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M855 SS109 Cross Section of Projectiles (Bullets)
Gun Watch ^ | 6 March, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 03/06/2015 6:42:07 PM PST by marktwain

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To: Paladin2

I agree but maybe you should have worded it different.
Isn’t emotional thinkers an oxymoron?
Laws passed on emotion usually range from bad to God awful.
Sad part is these laws seem to remain on the books for two or three generations until cooler heads either repeal them or a newer Supreme Court rules them unconstitutional.


21 posted on 03/06/2015 7:39:28 PM PST by Tupelo (I feel more like Philip Nolan by the day)
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To: Vermont Lt
It slides right into your pocket. Ha Ha.

Obozo gave some idiotic speech a few days ago and talked about these cartridges and their handguns that could be easily concealable.

For the past few decades Democrats/Communists have been allowed to lie with impunity.

22 posted on 03/06/2015 7:41:33 PM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Jaxter

7.62x39 steel core has been banned from import for several years now, and just last fall the ATF banned 5.45x39 steel core 7N6, because of AK style pistols like that. M855 Green Tip is late to the party.


23 posted on 03/06/2015 7:49:44 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Sasparilla
"With the rear stock, isn’t it classified as a short barrel rifle?"

Nope. That's not a stock. That's a "stabilizer". It's designed (wink, wink) to stabilize the "pistol" so you can accurately fire it one handed. If it was designed to fire two handed it would be illegal. No kidding. They come with a letter from the BATF (or whatever they call it these days) stating that they are legal.

24 posted on 03/06/2015 7:53:03 PM PST by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Tupelo

See #11. Mea culpa.


25 posted on 03/06/2015 7:54:59 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, anybody that would try to conceal something like either an AR-15 or AK-47 type handgun would have to be a complete idiot anyway. This is all just BS camel nose under the tent stuff to do backdoor gun control. Even the (honest) cops know that they aren’t in any danger from this stuff.


26 posted on 03/06/2015 7:58:13 PM PST by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Jaxter

Of course.


27 posted on 03/06/2015 7:58:18 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sasparilla
With the rear stock, isn’t it classified as a short barrel rifle?

That's not a stock, that's a Sig arm brace. There was yet another stink with the ATF last January when they decided that the Sig Arm Brace was legal to attach to a pistol, but if you tried to shoulder it you were "remanufacturing" the brace and creating an SBR.

"Proper" use of the Sig brace:


28 posted on 03/06/2015 8:02:08 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Jaxter
This is all just BS camel nose under the tent stuff to do backdoor gun control. Even the (honest) cops know that they aren’t in any danger from this stuff.

You hit the nail right on the head. The fact remains that any .223/5.56 ammunition fired from an AR pistol will penetrate Level IIIA soft body armor worn by police under their uniforms. Banning M855 does not increase police safety in the least.

29 posted on 03/06/2015 8:08:19 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Jaxter; Yo-Yo

So, if it is put to the shoulder, its illegal? Hadnt seen one of those before. This is like the silliness of using a bayonnet lug, or a pistol grip, or a barrel shroud etc. to turn a sport utility rifle into an “assault rifle.”


30 posted on 03/06/2015 8:17:16 PM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Sasparilla

That’s kind of a tricky question. Google “Stabilizing brace for AR-15 style pistols” and you’ll get different opinions on that.


31 posted on 03/06/2015 9:05:27 PM PST by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Sasparilla
Here's how in's meant (wink, wink) to be used:


32 posted on 03/06/2015 9:10:15 PM PST by Jaxter (Si vis pacem para bellum.)
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To: Paladin2
"Those laws were enacted by emotional thinkers."

No - the 1968 GCA was drafted and supported by SAAMI to protect the firearms industry from surplus WWII military firearms.

Send me your e-mail address by private mail and I will provide documented and verifiable evidence.

33 posted on 03/07/2015 12:29:13 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Sasparilla; Jaxter
Here it is from the ATF's mouth: https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Firearms/FirearmsIndustry/open_letter_on_the_redesign_of_stabilizing_braces.pdf

Excerpt:

The pistol stabilizing brace was neither “designed” nor approved to be used as a shoulder stock, and therefore use as a shoulder stock constitutes a “redesign” of the device because a possessor has changed the very function of the item. Any individual letters stating otherwise are contrary to the plain language of the NFA, misapply Federal law, and are hereby revoked.

Any person who intends to use a handgun stabilizing brace as a shoulder stock on a pistol (having a rifled barrel under 16 inches in length or a smooth bore firearm with a barrel under 18 inches in length) must first file an ATF Form 1 and pay the applicable tax because the resulting firearm will be subject to all provisions of the NFA.

34 posted on 03/07/2015 4:31:53 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

And, coming next is illegal firing of the firearm while holding it with both hands.


35 posted on 03/07/2015 4:48:53 AM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Sasparilla

About as arbitrary as when you are allowed to have a forearm on your “pistol” but cannot have a vertical grip on the forearm.


36 posted on 03/07/2015 5:24:49 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

Overall appearance and visible features of firearms, in addition to the simple fact that they are firearms, offend the “sensibilities” of almost, but not quite all liberals.

Then comes the writing of ridiculous, often vague, contradictory, pointless and confusing regulations such as the ATF letter. If common use of an accessory is not illegal, then a way to make use of it illegal and regulated are created.
But, solutions like the (wink, wink) wrist brace and thumbhole stocks are found by the marketplace. It just becomes a chess game sometimes.


37 posted on 03/07/2015 5:55:05 AM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: marktwain

Here I thought Armour was
found on a TANK .


38 posted on 03/07/2015 10:50:47 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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