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Paul Ryan's "flexibility" (aka "betrayal") on gun control compromise
Ammoland ^ | October 23, 2015 | Tim Macy

Posted on 06/16/2016 12:24:50 PM PDT by Javeth

As I warned you in a previous alert, Rep. Paul Ryan is pro-amnesty (giving the franchise to millions of anti-gun voters), and he has a record of compromising gun rights.

For example, Ryan voted for the Thompson-King amendment last year — an anti-gun amendment that would add an additional $19.5 million to pay states to turn in more names to the federal gun-ban (NICS) list.

More names into the NICS system? You mean like adding more law-abiding veterans and senior citizens?

These Americans have done nothing wrong, other than choosing to live in a country that wants to strip them of their constitutional rights, merely because they’ve consulted a psychiatrist or are suffering from typical ailments related to old age.

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If they go along with Paul Ryan, they will sign their own death warrant at the hands of Paul Ryan’s loyal lieutenants. Remember, Ryan has not even denounced the Chamber of Commerce and John Boehner’s outside PAC who together are trying to purge the House of conservatives.


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; amnesty; banglist; congress; diabn; guncontrol; paulnehlen; paulryan; republicans; rino; ryan; secondamendment; wisconsin
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To: Javeth

Paul Ryan has no excuse, except to admit that he dropped his prison slacks and became the anti-gun crowd’s, uh, ‘stitch’.

He is a traitor to the TEA Party, and to me, as an individual American.

This might sound criminal, but it is only an opinion.

I do not think that there are enough Americans with enough guts, to actually put the traitorous folks in Washington, D.C., upon the limbs of The Liberty Tree, as it is depicted by this retailer:

http://www.gadsdenandculpeper.com/black-van-tree-longsleeve.html


21 posted on 06/16/2016 12:49:33 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Terry L Smith
Not to mention, of course, that ORLANDO WAS NOT A GUN CONTROL ISSUE!!!

And that's all these bozos are talking about.

My head's about to explode!

22 posted on 06/16/2016 12:58:46 PM PDT by daler
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To: Javeth

Very well written. And on the mark.

I had NO IDEA about Switzerland!!

I’m not well traveled, and envious :)

On a serious note, the elite have eaten the constitution and spit it out.

I hope we can recover.


23 posted on 06/16/2016 1:00:01 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Javeth

Why did people ever consider Ryan a conservative?


24 posted on 06/16/2016 1:03:05 PM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: timestax
I'll second that!

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25 posted on 06/16/2016 1:04:53 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Zenjitsuman

Anyone see the video footage of Ryan laughing by at Trump’s saying that he will “go it alone”. Adding “you can’t make this stuff up”.


26 posted on 06/16/2016 1:13:17 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Javeth
"These Americans have done nothing wrong, other than choosing to live in a country that wants to strip them of their constitutional rights, merely because they’ve consulted a psychiatrist or are suffering from typical ailments related to old age. "

I'm a crazy gun nut and right-wing extremist.

But even I know that quote is a lie designed to inflame the ignorant.

27 posted on 06/16/2016 1:14:12 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Javeth

This is how he and McConnell “get even” with the American people for supporting Trump.

I can guarantee that’s what in his pointy little head.


28 posted on 06/16/2016 1:16:51 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: daler

It has been the Democratic party’s ‘midinight confessions’ to wrest away from American citizens, the Constitutional right to own firearms, since 1968.

In their ‘confessions’, it is their desire to get EVERYBODY on the plantation, under their brand of ‘care’.


29 posted on 06/16/2016 1:21:15 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Javeth

So far I have only donated $100 since I am retired and living on my Social Insecurity, among other sources of course.


30 posted on 06/16/2016 1:29:20 PM PDT by HomerBohn (Liberals and Slinkys: Good for nothing but make you smile as you shove them down the stairs.)
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To: Javeth

tl;dr

Shaking fist at the screen. Do nothing beyond that.

well....ok?


