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Vote For Trump, Go Broke, Or Die
The Market-Ticker ^ | March 3, 2016 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 03/03/2016 4:24:04 AM PST by SatinDoll

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To: SatinDoll
simply being able to shop across state lines would do wonders...

example:if you work for a company in PA but live in NY and that company has insurance out of PA that's legal

but if you work for yourself, you have to buy insurance from the state you live in, that's wrong

21 posted on 03/03/2016 4:55:31 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: Ancesthntr
" The biggest factor in the cost of medical care are insurance and drugs ....and government interference.
22 posted on 03/03/2016 5:07:37 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: beebuster2000

It does not matter what the plan is. If this group that love Trump thinks trump could actually say anything with a real thought but “its gonna be Huge” then he is a real thinking guy who is gonna turn it around for “Bubba”. They are going to be SO embarrassed someday to have put forth a candidate like him. And passed up a real conservative. Now we get Trump or Hillary. Pox on them!


23 posted on 03/03/2016 5:12:46 AM PST by carjic (Media and GOPe are making the only people I trust not electable)
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To: carjic

Pass up what “real conservative”?


24 posted on 03/03/2016 5:23:27 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: SatinDoll

The quotation had to do with allowing more free competition among drug companies, not necessarily with repealing Obamacare as a whole.

I will state, not merely imply, my opinion that Congress will never find the courage to do what is right for America.


25 posted on 03/03/2016 5:24:31 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: KGeorge

Anything that requires Congress to find the courage to do what is right won’t happen.


26 posted on 03/03/2016 5:28:39 AM PST by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: SatinDoll

Interesting. Socialists will give up control of 1/6 of the economy with their plan that potentially controls 5/6 of your life...and death. What will John Obamacare Roberts say to any variation on that theme.

HOORAY Trump

DISMANTLE


27 posted on 03/03/2016 5:28:53 AM PST by PGalt
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To: beebuster2000
You may want to do a little research on the issue. I'd start with Denninger’s book Leverage. We can easily get there.

Why can a dose of scorpion anti-venom cost $100 a vial in Mexico and $10,000 in Merica? Same with a 90 day course of Hep-C drugs that are $90,000 here and $1000 in India. exact same items mind you. The difference is the Government allows and promotes price fixing here. There should not be a sliding scale for pharmaceutical prices based on where you live in the world.

Another example is the Oklahoma SCenter, which began posting prices a few years ago. Their surgeons are not taking price cuts, but their model allows them to charge much less than traditional hospitals./> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/a-new-health-care-approach-dont-hide-the-price/?_r=0

“On NewChoiceHealth.com, which compares prices offered by different facilities in the same city, Smith’s prices are consistently the cheapest or near it in Oklahoma City. Several hospitals charge $17,200 for laparoscopic hernia repair — for which Smith charges $3,975. A gallbladder removal is $24,000 at some hospitals in the city; it’s $3,200 at the Surgery Center. His prices are better in part because ambulatory surgical centers are cheaper than hospitals (for many reasons), but also there’s a virtuous circle here. He can post his prices because they are good ones. And they are good because he’s chosen to compete on price”

28 posted on 03/03/2016 5:38:03 AM PST by zek157
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To: zek157
The post you respond to notes that drug costs are only 15 pct of health care costs and cutting them 80 pct cannot possibly lead to an 80 pct cut in overall costs... and you respond by noting that drug costs can be cut 80 pct. SMH

Again, it is irrelevant. That will barely make a 12 pct drop even if it comes through. 80 does not equal 12.

29 posted on 03/03/2016 5:43:11 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Teacher317

I also commented on OSC and what they are doing with surgical cost. They have been making money doing procedures for about 20% of what other hospitals charge.

Do yourself a favor and read up a little before you discount it wholesale.


30 posted on 03/03/2016 5:47:18 AM PST by zek157
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To: LS

Trump basically followed Karl Denninger’s advice and released the first real and substantive health care plan to come from our side. I was hoping he would do this. This plan is a game changer for the country if it is implemented.


31 posted on 03/03/2016 5:59:53 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: Sacajaweau

Nope, couldn’t find it, but he is pro-life and that is on his site whereas DT does not have any pro-life statements. He does have this in his healthcare policy.

“Finally, we need to reform our mental health programs and institutions in this country. Families, without the ability to get the information needed to help those who are ailing, are too often not given the tools to help their loved ones. There are promising reforms being developed in Congress that should receive bi-partisan support.”

What does that mean? Sounds pretty general in terms to me.


32 posted on 03/03/2016 6:00:01 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: SatinDoll

“...Just believe.” It sounds like a Disney commercial.

I can understand someone disagreeing with an idea, but how can you mock something that you obviously have no idea about the subject?


33 posted on 03/03/2016 6:29:50 AM PST by zek157
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To: SatinDoll

We were not on a path to reducing health care inflation before the ACA, so eliminating it is not going to magically make things cheaper. Trump’s website says that that would not be enough.


34 posted on 03/03/2016 6:33:08 AM PST by wideminded
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To: SatinDoll

He is going to open the markets to cheap foreign made clone drugs. How about Trump’s idea of making America great again by bring back manufacturing jobs? Is it okay to import aspirin but not electronics? You will be able to shop overseas for your medicine but you have to have your Ford made in the US? Is this what I’m hearing?


35 posted on 03/03/2016 6:34:21 AM PST by jstaff
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Agreed.

WE need to come up with the courage (or desperation) to throw every one of these traitors & leeches OUT.


36 posted on 03/03/2016 6:49:21 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: jstaff

Only if you have a whole lot of ignorance stuck in your ears.

This doesn’t mention cheap clone drugs. For many years, the pharma companies have been fleecing the people of this country while selling the same exact drugs elsewhere for a fraction of the cost. Allowing them to be imported from other countries (same drugs) would introduce free market forces that would stop the fleecing immediately. If prices needed to be raised to pay for R&D, the price increase would be spread evenly across the world and not just paid for on the backs of US citizens.

Discouraging the moving of American manufacturing to other countries is a completely different issue and any attempt to compare the two positions and imply some sort of hypocrisy is silly.


37 posted on 03/03/2016 7:18:53 AM PST by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: jstaff

Why not send Trump an email and ask him?

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump


38 posted on 03/03/2016 7:34:24 AM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: jstaff

The US taxpayers and patients subsidize - by paying full price — these other countries’ health care systems and patients.

Those nations that wag their fingers at us, lecturing us about how much US health care costs compared to theirs...we’re not only paying for their national defense, but for their health care.

Feel better now?


39 posted on 03/03/2016 9:06:06 AM PST by Dana1960
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To: mosaicwolf

” The biggest factor in the cost of medical care are insurance and drugs ....and government interference.
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Government interference is what CAUSES insurance and drugs to be so expensive (and I include malpractice insurance in this).


40 posted on 03/03/2016 1:54:29 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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