Posted on 01/29/2016 1:14:14 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
After the Fox News-Google debate Megyn Kelly interviewed Ted Cruz. [7:40 Video begins with a 1:00 clip of the earlier debate]
Kelly continued to pursue the "amnesty" angle that she'd begun during the debate [starting at 3:41] - about his history on illegals, immigration and amnesty, but concedes:
Kelly: "I look at your record, a lot, to see: Did Ted Cruz really want legalization, or didn't he?"
"I think the record supports you - that you did not want it; it does."
"It really was a poison pill amendment."
Then there is back and forth where Kelly states that Cruz had said that he wanted the Gang of Eight bill to pass.
Sen. Cruz corrects her and states that he wants immigration reform to pass -- but he never said he wanted the Gang of Eignt bill to pass. [He directs everyone to see the 11-page, very very detailed immigration plan on website (linked in comment below)].
Cruz explains tactics: "When debating Democrats [Schumer] you use the language of Democrats to show their hypocrisy."
"Schumer talked about 'coming out of the shadows' but it wasn't about that."
"Chuck Schumer said, 'If there is no citizenship, there is no reform and we'll kill the whole thing.'"
Their interview ended this way:
Megyn Kelly: "The record supports you." [Cruz: "Anyone here illegally is permanently ineligible for citizenship."]
"It was a poison pill."
"You do have a consistent record on that; I will give you that; we did look back on it."
Our Plan
CRUZ PLAN TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION HIGHLIGHTS
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The "Poison Pill" that exposed the Democat's push for Documented Democrats and derailed the Gang of Eight's Amnesty Plan.
Amendment Text: S.Amdt.1322 - 113th Congress (2013-2014)
SA 1322. Mr. CRUZ submitted an amendment intended to be proposed by him to the bill S. 744, to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes; which was ordered to lie on the table; as follows:
On page 1076, strike line 20 and insert the following:
SEC. 2215. IMMIGRANT CATEGORIES INELIGIBLE FOR UNITED STATES CITIZENSHIP.
Notwithstanding any other provision of law, aliens granted registered provisional immigrant status under section 245B of the Immigration and Nationality Act, as added by section 2101, including aliens described in section 245D(b)(1) of such Act, and aliens granted blue card status under section 2211 are permanently ineligible to become naturalized citizens of the United States, except for aliens granted asylum pursuant to section 208 of such Act (8 U.S.C. 1158).
SEC. 2216. AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.
This is correct
He got an A rating from NumbersUSA.
Like Trump or not, he skipped Iowa because of the plants in the audience, and to let the attackers focus on Cruz, hoping to damage him among fence sitters.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/ted-cruz-immigration-record-216919
Dec 17, 2015:
“........Cruz says his amendment was a “poison pill” designed to doom the Gang of Eight reform package that Rubio co-authored.
So who’s actually correct? There are two big points to unpack.
First is whether Cruz’s amendment was indeed a “poison pill” meant to kill the immigration bill, which the Texas senator’s campaign now contends. That is unequivocally true, so point goes to Cruz.
Second is whether Cruz’s amendment signaled his true policy beliefs at the time. That’s significantly murkier and ultimately, may never be knowable.
Let’s start with the first point.
The bipartisan group of eight senators - including battle-tested veterans and relative newcomers like Rubio - painstakingly negotiated a delicate compromise in early 2013 that would overhaul every corner of the U.S. immigration system, including a 13-year pathway to citizenship for millions here illegally.
Fans and foes of the legislation, as well as observers at the time, knew the core bill couldn’t change too dramatically because that would upset that compromise, which not only had the backing of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate but also coalitions off the Hill, such as labor unions and the business lobby.
Cruz’s amendment - which called for stripping out a pathway to citizenship, but keeping a path for legalization - would have done precisely that.
The night before each Senate Judiciary Committee markup, senior Gang of Eight aides would huddle to scour through each of the amendments that were teed up for the following day, determining which proposals would be palatable and which would be unacceptable. This strategy was meant to ensure the core elements of the Gang of Eight deal would stay intact (the four members of the Gang who sat on the Judiciary Committee would vote in a bloc, usually with the rest of the committee Democrats, to vote down potential deal-killers).
“This one was one that clearly we all had to oppose because it went to the core of the deal,” recalled an aide to a Senate Democrat during the 2013 negotiations. “It could’ve unraveled the whole deal.”
Sure, Cruz himself never called it a “poison pill” at the time. But no senator refers to his own proposal as a poison pill, even if it plainly is. The Gang of Eight never considered Cruz as “gettable,” and it was well-known at the time that Cruz was never going to vote for the bill and was in fact, trying to kill it.
