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1 posted on 02/26/2017 5:03:19 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

I think for most if it says CNN, WAPO or NYTs.

So many times you read the article it doesn’t match the inflammatory title or if you find a transcript or video you see that while their stories contain some truth it skews them to seem the opposite.


2 posted on 02/26/2017 5:16:48 PM PST by tiki
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To: EveningStar

First:

•What do you define as “fake news”?.

•What news sources do you trust?


3 posted on 02/26/2017 5:18:58 PM PST by Chad N. Freud (FR is the modern equivalent of the Committees of Correspondence. Let other analogies arise.)
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To: EveningStar
Fake news does not necessarily have to be false for it to be fake.
4 posted on 02/26/2017 5:19:49 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: EveningStar
Fake news is outright lying, making up facts ... but it's also an attempt to manipulate the narrative via partial presentation of the facts where you can claim 'I didn't lie,' or clearly adding ... editorial ... word choices.

Ultimately, whether blatant misrepresentation of physical facts or not, it's claiming to be merely reporting facts when in fact the underlying intention is to misrepresent the truth, or merely not care about the truth in an attempt to cause a reader's mind to believe something you want them to believe while at the same time they themselves believe they have just read an unbiased presentation of news. I.e 'What Actually Happened."

Also, it's fine to be biased so long as you're clear that you take a certain position. Breitbart doesn't pretend to not have a viewpoint. The MSM does. It's fine to be biased so long as everyone knows you are. (Many here would argue, as would I, that at the end of any year of reporting, Breitbart has in fact been less biased than the MSM.)

For CNN, NYT, practically every alphabet org, and the other many many many orgs that qualify as fake news, they are blatantly lying by not admitting they are carrying a propaganda message for certain interests. Even a story that is 100% technically factual leaves out facts, is worded a certain way, was handpicked to cause the reader/listener to walk away with a negative attitude toward the right, or a less negative attitude or positive attitude of the left.

I don't 'trust' any news organization ... I read, and read more, and wait, and after taking in enough points, the true shape appears. In most cases, I find that conservative news sources tend to be full of opinion but do not leave out significant facts (because they know their listeners/readers will skewer them - conservatives prefer the truth backed up by evidence and statistics ... i.e. proof ...) so usually I can be pretty certain that the more mainstream conservative sources will not totally misrepresent reality by either blatantly lying about it or leaving out significant portions. They know the truth will come out. The CNN's don'e have to worry about that because their audience doesn't follow up on truth ... they merely want to be told what they already want to believe, and leave it at that.

In the end, though, 99% of communication is non-verbal, and even verbal communication is 99% about what's included and what's left out.

So to me fake news is ... like the judge in the (60's?) who defined community standards said 'lewd and lascivious' can not be defined but you know it when you see it ...

We all know what fake news is. Determining the actual truth is a matter of sifting through 5 - 50 points of data and then waiting for more information to come up, and the picture appears.

Liberals don't have an interest in facts, only confirming evidence. So, they seek only 1 point of data, maybe another confirming one (CNN then the NYT) ... and then they put their heads in the sand. I have a friend whos a liberal voter -> not an activist or leader -> and she simply can not stand any fact. Any time she brings up some horrible thing Trump did or said, in a happy triumphant voice, like she's finally got me, I put the comment in context, note how it was twisted and taken out of context (or, frankly, sometimes he just says something stupid) ... and it's never long before she doesn't want to here me be rational and factual ... because the MERE pointing out of facts highlights that she's been misled by her media sources.

5 posted on 02/26/2017 5:25:22 PM PST by tinyowl (A is A)
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What do you define as “fake news”?
- It varies, but “news” that relies on innuendo with no facts, such as the Russian hacking claims, is fake news.
- News reported to support an agenda, such as the sympathetic reports on illegals whose lives are “being disrupted” are fake news.
- NPR is the height of fake news, at least in terms of what I hear (captive audience when riding with my wife): in a typical hour, every story will be either pro-trans, pro-gay, pro-illegal, pro-Obamacare, pro-Muslim, anti-Israel, or anti-Trump, without exception.

What spurred you to use the accusation of “fake news” in your posts?
It is important to distinguish reports that should be accepted, at least in terms of their facts, from those that should be questioned in every respect.

What news sources do you trust?
None. I’m not at the “trust but verify” level with even one news source. I evaluate each news report individually to see if it should be trusted.


6 posted on 02/26/2017 5:30:17 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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To: EveningStar

This kind of headline and lede: http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3529377/posts


7 posted on 02/26/2017 5:30:40 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: EveningStar
"Fake News" was not an item until Pizzagate became an item.

The lamestreamers got the message from their bosses that they had to get everyone to watch out for "fake news" that just might lead people to know the truth about all the human (sex) traffickers within their midst.

Nuff said.

8 posted on 02/26/2017 5:32:59 PM PST by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: EveningStar



Happy now, EveningStar?
Hope so!
God bless you and your beloved wife.

9 posted on 02/26/2017 5:38:49 PM PST by onyx (DONATE MONTHLY! JOIN Club 300!)
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Fake news is what the russians call disinformation.

I use the term only because it became popular thanks to the dems coining it. Before, I’d just say “don’t believe everything you read in the papers.” “Fake news” takes less space.

I don’t believe anyone. I am a paranoid freak. I depend on critical thinking and what I believe is good principled judgment.


10 posted on 02/26/2017 5:44:11 PM PST by fruser1
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To: EveningStar
What news sources do you trust?

Objection. Assumes facts not in evidence.

13 posted on 02/26/2017 6:56:48 PM PST by PAR35
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To: EveningStar

Almost everything from the Ministry of Propaganda is fake news in one way or another. Even if they present some factual information, they twist the presentation to fit their agenda.

The best example is their coverage of illegal aliens.
They never use the correct term and they always use euphemisms like undocumented immigrant.
Immigrants earn that title by applying in their home country, paying their fees, waiting their turn and complying with the laws.
Whenever an illegal alien is arrested, they always refer to them as being from wherever they happen to be living currently and hide the fact that they are illegal aliens.
Lately they have been inundating us with stories of the fear illegal aliens have of being returned to their own countries as if we have no right to have laws and enforce them.
They knew they were breaking in when they did.
Almost all of the media, including Fox News, has been propagandizing the public to accept the illegal alien inundation as a fait accompli that we have no choice but to accept and abandon the rule of law and surrender our country with amnesty.


15 posted on 02/26/2017 7:12:05 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: EveningStar

Celebrity tweets about politics are never newsworthy, regardless of what Facebook says.

Weekly polls outside of election season are not newsworthy.

Gotcha journalalism is not newsworthy.

Lies by omission are fake news.

Manufactured quotes and scandals are fake news.

Hashtags are not newsworthy.

Online petitions are not newsworthy.

DNC talking points are fake news.


16 posted on 02/26/2017 8:14:33 PM PST by a fool in paradise (patriots win, Communists and Socialist Just-Us Warriors lose)
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To: EveningStar

I saw this thread last night. Didn’t have time to comment then, but will give you my two cents now.

Fake News can actually be true and factual. But with an agenda to deceive and mislead.

For example. There have been more than a few stories in the press of American citizens selling out and moving to a foreign country. Because Trump won the election. Is this true? Are people really that stupid that this could happen?

Sure.

But it takes an irresponsible “Fake News” media to sniff out these idiots and make a story out of it.


19 posted on 02/27/2017 7:39:21 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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