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James Madison’s Warning Against Federal Meddling in Local Schools: General Welfare Clause Revisited
The Coach's Team ^ | 8/7/16 | KrisAnne Hall

Posted on 08/07/2016 8:36:48 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax

According to the father of the Constitution the powers delegated to the central government “are few and defined and those that remain in the States are numerous and indefinite.” Federalist Papers #45

Madison also explained that those powers are “reserved to external objects” of “war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce.” He stated that the central government’s power to tax is intended to be limited to those powers. Fed #45

Madison clarified the meaning of the often-abused “clauses” in 1792 during the Cod Fishery Bill debate. Specifically, that the General Welfare, Necessary and Proper, Commerce, and Tax and Spend clauses were not powers themselves but descriptions of the purposes of those limited and enumerated powers already mentioned.

The General Welfare clause, he explains, was added to describe the purpose of the limited powers being delegated to the central government, i.e. so the central government could use those powers for the “general welfare” of the union, rather than for the benefit of one State over the other. The debates make it crystal clear that this is not a blanket power to “do anything you can think of” to promote the so-called general welfare. It is in fact a limitation to direct that the power be wielded equitably.

In this debate Madison also warns of the consequences of interpreting this clause as a general boilerplate power, rather than a description of the intent that the limited powers granted the Federal Government be employed to the general benefit of the entire union.

It is in this brief warning that James Madison prophesied the coming abuses of power as exercised by a corrupt federal government.

He said:

“for if the clause in question really authorizes Congress to do whatever they think fit, provided it be for the general welfare, of which they are to...

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TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: constitution; deptofeducation; education; jamesmadison

1 posted on 08/07/2016 8:36:48 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

yea and RICO was to used only against the Mafia


2 posted on 08/07/2016 8:40:07 AM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Oldpuppymax

We really need a constitutional amendment that prohibits the federal government from attaching strings to grants to the states.

As it is now: Here’s ten thousand dollars for your school. But you must follow Michelle’s food guidelines.

How it should be: Here’s ten thousand dollars for your school.

Even better: Your local school is none of our business, one way or the other.


3 posted on 08/07/2016 8:43:37 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Good article. Thanks. It’s weird, the liberals in government LOVE to tell us about the “dangers” of religion. Religion can’t hold a candle to the dangers of governments. The Founding Fathers understood that the government they were creating would, more than likely, eventually become an enemy of the people. All governments, regardless of the label we place on them, can become dangerous to the people that they rule over. IMHO.


4 posted on 08/07/2016 8:57:26 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Let's Make Our Government and Founding Documents Great Again!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
The question is this: Where is such negligence leading us? What kind of government are we creating? Into what are we transmuting?

The answer is - look at Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia, or even Venezuela to get the general outline of our future.

5 posted on 08/07/2016 9:05:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Oldpuppymax

Madison nails it.

The father of the Constitution knew exactly what might go wrong and exactly how the unscrupulous would do it. And they have screwed it up, exactly as he predicted.

Now, how do we get back on course?


6 posted on 08/07/2016 9:23:34 AM PDT by DNME (The only solution to a BAD GUY with a gun is a GOOD GUY with a gun.)
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To: Oldpuppymax

That’s how schools wound up with the disastrous Commie Core. It was a carrot held out to them. If schools accepted Commie Core, they got big grants. Scary how the feds can extend their octopus reach by dangling some bucks before money-starved school districts.


7 posted on 08/07/2016 9:26:25 AM PDT by EinNYC
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And they took the Bucks they dangled from those (now) money-starved districts in the first place.


8 posted on 08/07/2016 9:31:48 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (As always, /s is implicitly assumed. Unless explicitly labled /not s. Saves keystrokes.)
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To: Oldpuppymax; Pharmboy; Doctor Raoul; indcons; Chani; thefactor; blam; aculeus; ELS; mainepatsfan; ..
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Recessional of the Sons of the American Revolution:
“Until we meet again, let us remember our obligations to our
forefathers who gave us our Constitution, the Bill of Rights,
an independent Supreme Court and a nation of free men.”

9 posted on 08/07/2016 9:56:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("You can't fake good kids.")
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Note that Thomas Jefferson had indicated that the states would need to amend the Constitution to give Congress the power to regulate, tax and spend for the purpose of INTRAstate schooling.
“The great mass of the articles on which impost is paid is foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them. Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of federal powers [emphases added] .” —Thomas Jefferson: 6th Annual Message, 1806.

But since the states have never amended the Constitution to give Congress such powers, it remains that the feds have no constitutional authority to interfere with intrastate schooling.

The constitutionally powerful states would find much more revenues to spend on public schooling if they eliminated funding from the unconstitutional middleman, the corrupt, constitutionally-humbled federal government, by growing some and stopping the feds from stealing state revenues by means of unconstitutional federal taxes.

10 posted on 08/07/2016 10:25:53 AM PDT by Amendment10
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The constitutionally powerful states would find much more revenues to spend on public schooling i...
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What is needed is complete separation of school and state (on **all**levels).

Government education is a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination for the student and the taxpayers who are forced to fund it.. It can never be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral in content or consequences.

11 posted on 08/07/2016 11:02:35 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Leaning Right

You missed the point entirely.

School is not an enumerated power of the Fed.


12 posted on 08/07/2016 12:38:17 PM PDT by TheNext (Hillary Hurts Children & Women)
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To: DNME
<>Now, how do we get back on course?<>

Through Article V.

Convention of States.

13 posted on 08/07/2016 12:42:26 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
All governments, regardless of the label we place on them, can become dangerous to the people that they rule over.
SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others. - Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)


14 posted on 08/08/2016 5:57:16 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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