Posted on 03/15/2016 7:56:54 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
>>>What good have politicians done in the last 100 years.
Not much that I can think of regarding the economy.
>>Now you think that a Trump is going to be the problem?
He wants more government control over the economy. Government taxes on the many to benefit the few. Politicians will decide who the few are.
You should agree with me on this point.
>>>Really? That’s you position? It doesn’t matter if America makes better autos at a lower cost?
Won’t matter to Japan.
>>>Their loss. You want to make it our loss as well.
It’s our loss when we engage in “free trade” with countries that don’t agree to the rules. What kind of idiot makes a deal with someone and then doesn’t care if the other party doesn’t honor their obligations?
>>>Sorry, FRiend this makes absolutely no economic sense.
We’re not victims, Japan is not preventing us from making better cars.
Who said they were? I didn’t.
>>>More bailouts, via TrumpEconomics will not help.
As I said the bigger issue is immigration. At the rate things our going the entire country will be like California in twenty years.
>>>What good have politicians done in the last 100 years.
Not much that I can think of regarding the economy
SO YOUR solution is Let these scum bag politicians keep destroying America.
See who these scumbags gope, world establishment are against and that is Trump ! why do you think these pigs feeding at the trough are against Trump? use your brain for once
Trade barriers hurt the country that raises them. It is effectively devaluating their currency and preventing their businesses from being more competitive.
>>>It’s our loss when we engage in “free trade” with countries that don’t agree to the rules.
If they wish to hurt their economies, threatening to hurt ours if they don’t stop is just silly.
Is Japan keeping GM from making higher quality autos at a lower price? Did the bailouts help the economy?
If you answer yes, then Trump is your guy. I don’t think so.
We are not victims of Japan.
>>>SO YOUR solution is Let these scum bag politicians keep destroying America.
I don’t think you read all of my reply.
My solution is not to let politicians increase their control over the economy as Trump advocates. That’s reason #1 that I oppose Trump’s economics.
I couldn’t care less why others oppose Trump. I oppose him for my own reasons. In this case, to prevent harm to the economy.
If you have some other argument for your position than what other’s think, please post.
>>>politicians have been increasing their control over the economy for 100 years, that’s all they’ve done.
If you object to that, why are you supporting Trump’s plan to increase it even more?
I don’t care what you say.
I know politicians have destroyed America and have America about to be thrown into the abyss of socialism.That’s what you and anyone that is against Trump is advocating the destruction of America and our living standards. . So go jump in the lake
I’m not an expert on economics. It’s not really my main focus right now. However let me ask you a question.
If America made slightly better and slightly cheaper cars than Japan, do you really think it would benefit Japan to allow the sale of those cars in their country which would destroy their car industry and cost Japan tens of thousands of good well paying jobs?
Trump is a politician.
>>>That’s what you and anyone that is against Trump is advocating the destruction of America and our living standards.
If Trump is successful in raising prices through tariffs, our standard of living will decrease greatly. Those who support Trump’s economic plan, advocate that.
>>I don’t care what you say.
Yes, I get that; seen it before. Perhaps, sometime, you can argue your position on its merits regardless. Rather than putting all faith in an individual.
Thanks for your reply and discussion.
Thanks very much for your thoughtful reply.
>>If America made slightly better and slightly cheaper cars than Japan, do you really think it would benefit Japan to allow the sale of those cars in their country which would destroy their car industry and cost Japan tens of thousands of good well paying jobs?
Japan would have a big competitive advantage in transportation costs to begin with. And if we look at their economy as a whole, the question is: If we (Japan) can greatly decrease the cost of transportation, will that help us compete in other areas? What will it do to our economy as a whole?
Looking at it from the U.S. view, if the cost of transportation greatly increased for individuals and businesses, would this improve the economy? No. And that is what a tariff on auto products from Japan would do.
Would it benefit U.S. auto manufacturers to increase the price of their competitors? Yes. At the cost of the rest of America. It’s what government and tariffs do: tax the many to benefit the few.
Second issue is: why do Americans *want* to buy Japanese cars instead of GM? Because they are more reliable - even though they are more expensive than Chevrolets.
What would change this? Better quality autos from G.M. Would increasing the price of GM’s competitors accomplish this? No, it would encourage them to do the opposite.
Government control doesn’t improve the economy. It does not improve our competitiveness or the quality of our products.
Rather than blame others, we really need to ask: Why doesn’t GM produce higher quality products? Why are their costs so high?
I think we know the answers.
I think it is important that Americans understand that economic freedom is essential to liberty. That private property and free enterprise are what distinguishes us from socialism and totalitarianism.
This freedom to choose in the marketplace has been a foundation of the conservative movement since its beginning. Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell were the main advocates and communicators of conservative economic principles.
I understand that economics is not a high priority or focus for you now. But, if you ever have the time to watch a bit, Friedman’s “Free to Choose” series is engaging and very well done:
http://www.freetochoose.tv/ftc80.php
>>>Japan would have a big competitive advantage in transportation costs to begin with.
I’m not sure. How expensive is it to ship cars from America to Japan if done in bulk? It costs something but compared to the overall price of a car?
