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Was the South Ever Confederate, Anyway?
The Knoxville Mercury ^ | July 1, 2015 | Jack Neely, director, Knoxville History Project

Posted on 07/05/2015 11:52:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 07/05/2015 11:52:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good or Bad doesn’t enter into it.

The CFB simply was. And is.

Assigning a value to it is ridiculous.


2 posted on 07/05/2015 11:54:07 AM PDT by Tigerized (Your Personal Safety is Yours, and Yours Alone. Aim Small, Miss Small.)
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To: Tigerized

Just another carpetbagger trying to define us and tell us what we ought to do.


3 posted on 07/05/2015 11:59:22 AM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

War has a habit of putting people on sides they don’t want to be on.


4 posted on 07/05/2015 12:03:24 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The world map will be quite different come 20 January 2017.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are moments when I only half-jokingly refer to the civil war as the North’s Irish immigrants VS. the south’s Irish immigrants. I also refer to the space race as America’s captured German scientists VS. The Soviet Union’s captured German scientists.

CC


5 posted on 07/05/2015 12:13:31 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Sufficient unto the day are the troubles therof)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I pulled this gem out of this steaming pile of manure:

The Confederacy was a brief experiment in a cobbled-together government offering more power to the states than the U.S. Constitution allowed,

LOL

6 posted on 07/05/2015 12:25:05 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ctdonath2

There were more copperheads in just Ohio than Unionist in east Tennessee.


7 posted on 07/05/2015 12:26:44 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is some potential hilarity here.

You know how the left is filled to the brim with apologetic for Islam, “the religion of peace”, in that “most Muslims are peaceful”?

The same applies to southerners during the Confederacy.

The entire South had about 9 million people, and only 1 million fought for the South. The other 8 million southerners, the vast majority, were thus “peaceful”.


8 posted on 07/05/2015 12:29:56 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: central_va
There were more copperheads in just Ohio than Unionist in east Tennessee.

Still are.

9 posted on 07/05/2015 12:33:21 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, this gentleman is brushing broad-stroke assertions about the South and the Confederacy based on his narrow research on folks from Eastern Tennessee?


10 posted on 07/05/2015 12:36:33 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uncle Remus and his tales of Br’er Rabbit, the whole “Song of the South” popularized in the Disney film, was something of a prettification and romantic gloss-over of the what made up much of “the rest of the story”, as it related to the daily lives of the “non-voting” residents of what was once known as “the Confederacy”.

The “South” had a pretty diverse population at the time, perhaps more so than any of the Northern states, as there was also a large and fairly well integrated Indian population (the Cherokee, the Creeks, the Choctaw, the Seminole, and the Chickasaw tribes), considered to be the “five civilized tribes”. And many of these contributed manpower to the war effort of the South, being excellent scouts and guerrilla fighters in the wilderness areas.

The North, on the other hand, treated many of the other Indian tribes rather shabbily, before and after the Civil War, relocating a number of tribes forcibly out of New York and Pennsylvania, and waging open warfare with almost every one of the Plains and Western tribes.

You know, the black slaves had it a lot less rough in most instances, even for the freed slaves after Reconstruction. While there may have been individual persecutions of blacks, there was nothing like the genocide that had been practiced against many of the Indians, as they were removed again and again to places remote from their ancestral homes.

And no, I am not Ward Churchill, or even Elizabeth Warren.


11 posted on 07/05/2015 12:38:18 PM PDT by alloysteel (If Stupidity got us into this mess, then why canÂ’t it get us out? - Will Rogers.)
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To: central_va
"The Confederacy was a brief experiment in a cobbled-together government offering more power to the states than the U.S. Constitution allowed, "

This guy is of the Knoxville History Project. That is just stupid. The south has been over run by carpetbaggers.

12 posted on 07/05/2015 12:41:04 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: central_va

I’d expect a little more elaboration out of a claim like this.

The Confederacy did have a bad vice of chattel slavery, as did much of the United States from which it carved itself out.

My personal take on one spiritual, some might metaphorize it as “karmic,” factor that doomed it: it was asking God to be free when it was refusing to allow that same favor to a large group of its residents (and to a much worse degree than Revolutionary era America). If hypothetically it had turned its slaves into freedmen at the same point as declaring independence, it might have found those men to be a boon, rather than a bane, to it.


13 posted on 07/05/2015 12:44:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: central_va

Allowed? The Constitution restricted. It did not allow. It restricted the power of the federal government. At least it used to. Now gay marriage and abortion have been ‘found’ in the constitution, and the bearing arms and free speech is no longer there, apparently.


14 posted on 07/05/2015 12:58:35 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it’s likely that people in the states west of the Appalachians were less likely to view the state as their “country” than those in the original 13 colonies. They had after all moved from one state to another, often several times, and didn’t consider themselves to have changed “countries” when they did. I know that’s true of Northerners like Lincoln and Grant, and I suspect it was true of many Southerners too.


15 posted on 07/05/2015 1:03:02 PM PDT by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If hypothetically it had turned its slaves into freedmen at the same point as declaring independence, it might have found those men to be a boon, rather than a bane, to it.

It would also have lost its reason for leaving.

16 posted on 07/05/2015 1:10:04 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s in the past; we have to live in the now! My great-great grandfather was a Rebel at Shiloh; then, my Daddy, an AMERICAN, went off to N. Africa in WWII, fought in combat in Italy & Germany, was hot on Hitler’s hind-end even as Hitler took the coward’s way out & committed suicide in Berlin rather than stand & take responsibility for what he had done to the world. That is how history works; eventually God has the last word.


17 posted on 07/05/2015 1:29:30 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One of the things that is true of the Civil War- it was more divisive than people think. The region of the Appalachian Mountains in the South(East Tennessee, Western NC, and SW VA) was largely Union in its sympathies, and often resisted the Confederate draft of 1862 by evasion or joining the Union army. There was a lot of fighting between local groups who favored one side or the other, and toward the end of the war a lot of chaos by armed men who served no side save their own. The Hatfield-McCoy feud is said to have some of its roots in the Civil War, for example. In any case, other than a few articles and the movie “Cold Mountain” it is not a well-known matter- largely glossed over because it doesn’t match a perfect blue-gray dichotomy.


18 posted on 07/05/2015 1:39:48 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: alloysteel

Don’t you think using the term “genocide” is a little harsh to describe the undeniably unfair treatment of native people? There was never any official policy of genocide as with the Nazi policy toward Jews, and it seems to me that conflating the two serves the leftist goal of discrediting the country and whites in general.


19 posted on 07/05/2015 2:01:11 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: alloysteel
You know, the black slaves had it a lot less rough in most instances, even for the freed slaves after Reconstruction.

Slave Narratives

20 posted on 07/05/2015 2:48:53 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (.)
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