OR: House Moves toward CCW Reciprocity

Gun Watch ^ | 2 May, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

Oregon is one of the most restrictive states for carry permit reciprocity.   It does not recognize any permits from any other state.  There are eight other states that are as restrictive.  They are Hawaii, California, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.    Most are the last hangers on to the old "may issue" permit system, where the right to carry is not just subject to fees, classes, background checks, and waiting for government permission, but is subject to some, often unelected,  bureaucrat's feelings and attitudes toward you and your lifestyle.   Rhode Island is the only other state listed as Shall Issue, and as restrictive of reciprocity as Oregon.

Oregon and Rhode Island are, by far, the "shall issue" states with the most restrictive reciprocity arrangement.  Some in Oregon are trying to change that to benefit people both inside and outside of the State who wish to exercise their second amendment rights.   From bendnewstoday.com:

House Bill 3093, which legalizes cross-state line carrying of a gun by those who have a license for it, passed the House in Salem Thursday. This bill would provide reciprocity for individuals from other states who also have a valid concealed handgun license (CHL) permit from another state to legally carry in Oregon, as well as provide for reciprocity for Oregon residents carrying in other states.

HB 3093(PDF) still has a long way to go to become law.  The next step will be a  Senate committee.  No one knows what Senate committee the bill will be assigned to.  Then it will go to the full Senate, and finally to the Governor for signature, if it is to pass.

Oregon is one of only seven states where both houses and the governorship are controlled by Democrats, a trifecta.   All seven Democrat trifecta states refuse to allow any reciprocity.   Because this bill passed 57-1, in a Democrat controlled House,  I wonder if it might actually become law.  Could it  overcome the Democrat predilection to pass, extend, or keep any restrictions on gun ownership and use, no matter how silly?

Oregon's lack of reciprocity has been an outlier for more than a decade.   Now that all 50 states have some form of carry permit, even if it is only "pro-forma" as in Hawaii, New Jersey, and Washington, D.C., there is even more pressure to reform the highly restrictive law.

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[marktwain]

A national reciprocity bill has the votes to pass. There are several versions.

If we get a Cruz administration, one will pass.

State officials cannot be prosecuted for refusing to fund or enforce a federal law, but they can be prosecuted for violating constitutional rights.

[Gaffer]

That graphic is prophetic. To me it illustrates the proliferation of rabid liberalism in this country after Reagan in the swaps from ‘formerly’ shall-issue to may-issue.

Some of the central state swap overs back and forth are indicative of the battle with liberals’ ushering in Obama and then getting way-laid in the form of outright vehemence to the likes of Obama and his ilk in the aftermath.

[Gaffer]

My bad. Misinterpreted some of the colors. Actually mostly a steady progression to shall-issue and some to unrestricted.. Actually a good thing. Mea Culpa.

[garyb]

I was amazed in watching the gif that the People's republic of Vermont has the least restrictive gun laws.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Vermont

The state of Vermont neither issues nor requires a permit to carry a weapon on one’s person, openly or concealed.

This permissive stance on gun control known in the US as Constitutional carry, since one’s “permit” is said to be the constitution. For many decades, Vermont was the only state where this was the case (hence the alternative term Vermont carry).[2]

Vermont law does not distinguish between residents and non-residents of the state; both have the same right to carry permit-free while in Vermont.

[aimhigh]

I have a hard time believing this will pass. The Senate President is hard core anti-gun, as is the Governor.

[trebb]

National “reciprocity” would be excellent for a start. National Constitutional Carry (open and concealed) would be even better. That said, every small step in the right direction is welcome. It’s a pain to have to change how I carry depending on which State I’m traveling through and some States have “laws” (or local interpretation of said “laws”) that make me a criminal no matter how I go about it.

[goodnesswins]

OREGON???? Hahahahaha...maybe if they are horse trading it for the gun background check Bill thats proposed

[Salvation]

If you would like more information about what's happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me.

I lost my Oregon list when my computer crashed last year, so please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.

[nathanbedford]

The progress demonstrated on this active map goes a long way toward explaining the myopic and selfish opposition of the NRA to Article V.

The Second Amendment is faring well in the statehouses of America but the NRA does not trust the salvation of the country to the same statehouses where it has prospered. Why should it, after all, why risk their single issue business for the good of the country?

