Posted on 07/07/2016 7:32:13 AM PDT by WayneDupreeShow
This is not good, this is not good at all. I really don't want to engage this except to make a few points.
I am sure the cops are going to say he was reaching for his gun. And it is hard to tell whether he was, or not, by the videos I have seen. But what I don't understand is why did it get to the point that he was being combative with the cops? You NEVER escalate any situation with the cops or you may end up a dead man. And what does it matter at this point if he was right or not? He's dead. Did he save his honor by resisting what he believed to be a false arrest? Was he a real man to stand up for his rights? That is why we have courts.
I am very sympathetic to the situation and to him. I hate abuse of power and I post stuff about it all the time on my Facebook. But there is a huge difference between what is right and wrong, vs acting in wisdom or foolishness. He may be 100 percent right, but acted as a fool. The cops can be guilty as sin--and from the looks of things, they probably are--but the man is still dead. That isn't going to get his life back.
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I can't see how he can be considered a threat when one officer has him "pinned" by his ankles, while the other officer is pinning his upper torso pinned down. That's where I break with everyone blaming that he owed child support as a reason to shoot him. That's ridiculous!
From CBS News:
Disturbing new video has surfaced in the police killing of a black man who authorities say had a gun when he was shot on the pavement outside a convenience store.Here is the news report:The shooting death of Alton Sterling is being investigated by federal authorities.
Sterling, 37, was confronted by police and shot on Tuesday after an anonymous caller said he had threatened someone with a gun outside the store, where he was selling homemade CDs, authorities said.
In the video, filmed by store owner Abdullah Muflahi, officers are seen pinning Sterling to the ground. Officers can be heard saying “You [expletive] move, I swear to God,” and shouting, “Gun!” before shots ring out.
Sterling can be seen bleeding from the chest on the ground.
Muflahi told CBS Baton Rouge affiliate WAFB-TV the first officer used a Taser on Sterling and the second officer tackled him. Muflahi said that, as Sterling fought to get the officer off him, the first officer shot him “four to six times.”
The owner said Sterling didn’t have a gun in his hand at the time but he saw officers remove a gun from Sterling’s pocket after the shooting.
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That is my 2¢ and I don't want any of my cop friends telling me the cops were right here. I blame their training which makes them see too many situations are potential lethal threats and justifiable shooting in too many instances.
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These cops will probably be found justified and THAT is why the system is wrong. The "rules of engagement" need to CHANGE. It's not really a racial thing (generally). It's police training seeing people as enemies rather than police seeing themselves as public servants protecting people's civil rights. They have it backwards.
I might get roasted for saying this: But I sometimes wonder why people can't cooperate with the police officers. These things don't need to happen like this. I feel so bad watching what happened to Alton in that video and if I was there I would have told him to "please dude stop and fight it out in the court system."
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“Two guys couldn’t handle him with their fists and a taser or baton?”
Two gals probably couldn’t. (Well, maybe with the taser but maybe not.) And you can’t have the guys doing stuff the gals couldn’t. Looks bad for affirmative action/diversity.
Which of the mentioned crimes in Louisiana are punishable by death without due process?
Cops will get a paid vacation and then be let off scott free for this murder.
After listening to the local NAACP president scream, I wonder how loud he screams every weekend when blacks kill blacks, whites, hispanics? Black Lives Matter is nothing more than an anti cop group pissed off that so many black men get arrested, not at all worried about their extreme crime rate that causes those arrests. I hate this for the cops!
“He likely BROKE a GUN LAW.”
So, you advocate the police executing all people who they think may be breaking a gun law?
>>I still have to file this under my Whogivesaflingratsass file. Small wonder that cops are giving the cities back to the animals.
And the spiking violent crime stats in major cities seem to reflect this. #BLM indeed.
he had a permit.
I expect more out of the cops as we pay their salaries, and in order to have the job, they must take an oath to uphold the Constitution.
To the best of your ability (I know it’s difficult to see), focus on the man’s right arm. He was clearly reaching for his pocket while he was on the ground. The cops told him to stop, and he continued. Does he have to get a shot off before the cops are allowed to respond?
It may have been a bad arrest but if blacks are going to play the racist card it is going to further divide this country.
This video does indeed look damning, but all it takes is a hand in a pocket and a flick of a wrist and a person that is on top can wind up with bullets in their torso.
I want to know more about the situation, but there is little doubt on its face this indeed looks bad for the police.
It won’t matter what the reality is though, as perception is all that is needed in the court of public opinion.
I do agree being combative with police is never a good move EVER.
Sadly we live in a time where folks have little respect for the police and police in turn are conditioned to presume the worst in every situation because of this. Sadly this leads to a lot of bad things across the board.
The one where you resist an armed authorities plain commands to STOP and continue to fight with them on the ground struggling to subdue you.
If you dont comply, you WILL BE made to comply.
How else could it have ended and us still be talking about it?
You do anything other than what a cop tells you to do, there is a great chance it will end badly. It doesn’t matter how “good” of a person you are, they are trained to deal with filth....and survive. Don’t try to explain what is going on. Comply, comply, comply. Don’t tell them what you are going to do...do what they tell you to do. Nothing more, nothing less.
Don’t matter much what your skin color is, blood is red.
Oh, and don’t be standing out front of a store selling CD’s illegally branishing a weapon. The cops knew he was armed and dangerous going in.
“Sorry, I blame the perp for resisting. This would never have happened if he had just obeyed the officers from the get-go. He is responsible for his death. “
So, obey or die?? Cops are executioners??
No, Right to innocence until proven guilty and nothing else. Doesn’t the last 4 false charges mean anything?
I seem to recall an incident in a parking lot for, IIRC, Costco where multiple cops were shouting conflicting orders.
How exactly does one comply with both Don't move!
and Get on the ground!
?
Your analysis is harsh but lucid.
Your analysis is harsh but lucid.
Yes.
Situational awareness and EXTREME AVOIDANCE of LEO is paramount.
Preparing to move far out into the hinterlands myself.
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