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So Post Debate, What Happened?
The Market-Ticker ^ | Jan.29, 2016 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 01/29/2016 9:43:39 AM PST by SatinDoll

Who won last night's debate?

Trump. And he wasn't there.

Who lost? Fox News, which led the **debate** with a cheap shot at Trump. Megyn did herself no favors in that regard, and she had better hope that nothing ever disrupts the media oligopoly (a losing bet, IMHO) as if it does she is going to find her best and highest calling in Nevada somewhat outside of Clark County.

The program Trump put together, with essentially zero notice, was very nice. It was the best political speechifying and rallying that I've seen since I have been sentient enough to pay attention to it. It was so because it was uplifting and yet not promotional for oneself; it was in fact selfless.

Trump instead took to praise other people, to uplift others, and instead of raising funds for himself and his political ambitions he managed to pop up somewhere north of $6 million for veterans.

Those organizations that preemptively decided they didn't want the money are fools. If they expected Trump to use this as a political polemic device, they were wrong. He did not, although he certainly could have. Instead he had a vet with a prosthetic leg give a nice little speech on what lifes like after serving ones nation and having one of your limbs removed as a consequence.

It was a particularly poignant reminder of two things, which our nation needs to see more of.

First, freedom is not free and those who volunteer for such duty sometimes come home in a box or missing parts of their body. For everyone who garfs about veterans **using** the nation for benefits such as the GI Bill and other privileges there are many who come home permanently damaged, at room temperature or who never return at all. If you want to argue over politics as relates to our military a good place to start is who you want in the left seat of power in America that will reduce the risk of our men and women in uniform being utilized in a fashion that results in these outcomes. Do you want someone who speaks out of both sides of ones mouth and repeatedly fails to bring peace (witness anyone named **Bush**, **Clinton** or **Obama**) or do you want someone the world is literally terrified to screw with because they know what will happen?

Millennials were not around when Reagan took office but they damn well ought to read history. There are many legitimate criticisms about Reagan, particularly on the economic front, but one thing is indisputable: He won big twice internationally without having to fire a single shot, drop a single bomb or get one American maimed or killed; first with Iran and the hostages (they folded before he even put his hand on the Bible) and then again with the USSR; his bet that they couldn't fiscally afford an arms race but that he could successfully goad them into economic and political self-destruction via one proved correct. Big balls are often seen as a liability but there are times that displaying them saves countless lives and even more maimed soldiers. Who is the one candidate to put that forward on the stage today?

There is only one, folks, and you know it.

The second is that big balls without grace, or worse, actual malice, is dangerous. Very dangerous. Using a system of laws to make money doesn't qualify as malice. Personal avarice and willful disregard of the law to the point of ignoring state secrets is another matter. So is playing games with American jobs and our economy for personal profit, something that all of those who stepped on that stage last night with Faux News support and promote.

Incidentally, so does Fox News itself, which is why they are terrified of Trump. These people literally want to see you impoverished to improve their own personal bottom line and wealth.

In asking the question of **what is wrong over there?** Trump has shined a spotlight on one of Washingtons best kept secrets: namely, Foxs role via its founder Rupert Murdoch in pushing an open borders agenda. The Trump campaign is a direct threat to Murdochs efforts to open Americas borders. Well concealed from virtually all reporting on Foxs treatment of Trump is the fact that Murdoch is the co-chair of what is arguably one of the most powerful immigration lobbying firms in country, the Partnership for a New American Economy (PNAE).

In addition to blanketing the country, media, and politicians with literature, advertisements, and a barrage of lobbyists pushing for open border immigration policies, the Partnership for A New American Economy (PNAE) was a prime lobbyist for one of the biggest open borders pushes in American history.

Oh, and it gets better -- Foxs VP of News and Washington managing editor is the father of Rubios Press Secretary. Ailes, Fox News' President, is strongly on board with this agenda as well.

Oh, and by the way, that view is shared by Bloomberg as well.

But of course it is. It's also shared by Zuckerberg, because it would allow him to fire thousands of high paid Americans and replace them with H1B visa holders from India, further feathering his own nest while screwing you blind.