>>>And if we look at their economy as a whole, the question is: If we (Japan) can greatly decrease the cost of transportation, will that help us compete in other areas? What will it do to our economy as a whole?
Aside from losing all those Japanese car jobs, the Japanese government would lose all the taxes from their paychecks and taxes from profits of the Japanese car industry.
>>>Looking at it from the U.S. view, if the cost of transportation greatly increased for individuals and businesses, would this improve the economy? No. And that is what a tariff on auto products from Japan would do.
Depends on how big the difference is. I lost track of how well or bad the US car industry is doing. Let’s pretend they can’t compete and go out of business. Is America going to be better off with tens of thousands more unemployed people collecting government assistance instead of paying taxes? Yes, they’ll be better off if they buy a car but they won’t be able to buy one if they’re unemployed.
>>>Would it benefit U.S. auto manufacturers to increase the price of their competitors? Yes. At the cost of the rest of America. It’s what government and tariffs do: tax the many to benefit the few.
This is correct. However, I doubt the American government wants tens of thousands more added to the unemployment line. All Americans will pay more taxes in order to provide welfare to those people and the government will be collecting less tax revenue because tens of thousand of people who were paying taxes won’t be paying anything. Plus, those American car companies were hopefully paying taxes on their profits so the government loses out on that too.
>>>Second issue is: why do Americans *want* to buy Japanese cars instead of GM? Because they are more reliable - even though they are more expensive than Chevrolets.
Oh I agree that the Japanese make good/better cars.
>>>What would change this? Better quality autos from G.M. Would increasing the price of GM’s competitors accomplish this? No, it would encourage them to do the opposite.
>>>Government control doesn’t improve the economy. It does not improve our competitiveness or the quality of our products.
Yes, but if Japan could buy cars a hundred dollars cheaper from America would that benefit offset all the costs of tens of thousands of newly unemployed former Japanese car workers?
>>>Rather than blame others, we really need to ask: Why doesn’t GM produce higher quality products? Why are their costs so high?
>>>I think we know the answers.
I know why as well.
>>>How expensive is it to ship cars from America to Japan if done in bulk?
More than not shipping them.
>> the Japanese government would lose all the taxes from their paychecks and taxes from profits of the Japanese car industry.
And if the whole of the economy benefited?
>>Let’s pretend they can’t compete and go out of business.
Let’s pretend we’re Americans and don’t need government protection.
>> Is America going to be better off with tens of thousands more unemployed people collecting government assistance instead of paying taxes? Yes, they’ll be better off if they buy a car but they won’t be able to buy one if they’re unemployed.
You want government figuring out which is which and who to tax and who to protect and how much protection is too much, not enough and who can buy how many cars and, oops, that’s not enough, so we need less tariffs, but we lost jobs, need to raise prices, but, oh, that’s too much, need more tariffs, but Alabama lost jobs, that’s ok because Michigan has more congressmen, so let’s tax the foreign spark plugs because that’s Montana’s problem and they don’t have lobbyists..
Do you see where it goes when government controls the economy? We’ve learned this lesson, yes? This is not what conservatives think is best for everyone.
>>>if Japan could buy cars a hundred dollars cheaper from America would that benefit offset all the costs of tens of thousands of newly unemployed former Japanese car workers?
We could debate this and bureaucrats could run reams of spreadsheets on it. And the commissar could issue his ruling on what the price of cars should be and how many will be produced for the worker.
Or we could have the freedom of each individual to choose.
FRiend, I realize I’m ragging you a bit and arguing extremes, but I sincerely hope I’ve made my point between freedom and more government control of the economy.
If you ever have time, you can start at the 15 minute mark and get the gist of it...
“America’s freedom and prosperity derive from the combination of the idea of human liberty in America’s Declaration of Independence with the idea of economic freedom in Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations. Friedman explains how markets and voluntary exchange organize activity and enable people to improve their lives.”
The Power of the Market (Free To Choose - 1980):
http://www.freetochoose.tv/program.php?id=ftc1980_1&series=ftc80
Like I said, economics is not my area of expertise and not my main concern right now. You sound sort of like a libertarian which is fine but even if you’re not this is the bigger issue.
The type of economics you support will ***NEVER*** take place in America if the country continues its current demographics trends which is why I’m more concerned with immigration and demographics than economic issues. This is not a criticism of you or your economic ideas, it’s just a fact of life.
Many libertarians have come to the same conclusion. If you aren’t already, I suggest you check out Stefan Molyneux’s Youtube channel. He is a libertarian philosopher who does excellent videos on a variety of topics.
https://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot
May I also suggest you check out this website which talks about these issues...
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/
Thanks much for your reply.
I am quite libertarian and I believe free enterprise is the best system resulting in the greatest standard of living. I oppose Trump on economics because of this.
>> I’m more concerned with immigration
Immigration is not the problem. America has had mass immigration before.
Again, we’re being sold a boogieman, we’re being told we’re victims of somebody else - Mexico in this case.
You cannot solve the problem if you don’t realize what the problem is.
You cannot solve the problem if you don’t realize what the problem is.
God protect Donald. He is our only voice against our corrupt government and the destruction of America by Muslim colonization as in Europe
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