31 posted on 06/16/2016 1:35:07 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: dp0622

Yeah I’ve been pleasantly surprised by my trips to Europe how conservative they are on many issues compared to the US, and by the gun rights policies in a surprisingly large portion of the continent. It’s a detailed policy mix and there’s a lot of misinformation on this side of the Atlantic that only gets cleared up when you go there, and what you find is that most of Europe is a tough-call to peg on the US ideological scale. It’s safe to say that almost all of Europe is much more conservative on immigration, identity and culture issues than the US— virtually every European country now has a strong nationalist party with real opwer having real effects, both by pressuring the other parties and holding seats themselves— the AfD is regularly humiliating Merkel in Germany, Nf is dominating in France, the Northern League is gaining opwer in Italy, such parties in Hungary and Austria are demolishing the establishments, Denmark’s nationalist party basically sets policy, there’s Geert in the Netherlands and his counterparts in Belgium, even in Finland and Sweden they’re mass expelling all the troublemaking Muslims and the Swedish nationalist party is far and away the most popular. I’ve talked to Swedes, Dutch and French and been very surprised at how frank even their urban yuppie types are about talking about all the problems caused by Muslim immigration and battling all the PC multiculturalist diversity nonsense in the media and academia, which is after all where the “right ideas” of policy are set— honestly things you’d never hear in the politically correct US and Britain, which are all PC all the time. The French and Belgians for example are kicking down the doors of “refugees” and then kicking them and their families out, even closing hundreds of mosques and deporting the imams and congregations. They don’t have any squeamishness about it.

Sadly Britain is imitating the US political correctness elites to its own doom— London now has a Muslim mayor who’s banning ads of women and pushing the country towards the burka and Shari’a Law, with other cities following. I’m not a poli-sci expert but something about the way England and America structure their voting systems makes it almost impossible for their own nationalist parties like the UKIP and BNP to gain any real power, whereas most of Europe, even in Scandinavia, the nationalists quickly gain control if the establishment elites start drinking the Kool-Aid stupidity that’s infected the US academia, MSM and political establishment.

Even on social policy the Euros (again outside of Britain) are often a lot more conservative. It’s easy to think of them as socialist, but in fact in Germany and France and Scandinavia, they’re very tough about welfare checks— when someone gets unemployed they do have government assistance to help someone get a job, but they expect people to work. They don’t have the crazy divorce courts and profiteers like the USA either, it’s all mediation + shared-custodianship there, they think the US and British system with rich divorce lawyers and crooked judges assigning these transfer payments is crazy because it discourages responsible people from marrying and having kids, so they have a more sensible way of handling it there. I guess they do tend to be more left-leaning on safety nets and economic protections but in ways that are often pretty subtle, it’s more about camaraderie and team effort, and making sure people can find a new job and have the money to spend rather than the globalist corporations. The unions in Germany don’t see the management as enemy, they’re actually pretty tough on their own workers if they slip up or demand freebies, it’s more about the unions making sure the good jobs don’t get offshored and working together with the managers. They may seem socialist on the surface, but even in Scandinavia they’re big on small business and start-ups.

And on gun rights— yeah, Switzerland is the most gun-friendly country on the planet, the country’s as explicit as any I’ve visited about how guns and knowing how to use them is essential to have a free society. And Scandinavia is surprising on this too, like I said they’re hard to peg, maybe liberal in some safety-net areas but they’re pretty solid on gun rights. Even the French, Italians, Germans and the North Sea and central-east Europe countries— their policies and their people “get” the need for lawful gun ownership. (Once again the UK is the worst of the lot— guns totally banned there, Big Brother TV cameras everywhere you look, it’s become exactly what Orwell warned about.) I know a lot of Americans and Canadians who got a visa and now work or got settled in Europe, they said it’s not that hard to do if you’re willing to work, many start in east Europe and then move, others just start up in Norway, Germany, Sweden, the Netherlands or France or wherever they’re going. And most of my expat friends there are gun owners. Switzerland’s a little harder to get a visa for— they’re pretty selective— but they talk people willing to work and contribute, and gun rights are taken as seriously there as anywhere I’ve seen.


32 posted on 06/16/2016 1:59:29 PM PDT by Javeth
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To: Javeth

This is astonishing! So it’s basically the US and UK that are destroying themselves through diversity nonsense.

Obama’s approval is at 50 percent, and that spells trouble.

Thanks for all that great information.

You know what, if this is the kind of country the majority wants, I can’t stop it.

I will work hard and am volunteering this election, but whatever will be, will be.

I’ve spent so much of life worrying and it NEVER helped a situation :) And I still became 48!!!

Lesson late but better than never.

Very nice chatting with you. I hope we do again.


33 posted on 06/16/2016 2:14:56 PM PDT by dp0622 (The only thing an upper crust conservative hates more than a liberal is a middle class conservative)
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To: Javeth

If this doesn’t wake up primary voters in his district nothing will.