For the record, I support the goals of the NRA but I disassociate myself from the organization itself because of its opposition to Article V.

[Reno89519]

Can you please explain and/or provide a link regarding the NRA?

Thanks!

[pabianice]

No.

A friend who is an NRA instructor and has LTCs in other states applied for a RI LTC. He did the ridiculous "approved target" thing with an instructor present. He got a call from the state AG's office asking him why he wanted an LTC. He said that was not part of the procedure. He was denied because he couldn't give a "good reason" for one.

[nathanbedford]

The organize conservative resistance to a convention of the states consists of:

1. The John Birch Society which is obsessed with the idea of nullification.

2. Phyllis Schlafly who is reflexively against any amendment it appears.

3. NRA which has debated Mike Ferris who is the principal proponent with visibility for the Article V movement.

I can only surmise that the motivation for the NRA is purely selfish. They've got their second amendment and the devil can take the rest of the Bill of Rights.

The opposition will soon be felt from Rinos and from the establishment institutions like the American Bar Association, the Wall Street Journal, the National Republican Party etc.

[Oatka]

I have a hard time believing this will pass. The Senate President is hard core anti-gun, as is the Governor.

Bloomberg's money has found a fertile field there, with a gun registration scheme (aka background checks) being rammed through the legislature, with a crucial vote coming up this Monday.

This email from http://www.oregonfirearms.org
"Bloomberg Is Buying Your State
The peddlers of fear are ratcheting up their screeds and pulling out all the stops. New York megalomaniac, Michael Bloomberg, has made a giant media buy in Oregon to spread his freedom smashing agenda to our state.
If nothing changes, the final vote on SB 941 is Monday. We have very little time to drive a stake through the heart of this evil piece of legislation.
There are a handful of Democrats in the House who are on the fence. We need five to stop this atrocious gateway to gun confiscation. Don't stop now. Bloomberg is trying to buy our state and our rights. He has a handful of zealous mercenaries but a boatload of money. Please make one more push to let the swing voters know that a vote for this bill will be a mistake. We have listed the House Reps who are in play and a sample message below.

They do read their email over the weekend.
Rep Brent Barton 503-986-1440 Rep.BrentBarton@state.or.us
Rep Deborah Boone 503-986-1432 Rep.deborahboone@state.or.us
Rep Brian Clem 503-986-1421 Rep.brianclem@state.or.us
Rep Caddy McKeown 503-986-1409 Rep.CaddyMcKeown@state.or.us
Rep Brad Witt 503- 986-1431 Rep.BradWitt@state.or.us
Rep Paul Evans 503-986-1420 Rep.PaulEvans@state.or.us

(Boilerplate - Suggest using your own words. Oatka)
Dear Representative,
As you consider your vote on SB 941, scheduled for Monday, please keep a few things in mind.
Every day another sheriff voices his opposition to this dangerous and counterproductive bill. Most recently the Sheriff of Curry County expressed his opposition. 23 counties oppose it. The City of Turner just went on record opposing it.
You are, no doubt, being bombarded with the false statistics of the Bloomberg lobby who lie and tell you "81% of gun owners" want their name on a government database. Have you heard from any of them? They also tell you that in states where there is universal gun registration "48% fewer on duty police officers are shot and killed." But in 2014 in Oregon, exactly NO police officers were shot and killed. What is 48% less than zero?
This bill is dangerous, polarizing and opposed by more than half of the state. Please carefully consider the real ramifications of this bill on the people who elected you to protect their liberty.
Yours,"

[Sir_Ed]

I hope to God we can shoot this thing down, but what a tragedy it happened in the first place.

Ed

[logi_cal869]

Agreed. Utah CHL works fine despite the libs.

[Tea Party Terrorist]

How about not needing a permit to carry a concealed weapon at all?

Or is the NRA too strong to prevent this countrywide?

[marktwain]

“How about not needing a permit to carry a concealed weapon at all?”

That situation may eventually come about, but it will take a while.

The NRA does not oppose such a measure, they have assisted moves toward and to constitutional carry in several states.

Requiring such a situation by federal law is not likely in the near future, but we live in surprising and rapidly changing times.

Who would have thought that a movement to require that homosexual relationships be placed on par, perhaps above that of normal marriage, would be near to enforcement by the Supreme Court? Such a situation would have seemed absurd, only 10 years ago!