This is not some random thought. It's systemic; Disney along with dozens of other firms have been engaged in this for decades, and they will continue for as long as you allow it.

Trump will stop it, first by enforcing existing immigration laws (something neither Democrat or Republican executives have done for the last 20 years) and then by using the bully pulpit of the Presidency to point out the economic and social costs to the American people, inciting them to demand changes in the laws that will restore immigration to its proper place in America.

Look folks, we are all immigrants in this nation unless you are a native American, and few (percentage wise) are. I was privileged to attend the naturalization ceremony of a good friend a few days ago, and it was quite the moving experience. Part of it included each petitioner saying a couple of sentences about who they were and how long they'd been here. Most had spent more than a decade pursing naturalization as Americans and they did it legally, through arduous process and procedure. That is the right way, and I was honored to watch 60-odd new American Citizens take the oath in Tallahassee at the federal courthouse.

Trump is not anti immigration; he is anti cheating and jumping the line. He is an immigrant and he knows it; so are family members. But every one of them in his lineage and family did it the right way.

Might Trump be a lying snake on both of these points?

Maybe.

But then again, maybe not. And as things stand right now if you have a desire to see either of those things become front and center in America, two points that will be central to halting and reversing the decay of this nation, there is only one candidate who says he will do these things.

All the rest are saying in plain English that they'll do the opposite.

How many more jobs do you want to lose and how many more of our American servicemen and women do you want to have missing legs -- or lives?

That is your choice folks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Politics
KEYWORDS: corruption; denninger; foxnews; illegalimmigration; murdoch; softballs4democrats; ticker
Open for comments.
1 posted on 01/29/2016 9:43:39 AM PST by SatinDoll
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To: SatinDoll

Great article! As usual when Trump takes a big gamble as he did yesterday there is a good chance that he will get a big payoff. And it looks like he won again at this point.


2 posted on 01/29/2016 9:52:26 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SatinDoll

I agree. Fox vindicated Trump last night. It was yet another debate childishly run by Baer, Kelly, and Wallace.

Both Fox News debates have been embarrassments.


3 posted on 01/29/2016 9:52:42 AM PST by marron
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To: marron
I agree. Fox vindicated Trump last night. It was yet another debate childishly run by Baer, Kelly, and Wallace.

Agreed.

4 posted on 01/29/2016 9:53:54 AM PST by 1Old Pro
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To: SatinDoll

“she is going to find her best and highest calling in Nevada somewhat outside of Clark County. “

Heh. wink, wink,nudge, nudge.


5 posted on 01/29/2016 9:58:54 AM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: fireman15

Audentes fortuna iuvat.


6 posted on 01/29/2016 10:01:26 AM PST by Salamander (I made friends with a lot of people in the danger zone...)
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To: SatinDoll

Good article. I like Karl Denninger anyway but this is pretty spot on IMO.


7 posted on 01/29/2016 10:08:12 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SatinDoll

stand for the Constitution of the United States of America!


8 posted on 01/29/2016 10:16:49 AM PST by midlander
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To: SatinDoll
I was also pleasantly surprised by two guys that I don't really care for: Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum. Yeah, they had little to lose by doing so, but they still said "no thanks" to what every one of the candidates knew was a s**t sandwich that Murdoch and/or Ailes prepared for Donald Trump. Interestingly, Fox was perfectly fine with serving said sandwich to the others, and the others weren't picky eaters.

As the son and the father of veterans, I'm a soft touch for such things, but this one was nicely done despite the short lead time. SGT Mr. niteowl77 Jr. may soon be involuntarily losing his military career "due to budget cuts," and I would like to see some Republican beat the PTB over the head with that outrage while pointing out (loudly) that we piss more than what is being "saved" down bottomless holes with abandon. (Did I mention that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell suck? No? Well, maybe later.)

Mr. niteowl77

9 posted on 01/29/2016 10:21:36 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: SatinDoll

Excellent. I love Karl Denninger. As usual, he is spot on.


10 posted on 01/29/2016 10:33:01 AM PST by KGeorge
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To: niteowl77

Now, now you are being mean to Speaker Rumpswab and Senator Bitch.