34 posted on 06/16/2016 2:51:26 PM PDT by napscoordinator (Trump/Hunter, jr for President/Vice President 2016)
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To: dp0622; WENDLE; HomerBohn; SkyDancer; BenLurkin; Zenjitsuman; GraceG; joshua c; Terry L Smith; ...

BTW here is a very informative list of the most gun-friendly nations in the world: http://www.gunsandammo.com/network-topics/culture-politics-network/best-countries-gun-owners/

Again you can see the pleasant surprise here that much of Europe is very serious about protecting gun rights, including Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden and Finland) and of course Switzerland.
Unfortunately the list is a bit dated and I suspect we’d have to move the United States a lot farther down on this list now, even before that crooked tyrannical court all but banned the 2nd Amendment in our most populous state, creating a dangerous precedent that courts across the country can follow at their leisure. (And all the while our legislative petty tyrants in the Democratic party with Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton gut the Constitution in Congress, aided and abetted by spineless RINO quisling traitors like Paul Ryan, John McCain and Jeff Flake.)

As for other countries on the list, Panama is definitely a good inclusion, I might rank it even higher. South America’s a mixed bag though going in the right direction. Argentina is all in all fairly decent, the Argentines themselves admire and more and more trying to follow the Swiss tradition.
(The table at the bottom of the wiki is pretty decent on this, not perfect but gets the general outline right— https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation
again surprising but most of Europe is pretty solid here, ex. France, Italy, Poland, Hungary and Estonia all explicitly recognize and respect responsible gun ownership.

Chile’s a mixed bag, they’ve been pretty restrictive but moving in the right direction. The most interesting and promising example is probably Brazil. A lot of my own family now lives in Brazil so I hear a lot about what’s going on down there with constitutional rights, and in a lot of ways they’re a mirror image of the US on guns. Whereas Brazil used to have some of the most restrictive gun laws in the region, they soon realized that they simply weren’t working well and only the perps were getting the guns (hence the high crime rate in Sao Paulo). Happily Brazil is now moving steadiy towards supporting the right of lawful citizens to own guns, and there’s already evidence that the crime rate may be falling there as a result, one of the best refutations of the gun-grabbers. (A bit of background here, though again a bit dated—
http://www.as-coa.org/articles/explainer-gun-laws-latin-americas-six-largest-economies ).

The problem with interpreting Brazil’s stats is that it’s so uneven— the vast majority of Brazil is actually very very safe and much lower crime (not to mention much more beautiful women) that most American cities by a wide country-mile. Heck you’re much likely to get shot, mugged or beaten up in North America’s Democratically-controlled Third World failed mini-states like Memphis, Chicago, Detroit, Newark, Orlando, Flint, Los Angeles, New York, Phoenix even Houston and San Antonio (for most of the past decade) once they got Democrat mayors (gosh, what could possibly be the pattern here?). The main difference is that Sao Paulo’s favelas are very violent and the crime is basically concentrated there (and the Rio favelas to an extent), but outside of the few areas that nobody with any common sense would be stupid enough to go, Brazil is very safe. Especially in south Brazil, with its well educated eastern European, Japanese, Italian and German-descended population. So Brazil’s government finally got a clue and realized it made no sense to deprive the law-abiding vast majority of Brazil’s citizens of guns due to the out-lier status of the Sao Paulo favelas, and suddenly as more law-abiding citizens are armed, the thugs are having to think twice and crime rates are dropping.

As for Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador— it’s all over the place but my expat contacts down there say it’s not as bad or restrictive as it may seem on the surface. More a matter of having the right contacts in-country though.


35 posted on 06/16/2016 2:54:45 PM PDT by Javeth
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To: HomerBohn

#9 good idea


36 posted on 06/16/2016 2:59:45 PM PDT by ptsal
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To: Javeth

I don’t give a flip about other countries. We have the second amendment


37 posted on 06/16/2016 3:11:15 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster

At least we’re supposed to, though considering the aspiring little dictators in the Democratic Party combined with the meek and loathesome traitors in the RINO GOPe, I wonder if the powers that be even consider the Second Amendment to be in force anymore.


38 posted on 06/16/2016 3:25:38 PM PDT by Javeth
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To: Javeth

This is why WE must act


39 posted on 06/16/2016 3:29:10 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Javeth

bump for later


40 posted on 06/17/2016 4:38:46 AM PDT by sailor76 (GO TRUMP!!! Make America Great Again!)
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