops...Please!!!!!


4 posted on 06/10/2017 1:02:15 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

please secede already !!!!!!!!!!!!


5 posted on 06/10/2017 1:04:20 PM PDT by RaginRak
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shouldn’t Becerra be fighting crime?

I enjoy watching democrats implode.

5.56mm


6 posted on 06/10/2017 1:09:13 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The liberal idiots of California almost all live piled on top of each other in carbon sucking LA and San Francisco area Counties.

Conservative California is in the rural areas.

The liberal freaks may not want Trump to speak for them but Conservative California doesn’t want them speaking for us


7 posted on 06/10/2017 1:09:28 PM PDT by jcon40 (The other post before yours really nails it for me. I have been a DOS / PC guy forever and always e)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the president has the absolute authority to rescind these ‘national monument’ declarations, am I right? The state of CA then can make it a ‘state monument’ if they so desire. Then they can shoulder the responsibility for maintaining it. And more importantly the political responsibility for keeping these lands from being put to productive use.

The state government of California is cowardly. They don’t want to take responsibility for their crazy politics.


8 posted on 06/10/2017 1:10:41 PM PDT by Samurai_Jack (War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.)
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Well, Trump could call their bluff by vastly increasing national monuments in California.

Then California’s position would predictably fall in line with several Federal Districts on the matter of travel control: It’s OK if any President other than Trump does it, whatever it is.


9 posted on 06/10/2017 1:13:21 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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There still is quite a bit of privately owned land in the Angeles Forest National Monument and even more permitted land (which no one seems to know who is supposed to be the authority to re-authorize such permits, or even how the approval process would go.)

All of this was claimed as part of the national monument and of course, not one penny of compensation was offered to the land owners.

Rolling back things like that national monument makes extreme amount of sense and if California dives in to make a legal mess of it, they’re going to have to address landowners; honestly, this is probably the best thing that could happen to them as they’ve been in limbo ever since Obama appeared in a county park 20 miles away from the monument he came to make a speech about. California’s lawsuit would open a lot of doors to getting this settled (and MUCH cheaper than filing their own lawsuits.)


10 posted on 06/10/2017 1:16:42 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Well, Trump could call their bluff by vastly increasing national monuments in California. Then California’s position would predictably fall in line with several Federal Districts on the matter of travel control: It’s OK if any President other than Trump does it, whatever it is.

Declare the California state capitol building a national monument, toss up a fence around it, and charge admission to the elected officials who want to enter. I'd imagine that would fix the legal questions about national monuments created without the permission of those who are directly affected by the monument.

11 posted on 06/10/2017 1:18:55 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many if not all of this monument bs, has been a massive tax dodge for the left wing owners of the land.

They donate, get a huge tax write. The land is basically restricted to them and their heirs except for short periods of time.


12 posted on 06/10/2017 1:21:44 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are Millwall and on Flight 93 for our country! Lets Roll! For Americans and President Trump!)
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To: kingu

Really something, Trump wants to give the states back the land the Feds stole from them and this asshat wants to stop him. At some this goes beyond a mental disorder.


13 posted on 06/10/2017 1:22:21 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the President can designate monuments, why can’t the Prez de-designate them?


14 posted on 06/10/2017 1:25:57 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“California’s attorney general argued Thursday that President Trump has no legal authority to revoke or modify national monuments created by previous administrations. “

Unless he made them bigger, then this clown would have no issue.


15 posted on 06/10/2017 1:30:49 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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Next California will try to stop President Trump from shrinking heads:


16 posted on 06/10/2017 2:02:53 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
California has good reason to worry about Trump and Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke turning their gaze on the Golden State when they’re finished with Bear Ears. There are several more of these “national monuments” there which are nearly as bad. The San Gabriel Mountains National Monument is yet another gigantic swath of land

Trump should use reverse logic on CA and expand all the national monuments in the state so every single acre is within a national monument. Totally shut down any construction or modification of any land within CA. No new roads. No development whatsoever. How you like them apples, CA?

17 posted on 06/10/2017 2:06:48 PM PDT by Flick Lives
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

State government politicians are not immune from arrest.


18 posted on 06/10/2017 2:08:37 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Samurai_Jack

I have cousins who live in northern California. They tell me modern day California is already like two separate states.


19 posted on 06/10/2017 2:10:31 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, if California wants the land “preserved”, let them take it as a State Park and pay for it themselves.


20 posted on 06/10/2017 2:13:25 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Ex Scientia Tridens)
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