Posted on 01/31/2015 11:37:15 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
The condition of our culture indicts us all and does not lie.
Neither do the diaries and writings of the Founders that warned of what would happen should the church ever lose the culture as they analyzed in horror the bloodbath that was taking place in France.
Sorry, I beg to differ.
It required NOT a religious peoples, it merely requires one to read, follow and ENFORCE the plain English of the Constitution.
Unfortunately, the Republic fell during the War of the North (aka ‘Civil’ War), and driven under by Teddy on forward (INHO, the ‘time of apathy’. We are currently entering the ‘time to re-servitude’).
Hopefully, our progeny can re-work the Constitution and give it some TEETH to ensure Life, Liberty and Freedom will once again reign true.
Unless you put in energy. People have mobilized in the past, it can happen again.
Where were you during the siege at the Bundy Ranch?
We are one Bundy Ranch away from the 1776 solution. Not the French Revolution.
If you watched the “Sons of Liberty” on History channel this week the parallels literally jumped off the screen.
Not without destroying what we have. Where would one start to unravel the knot?
We have laws and regulations in triplicate for the same things. We are living under the fist of tyranny.
Rules, regulations, forms, laws, codes all somewhat necessary for a civil society but then the bureaucrats get bored and start making up more crap to justify or make more lofty their phony baloney jobs.
They forget they serve us at our pleasure and we have forgotten the same.
How and why do you think the Declaration and the Constitution even came into being???? It DID and DOES require a religious and moral people to maintain the liberty as intended for us.
Take God and religion out of the equation and leave the culture to secular passions that are imposed on the meaning of the Constitution - and what you get is what you currently see around us: debauchery and tyranny.
A people who will not be governed by God and biblical religion will be ruled by the tyrants and tyranny of men.
Here we are.
A Constitution, no matter what Amendments are placed in it, has no affect or power to ensure the liberty it is intended to safeguard if the people in the nation are not a moral and religious people, because the liberty as intended for us is a BIBLICAL construct, not a SECULAR one.
John Adams made this point perfectly clear:
"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, 1798
One face-off skirmish does not a righteous cause make.
Had the Colonists gone to war after the Boston Massacre, the outcome would have been not only disastrous - but similar to what happened in France 20 years later.
A handful of people willing to defy overt tyranny by every and all means is not enough to restore a nation's liberty or bring "justice" - because you will assuredly get another French Revolution given the current conditions in the country.
As in the 1750's and 60's - a people must come to repentance and revival and be spiritually ready and willing to endure the fires of long tribulation, risk, death and privation for a righteous cause before they are ready to be the instruments to overcome the physical, mental and spiritual weight arrayed against them.
We are currently not those people.
The war of Independence began first in the Pulpits of the churches in the Colonies.
Today however, I cannot get churches to eschew homosexual marriage or discuss programs intended to help men overcome addictions to porn, much less put faith that they are ready to carry the torch of rebellion and set them upon our people's minds.
I say with no disrespect: John Adams gave his *impression*, his thought upon...he is not the whole/arbiter of the Constitution.
As an agnostic, *I* can read the words and understand their meaning: There are things ‘above’ mortal Man; his yearning for Freedom/Liberty/etc. Even I can acknowledge the question of our being (a soul? consciousness). I don’t know the answer(s) from when they originate; their source. If one wants to ‘chalk it up’ to their Creator, I, for one, believe that’s as good as any a place to begin....whom am I to judge or cast doubt? But, I’m willing, and open, to seasoned debate that COULD change my mind/way of thinking/belief (what more could be asked of anyone?).
But, to say it requires a moral/religious people to understand?? Sorry, no, not to me. Again, the simple reading of the English language is what is being perverted today; the secularism of gov’t/Left (anti-religion) only exacerbates the issues.
I have no issue seeing that abortion is wrong (science), or the ‘taxing’ by force for ‘charity’ (theft/slavery), etc. etc. etc. If there is a quote one must always bear in mind, to paraphrase: “Gov’t is a necessary evil. Like fire...”.
One must ALWAYS keep an eye out for the evils of Man, religious or not. Religion has/can be the crutch one uses to enslave another/others...’for their own good’...tyrants will be tyrants.
We are not the French. There is not going to be a French revolution in the United States. That’s not how we roll.
The foxes are in the henhouse. You expect them to vote to give up their teeth and claws?