“Everyone was rolling their eyes and smirking when he said it would improve the bill,” said the aide. “I don’t think anybody took it seriously.”.........
Speaking of poison pills, Ted Cruz.
Donald Trump: Mean-Spirited GOP Won't Win Elections
"Republican Party will continue to lose presidential elections if it comes across as mean-spirited and unwelcoming toward people of color, Donald Trump tells Newsmax.
Whether intended or not, comments and policies of Mitt Romney and other Republican candidates during this election were seen by Hispanics and Asians as hostile to them, Trump says.
"Republicans didn't have anything going for them with respect to Latinos and with respect to Asians," the billionaire developer says.
"The Democrats didn't have a policy for dealing with illegal immigrants, but what they did have going for them is they weren't mean-spirited about it," Trump says. "They didn't know what the policy was, but what they were is they were kind."
Romney's solution of "self deportation" for illegal aliens made no sense and suggested that Republicans do not care about Hispanics in general, Trump says.
"He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal," Trump says. "It sounded as bad as it was, and he lost all of the Latino vote," Trump notes. "He lost the Asian vote. He lost everybody who is inspired to come into this country."
The GOP has to develop a comprehensive policy "to take care of this incredible problem that we have with respect to immigration, with respect to people wanting to be wonderful productive citizens of this country," Trump says.............
It seems to me it was a poison pill.
All the dems want are millions of new dem votes to replace all those voters that they killed off with abortion.
All the GOPee wanted were millions of law-pay wage-slaves... they care not whether a dem or repub wins an election...it all boils down to $$$ and an easy life for themselves with no thought of the impact on the regular folks :-(
Cruz done good on this.
Cruz: "So Donald Trump's position is once you deport them, it's what's called touchback. A lot of establishment Republicans had touchback," Cruz said in an interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. "Basically you make them fly back to their country for a minute, touch the ground, and then they come back with amnesty as citizens. Now, Donald is entitled to do that. He can advance that position, but he doesn't get to pretend that it's not amnesty if he's legalizing 12 million people [who are] here illegally."
"I would note at that time, right in the middle of the fight, Donald Trump was publicly supporting amnesty. He was supporting Marco Rubio's Dream Act," Cruz said. "He was criticizing Mitt Romney for being too tough on immigration. That's where Donald Trump was in 2013. Now, when he launched his campaign for president, suddenly he discovered illegal immigration was a problem." Source
“.....One of the most important tasks of the next president is to undo the damage at the U.S. Department of Justice after the Obama/Holder/Lynch debacle. As J. Christian Adams put it on PJ Media, “Cruz alone has an understanding of both the corrosive and lawless policies of the last seven years as well as the complex task of restoring the rule of law.” Cruz, Adams wrote, “has an outsider’s zeal to reverse Obama’s lawlessness with the insider’s ability to overcome bureaucratic inertia.” Like Adams, I see Cruz as the outsider/insider combination necessary to deal with all the messes — including the intractable federal bureaucracy — facing the 45th President of the U.S.”.....
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/01/the_extraordinary_ted_cruz.html
I personally don’t buy that line, trump is supposed to be the big tough art of the deal stare ‘em down, cause ‘em to quake kind of guy. He was chased off by a 110 pound girl. BY A GIRL. Tough guy not.
Rick Santorum sold out the thing he had left, some integrity.
A short trip back in time:
October 2015:
".... In an interview with POLITICO on Tuesday, Santorum explained that he's had several unusual encounters with Trump over the years.
The first came in late 2011, after the real estate mogul had called him "a loser" on Fox News. Santorum, then making his first bid for president, phoned Trump afterward to clear the air.
"I said, 'Well, I'd appreciate it if you don't call me a loser,'" Santorum recalled. "And he said, 'Well, but you're too conservative. You're just out there. You're just way conservative.' And the first thing he mentioned was pro-life. [TRUMP] said, 'you're too hard-core on pro-life, you're too hard-core on marriage. I don't know anyone who shares that opinion with you.'"....
That makes Rubio a liar.
It makes a lot of people liars.
Don’t forget this one from 08/2013: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/373145053482319872
And this one(turn up the volume): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vs2BxqhQ8Q
Yes, for the record I too wanted more context from the video as the clip was short. But the remarks were made to the press after his 6/29/15 speech to the City Club of Chicago, which was apparently the same day that Trump was fired from NBC. The press naturally had boatloads of coverage on his comments about being fired from NBC, but virtually no coverage(that I can find) of his comments about providing illegals a pathway to legalization.
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