Posted on 04/01/2017 11:53:28 AM PDT by Trump20162020
New data shows that Ryan's job approval rating has dropped below 50% among both Republicans and Trump voters
The American Health Care Act, the GOP replacement for Obamacare, is — at least for now — just a memory. Speaker of the House Paul Ryan himself has admitted that "Obamacare is the law of the land … for the foreseeable future."
The latest Economist/YouGov Poll suggests that opinions of Ryan and the House Republicans, but not President Trump, have diminished after the GOP-majority House of Representatives failed to vote on the proposed health care legislation. And that loss of support comes almost entirely from Republicans and Trump voters — not Democrats.
Last week, 59% of Republicans and 55% of Trump voters approved of the way Paul Ryan was handling his job as Speaker of the House. This week, approval dropped 12 points among both groups. In fact, as of now, slightly more Trump voters disapprove of Ryan’s performance than approve.
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This is exactly what I would have expected.
Republicans who voted for these incompetent @-holes are equally incompetent @-holes.
Eff the Republicans!
Aww, lookit the nasty little Cruzlim; he thinks he’s clever. How kyoot.
Yeah, srsly.
I wish that Trump would call out both Ryan and McConnell. Unfortunately, it’s not the best tactic at the moment to do so. Not unless they obviously and publicly break faith first.
(And I still believe that’s why the fracas with the HFC started, but that’s for another thread.)
I still think that he’ll get more done if he forces compromises on them with a smile than if he brought the sledgehammer down... at the moment.
Maybe President Trump’s plan all along?.....the level of hate thrown Trump’s way on this forum the last week has been atunnung.
Wasn’t it Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz that worked together on the TTP bill? And didn’t Ted Cruz say during the campaign that he like Paul Ryan??? And it seems like I remember Ted Cruz and Glen Beck going to the southern border to hand out ‘Teddy Bears and Soccer Balls’ sometime early in the campaign???
That’s impossible! Trump doesn’t play 64D chess! He didn’t set Ryan up to implode! /s
most polls are fake news.
I think this one might be on to something, though.
I think Trump makes a mistake if he goes to the Dems for a deal, however. Of course, he hasn’t been wrong about much.
But more government, which is the hallmark of the Democrats, is not good.
No surprises here
“Republicans don’t blame the President for the bill’s withdrawal in the face of defeat. There are other culprits: Ryan, the Freedom Caucus, other Republicans in Congress”
LOL. The Freedom Caucus and Paul Ryan are going down in flames. Winning.
Too bad they didn’t include Ted Cruz in the poll. I’m sure he also got damaged somehow.
I disagree.
The fiasco has hurt the entire GOP, of which Trump is part.
The party cannot get out of its own way.
Doesn’t mean they can’t recover, but right now the GOP looks like it always has, utterly pitiful, totally useless and absolutely ineffective.
Last week, 59% of Republicans and 55% of Trump voters
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I’m only surprised that his approval was that high before the Ryancare fiasco. He’s been a weasel for a very long time.
I don’t think it’s hate. More like honest criticism. I don’t hate Trump. I just know that Trump isn’t or never was the next Reagan. He’s about as conservative as Nixon or Bush. Hell, I’d settle for a little free market libertarianism, but no, we get another government run health care plan.
Ryan with 59% approval among republicans should sound the alarm bells. Better replace him ASAP or the GOP will lose the house. I nominate Devin Nunes.
Ryno is swallowing poison and hoping Trump dies. He had better start working with Trump to save his own ass.
Always keep in the back of your mind that Lyin Ryan’s wife is a multimillionaire Democrat Hillary supporter.
Personally, I couldn’t get involved with a partner who held those kind of values.
But, it tells me a lot about the likely power structure in the Ryan household. And what influences are impinging on the Speaker.
In this spirit, let me suggest a compromise on Health Care, which could satisfy both the strict Constitutionalist & strict Jeffersonian, on our side, while reassuring the "moderates," who fear the result of an abrupt abandonment of the present Federal involvement in Civilian Health Care. This approach, understood, is intended to be acceptable in principal by almost all Republicans, as well as some Democrats in districts where everyone is not a Leftist "whack job."
We can start with a brief recital of medical history, to postulate the ideas--the long term objectives--first, what the framers of our Constitution intended, when they left health care legislation to the States; and secondly to the honorable intentions of the class of physicians, who assumed the responsibility of the Hippocratic oath.
{Why this is important as a unity gesture, is not just that it would appeal to the hard core right--of which I am one. It actually leads to a public debate as to an ideal that argues for a Republican approach. It leads to an ability to demonstrate why Obama care has simply worsened the already grossly inflated medical costs that LBJ's 1965 intrusions have directly contributed to. The fact is that it is lunacy to allow the Federal Government, via various mandates, to meddle in something as immediate as the relation between a physician and patient, and expect the two certain results that anyone able to picture the dynamic interaction of factors, would expect: to wit, soaring costs & declining efficiency of service. Properly employed, this discussion will help public attitudes.)
Next, there needs to be what at first blush will appear as a factual recital in the opposite direction, relating only the factors now present in American Health Care, which actually have to be taken into account, as we endeavor to pursue a reasonable strategy, acceptable to all fair minded people of all persuasions, to back the bureaucrats in Washington out of American medicine. Here is the essential legal analogy:
We have in the law a doctrine that provides an exception to ordinary contract law, which allows the creation of a binding obligation, where one party--even without legal consideration for the promise--induces another party to commit to something, or part with something of value; where the party inducing the commitment is deemed to be estopped from denying the benefit promised. Under such an understanding, it would be unfair to immediately cancel the benefit promised to those who voluntarily signed up for Obamacare, under the promises made at the time.
Note, we do not suggest a permanent Federal entitlement; only that we recognize the concept that people who committed their future medical needs under the fallacious--but for many over-powering--inducements, have a legitimate situation--from a lay perspective--that needs to be addressed in a satisfactory manner.
We have to acknowledge these concerns--both sets of concerns--the reality of what worked without the Federal Government for 2200 years, and what works in human concerns generally, and the mess that the Socialist manipulators have created by their misuse of Federal power, for functions never delegated to those Socialist manipulators.
Just starting with a brief discussion of both factors, will elevate the level of public trust that we are not bulls in the proverbial china shop.
Now before someone accuses me of compromising principle, this is how Medicare & Medicaid are handled in the appropriate Chapter of the Conservative Debate Handbook:
Facts are that Trumps just ten weeks in and that with more than intense obstruction to what hes trying to accomplish....He's not the problem...Ryan and Congress is as usual. The way things are moving against him I'm giving him a year for even getting a small portion done....already remarkable what he has accomplished...so I give him an A+....I could care less about the political rhetoric going back and forth, he;ll handle it however he desires........I look at what he's doing....and am impressed!
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