Anyway, Karl should not insult MeMeMeMeMegan because her Pimpmasters in Riyadh won’t like it.


11 posted on 01/29/2016 10:37:23 AM PST by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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To: Rockpile
Now, now you are being mean to Speaker Rumpswab and Senator Bitch.

I guess I did come off as mean, but at least I didn't mention that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell suck.

Mr. niteowl77

12 posted on 01/29/2016 10:44:29 AM PST by niteowl77
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To: niteowl77

“”SGT Mr. niteowl77 Jr. may soon be involuntarily losing his military career “due to budget cuts,” and I would like to see some Republican beat the PTB over the head with that outrage while pointing out (loudly) that we piss more than what is being “saved” down bottomless holes with abandon.””

So many places to CUT expenditures - first place would be PERKS at the WH - including Air Force One and particularly VACATIONS. And certainly Valerie Jarrett’s SS protection.

Bet there’s a big expensive vacation planned for this last year - or perhaps lots of LITTLE expensive ones. Can’t think of any place they’ve haven’t already spent our money to visit - EXCEPT - the first lady said in 2011, her goal was to visit ALL the national parks in the US if they were to return to the WH..... Must have been a lie as they haven’t been to any in the second term. But, Oh! she was so sincere!!!

Hope your son is rescued from the “budget cuts”.. Remember years ago when professionals were hired for every problem under the sun? Private companies used to hire them to go into a company and identify problems. Cannot remember what they were called - EFFICIENCY EXPERTS - perhaps?

Remember the Grace Commission? Let’s have another one and REALLY identify waste and fraud and put an end to it. I still have my book with the recommendations - we could dust our copies off and send them to DC..


13 posted on 01/29/2016 10:54:17 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: niteowl77

Huckabee and Santorum were on the undercard debate, so could do both events with no trouble. Good for them, good for Trump, and good for the veterans.


14 posted on 01/29/2016 10:58:22 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: SatinDoll

Not one person changed their support, that’s what happened.


15 posted on 01/29/2016 11:12:10 AM PST by TexasCajun (#BlackViolenceMatters)
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To: SatinDoll

Karl is amazing. He understands that both parties are corrupt. He needs to realize though that their corruption is based upon their evil nature. Using the IRS to steal a reelection is pure evil. Using debate moderators to destroy candidates is pure evil. And unamerican I might add.


16 posted on 01/29/2016 11:15:59 AM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: TexasCajun

You are wrong. Many have switched to Trump. I have read their statements.


17 posted on 01/29/2016 12:03:01 PM PST by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE USA OF TWO USA CITIZENS)
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To: SatinDoll
Incidentally, so does Fox News itself, which is why they are terrified of Trump. These people literally want to see you impoverished to improve their own personal bottom line and wealth.
He is talking in terms of immigration and H1B visas, but I look at it differently as well: “No news is good news.” That is true because good news “isn’t news.”

Looked at that way, journalism profits by bad news. Journalism essentially is criticism and complaint. And what would you expect someone whose business is criticism and complaint to think about “It is not the critic who counts . . . The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds . . .?” It is only natural that the journalist would want to reject that, and like someone who says the opposite.

And the opposite of that is - wait for it - “You did’t build that.” The natural tendency of journalism - obvious in real-world practice to anyone willing to see - is socialism.

And whatever rogue tendencies individual journalists and organizations may have are efficiently ground down and rendered moot as Adam Smith

People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. - Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations
predicted (note that a newswire is nothing other than an unending virtual meeting of “People of the same trade.” And not for merriment and diversion, but precisely over the conduct of their mutual business).

18 posted on 01/30/2016 7:49:51 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion ('Liberalism' is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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To: SatinDoll

This is an excellent article.

Trump is our only hope. I personally owe him so much for shining the light on the media including fox. I am grateful to him for showing that we can fight our anti-Amerrican rulers without shedding the blood of my sons. I want freedom and I want a country. With borders.


19 posted on 01/30/2016 8:03:30 AM PST by Yaelle
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