MO: Override of Gun Reform Veto Likely

Gun Watch ^ | 1 August, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

On May 13, 2016, the Missouri legislature passed an omnibus gun legislation reform bill, SB 656.  It was the last day of the session.  While widely heralded as a permitless or "Constitutional" carry bill, there were several other notable features.  From the NRA-ILA:

• Recognize Missourians right to Constitutional/Permitless Carry where open carry is not prohibited
• Expand Missouri’s current Stand your Ground laws 
• Expand Castle Doctrine protections for anyone legally allowed into your home, vehicle, business and property
• Specify that except for credit card fees incurred, no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits
• Implement 10, 20 and 50 year options for non-reciprocity issued permits
• Allow components of firearm training for RTC permits to be online
  Governor Nixon vetoed SB 656 on June 27, on the last day that it was expected for him to do so.  The chances for a veto override are very good.  Two years ago, another omnibus firearms law reform bill was also vetoed.  It was numbered SB 656.  The legislature overrode that veto on September 11th 2014.
  
  The near certain Democrat candidate for the governorship has recognized that reality.  He says that he would have signed SB 656, and that it is a good reform bill. From kansascity.com:
  

  Missouri Democrats face an uphill fight to sustain Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill eliminating training requirements to carry a concealed firearm.
  
  Same goes for another bill Nixon vetoed that would require voters to provide a government-issued photo ID before being allowed to cast a ballot.
  
  Complicating their efforts is the fact that their all-but-certain nominee for governor supports both bills.
  
  Attorney General Chris Koster, who faces only token opposition in the Aug. 2 Democratic primary to replace term-limited Nixon, said he saw no reason to veto the wide-ranging gun bill.

  Chris Koster, running as a pro-Second Amendment, pro-union Democrat, may have a chance against the eventual Republican opponent.  It is an uphill battle in this "outsider" election.
  
  November will tell us.  I have said that if the Democrats would truly embrace the Second Amendment, they would win many more elections.  People who are passionate about protecting the rights of an armed population outnumber those who wish the population disarmed many times over.  50 years ago, serious support for the Second Amendment was a popular Democrat position.  If the Democrats lose this November, it may become popular with them again.
  
  Missouri will join 10 other states that have restored permitless carry, if the legislature overrides the veto.  That will be the largest number of permitless or "Constitutional" carry states since the 1920s.  From 1900 through 1930, there was a wave of trendy bans on the concealed carry of weapons, coinciding with a massive influx of immigrants, the end of the frontier, growing urbanization, and the rise of the "progressive" movement coupled with a reinvigorated KKK and prohibition. Vermont was the only state to survive the wave, when its supreme court held that a permit to carry a concealed weapon was unconstitutional. That wave followed an earlier spate of laws against concealed carry in the former slave states after the Civil War.
  
   Idaho, Mississippi and West Virginia that have passed similar legislation in 2016. The other "Constitutional" carry states are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Kansas, Maine, Vermont, and Wyoming.
  
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[marktwain]

A veto override looks very likely for September. Depending on definitions and how they are counted, Missouri will be either the 10th (not counting Montana or Arkansas) or 12th permitless or "Constitutional" carry state.

I figure MO will be the 11th, counting AR, but not MT.

I figure that Oklahoma

[Balding_Eagle]

I have said that if the Democrats would truly embrace the Second Amendment, they would win many more elections.

In order to embrace the Second Amendment they would have to have an honest and candid attitude.

In other words, they would no longer be Democrats.

[Blood of Tyrants]

It’s not exactly constitutional carry if you are still required to have a permit for concealed carry.

[longtermmemmory]

one step at a time.

after this you eliminate the permitting requirement as a budget cutting measure.

[marktwain]

What state are you referring to?

The Missouri bill will not require a permit for concealed carry, at least not in the vast majority of places.

There are always a few places where people are not generally allowed to carry weapons, such as prisons or mental hospitals.

[DCBryan1]

I'm in AR and I wouldn't consider us a "CC" carry state. 17 of 75 county prosecutors say that Act 746 doesn't say open carry is legal (even though the text DOES!) Anyways, a half dozen citizens have been arrested for "disorderly conduct" when they open carry.

The AG has NOT written a letter that gives her opinion yet, and we have a vague "on a journey" clause. Yes we have open carry, legally, but good luck and have some money in the bank or an attorney on standby if you get in some areas.

[donozark]

Nixon crapped in Koster’s foxhole. Republican candidate for Governor, Eric Greitens will run with this thing. Having watched most of this debate in Jeff City, every black Democrat legislator was opposed to Constitutional Carry. Most Dems were as well. Most Republicans in favor.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The article states:

“Specify that except for credit card fees incurred, no additional fee beyond $100 may be charged to process concealed carry permits and allows military members extra time to renew their permits”

Sounds like permits will be required for concealed carry.

[marktwain]

Nope. A permit is allowed for, but it is not required.

As with all states that have instituted Constitutional Carry, Missouri will maintain its carry permit system for those who want a permit.

There are several good reasons to want a permit. It allows you to bypass the NICS instant check system. Most permits are recognized by numerous other states. Some states allow people with a permit to carry in a few places that you may not carry without a permit.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

I’m not fond of the idea of listing my name and address on a government gun list.

[Blood of Tyrants]

So the permit basically allows you to carry in other states that have reciprocity agreements with Missouri.

[JimRed]

“May issue” in New Jersey is a laugh. They “may” issue you a carry permit, but you must have a “justifiable need to carry a handgun.” Unless you are “connected” or in law enforcement, you are told you don’t need it.

Any permit, registration or other requirement is a clear violation of the right recognized in the second amendment, anyway.

[JimRed]

Having watched most of this debate in Jeff City, every black Democrat legislator was opposed to Constitutional Carry.

Too many potential victims carrying would endanger too many of their homies?

[marktwain]

When your philosophy is that the people you “represent” are idiots who cannot make their own decisions, preventing them from being armed is a no-brainer.

[fungoking]

Sadly, we don’t have a republican running for governor this year. A pro life “former” democrat got 1/3 of the vote to win the primary.