Posted on 05/06/2017 8:52:04 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
Single payor health care is coming, like it or not. Your hernia operation will have to wait a few months
One way or another, we will have socialized medicine in this country. Politicians have raised and nurtured generations of people that expect something for nothing in exchange for votes. We have imported, legally and illegally, millions of uneducated, unskilled workers that can’t afford a band-aid. We have millions of students ‘graduating’ high school that can’t read, thus, unable to get a good job with health insurance.
We have a health care system where the middle class is strapped with not only their health care bills, but the bills of the people who did not pay. We have a health care system that cannot or will not control its costs of care while the number of people able to afford it dwindles. We have a system where an MRI costs $6,000 in one hospital, $4500 in another hospital and $250 in another hospital if you can pay cash.
I’m sick of this constant bashing of Americans here. People were pushed onto Obamacare by blackmail: the IRS. I suppose if you get your healthcare benefits from a good job, you’re a parasite as well! Thanks to President Trump, we no longer have to worry about escalating penalties. That’s at least one benefit.
We have no idea if we’re going to single payer despite the glass empty people who now populate FR.
Now bash away!
Eve Pres. Trump confuses the issue, saying ‘healthcare’ when he means ‘medical insurance’. Conflating those two very different things is a disaster.
Two-tiered healthcare is a better way to describe the future. Buying supplemental insurance to augment your care will always be possible. But, like it or not, a “bare minimum” Medicare-like standard has been set. It will be incredibly costly and not cover much of what needs to be covered.
Well given our gutless Republican controlled Congress, Obamacare will not be repealed. Like it or not, healthcare has become an American entitlement, and when has an entitlement ever been abolished. Do we embrace the suck and get ahead of the curve and try to keep single payor to the payment side of the healthcare equation and keep the Rats from nationalizing hospitals and doctors? Our civil options are limited.
......”I’m sick of this constant bashing of Americans here...”
You can say that again!..It’s getting too thick here IMO....
Those complaining haven’t a clue this must be unraveled in phases...nor do they care to see.
Do away with employer based insurance and go back to “hospitalization” insurance. Pay for your own doctor visits and medicine. Doctors, drug companies, and hospitals, cut your costs to the bone! Otherwise, we will have socialized medicine.
What we aren’t hearing from are the Insurance Companies who are jerking the chains of everyone......
They are selling a product to consumers....and they don’t want to see competition over borders. They determine what you pay and what you will be deducted......none of this passed in Obamacare nor in Trumpcare without the Insurance Companies making certain their butts are covered fully with a hefty profit.
What were those stats last week or so...
50% of people can’t raise 500 bucks for an emergency....
60% percent can’t raise a grand....
And what is LOWEST deductible with Obummercare? 5/6 thousand??
They have the lobbyists and we don’t.
You got it absolutely correct. The bare basic program will be most everyone who makes less than $50,000 a year and wants cheap affordable healthcare. The supplemental insurance will be the gimmick that most who make $50,000 or more....can afford....and gives all the bells and whistles.
I know it’ll anger a heck of a lot of people but this is the only way to give people exactly what they want....affordable healthcare. Roughly fifty-percent of the nation will have the no-thrills and affordable care....and the rest will pay for good stuff.
If you look in Germany today, its the solution that exists.
Thanks. I sometimes think I’m alone in not getting my hair on fire over this.
Last night, one of those Fox panels included that young WSJ writer (he’s black and looks and speaks like Urkel) and he was saying the same thing...unraveled in phases because you have to work with the program you have. I think his name is Charles Wright...?
When my insurance premiums (bought through an exchange) reached $4,000 a month, I stopped thinking of it as an “entitlement.” More like highway robbery as committed by Liberty Valance.
What, specifically, am I referring to? For the sake of brevity, I will limit myself here to one issue, pre-existing conditions. By now, most everyone has heard conservative commentaters referring to people with pre-existing conditions as being like someone who has a car crash and then wants to then get insurance.
Astonishingly, this bit of insurance industry propaganda gets trotted out as if it reflects a genuine insight and settles the issue. Yet the truth of the matter is that, exploiting an antitrust exemption, almost all health insurance companies agreed among themselves to not insure anyone with a preexisting condition -- and even developed a common manual to bar this entire category of people. The insurers also agreed to keep secret about it.
Years ago, when insurers tried this kind of chicanery as to auto insurance, state legislatures pushed back and created risk pools that assigned such risks randomly and required insurers to cover them on reasonable rates and terms. I assume that this simple solution was not tried for health insurance because the insurance companies did not want it for fear of getting stuck with more and more of the cost.
Health insurers are major campaign donors and both parties are beholden to them. With the public wanting a solution for the problem of coverage denials for pre-existing conditions, Democrats had a ready answer: use the issue to demand a system of socialized medicine run by private insurers that would eventually collapse and lead to a single payer system. The GOP answer seems to be to tread along the same road, if more slowly. The insurance industry finds both approaches acceptable.
I would prefer to tell the public the truth, that insurance companies aggravated the problem of insurance being denied for preexisting conditions by abusing an antitrust exemption. Repeal that exemption and tell the states to develop solutions, with a pot of federal money available to help. Maybe that will resolve the problem, or maybe it will need to be addressed again by Congress.
You’re not alone by any means.....but there are a lot of ungrateful whiners here who simply cannot see the big picture. They are too focused on their desire for instant gratification........forgetting that to change this has to be done in phases or the whole boat tips over and people will be far worse off then they are now.
It needs to be done right and with the time it takes to do so.....but no matter what....in the end complainers will still complain because that’s what they do.
Think about this. In the bill and by executive order, freedom for the state to experiment is given. We have a local state Senator that is a huge promoter of "Direct Primary Care" combined with Health Savings Accounts, especially if the House and or Senate fixes the anomaly in O-Care that only let you enroll and pay for your DPC with HSA Dollars. Why is this important? 20 to 30% savings and it may go higher than that, way higher.
This Senator proposed this as an alternative to Medicare expansion here in MI, but one Rino Turncoat and RINO Gov. Snyder nixed that.
So Medicare can now experiment with such cost effective systems that have the potential of lowering cost and increasing care.
Even though this American Author writing in Canada is being a sourpuss, I ask if these changes are successful as I think they will be ( and we haven't even gotten to Dr Price's "Administrator Shall" powers w/in O-Care that were not removed to change all the Sebilius regs and more.
How does this not improve our productivity and ability to compete on the internal stage and when does all these socialist health care systems of our finest allies have to look at adopting ours to compete? I think between our Energy, Healthcare and lower Corp Taxes coming, we will clean Canada's clock in terms of GDP and competitiveness, and that i only ally.
President Trump is changing the game and no one sees it, IMHO when the rubber hits the road on this, the rest of the free world will have to emulate us...
I have patience; I first started paying close attention to politics during Reagan’s first term. Everything takes time. Since this president was elected, people expect miracles within two to three months or they’re practically calling for his impeachment! Or they wallow in Ivanka/Jared/Steve Bannon conspiracy theories. And now that Saturday night is almost here - watch out!
Very interesting post; thank you!
Is as sick as our Congress and all the incompetent politicians.
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