We're human. Nationality has nothing to do with human nature or it's power over people.
History is replete with examples of republics and other democracies committing suicide and ensuing bloodbaths via the avarice and assorted sundry appetites of human nature.
To think that is not how we roll, is to be willfully ignorant of what is currently going on in this country.
He and a majority of the Signers and Founders all wrote similar sentiments as to what Adams stated in one form or another.
Even Franklin and Jefferson made similar notations of morality's role (morality as established by the scriptures for man's understanding of what is considered evil stems from it) in maintaining not only liberty - but a civil society.
A people beholden to morals that are not of what the Founders entitled 'religion' or 'Divine Providence/Creator' as emanating from the bible is a people and society that will not maintain the kind of liberty intended for us.
Just take a look at the Middle East, India and Secular Socialist regimes to see examples of what I'm referring. What we understand as barbaric and evil, such non-religious/non-biblical societies see as necessary and good. Human nature, unrestrained by religion is one of oppression, tyranny, vice and corruption.
The evils of man are only understood as evil by a people who share a biblical definition, or have been conditioned via a biblical definition (whether they understand that is where it comes from or not) of evil. What defines a tyrant?
Jonathan Mayhew answered that question succinctly from the bible, and that is what inspired Jefferson, Adams and Franklin to openly declare by pen in 1776 that King George and Parliament were.
We have a Constitution to defend. The French were trying to get rid of a monarchy. They had no Constitution to follow as a govt framework. Its not the same thing.
The people that will act if it becomes necessary are not the Occupy movement they are American patriots who want to defend and restore the Constitutional Republic. And there are plenty of them to do the job.
If and when the 1776 solution becomes necessary its not going to be a long drawn out brawl in the streets. It will be short and sharp.
Had your optimism had any basis in reality, Americans would have dealt with encroachments on our liberty LONG LONG before now. The Constitution is already largely rendered null and void by the very ruling class this people continue to vote into power. Had this people sought to defend the Constitution in the manner you vainly hope - it would have happened already.
The truth is more than half of the people in this nation are grossly and willfully IGNORANT of our own history, heritage and rule of law. They LIKE a Socialist state and the hand-outs they get. They are themselves rendered slaves and feral animals to a master they greedily lick the palms of.
We have already surrendered our liberty by and large, and lie to ourselves that we are still free and hope in vain that somehow the spirit of 1776 is going to suddenly rise up and we are going to overthrow a small minority of tyrants in a short, sharp and relatively costless conflict. Such thinking could not be greater in it's deceit of presenting a false belief.
Here's what Adams wrote about this very thing:
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the People once surrender their share in the Legislature, and their Right of defending the Limitations upon the Government, and of resisting every Encroachment upon them, they can never regain it." - John Adams, letter to Abigail
Adams was not writing from ignorance there. But from both biblical and historical study. How can anyone assert that such wisdom can be ignored and discarded in order to pump up false bravado so we can sleep soundly at night?
And even now - we do little to nothing besides complain and vote for corrupted peoples to a corrupted institution taken over in a slow velvet coup that took place right under our noses that this people pretend did not happen.
Conservatives cannot even unite behind a single candidate that articulates our principles, and yet you assert that in the crucible of combat, war and sacrifice that somehow, all the divisions that exist in this country are going to come together to fight a common enemy??? You are dreaming a dream that will ensure that when the time comes to resist, if we are not ready in the spiritual sense, reality will reveal this nation's own patriots are nothing but summer soldiers, and resolve will dissolve like brown sugar in boiling water.
I would love to be wrong about what I am warning would be the inevitable bloodbath and complete destruction of our society shouldered conflict ensue. The truth you and most refuse to acknowledge however, is that this people are not ready in the manner our forbears were.
Armed resistance at this point now, will become a bloodbath - no different than it was in France back in the late 1700's. Read DeToqueville and the Founders if you doubt me.
Again France did not have a Constitution and 50 sovereign states. If a regime change needs to be made it may start out as small skirmishes here and there and will very quickly be taken in hand by enough states to get the job done. There is not going to be wholesale fighting in the streets. That’s not how it will play out here.
Remember the American people are very slow to anger as they were in the 1700’s. Things didn’t just happen overnight. It was over 20 years in the making. There is always the straw that breaks the camel’s back. Here it will be guns as is was in 1775.
Enjoy your fantasy and false bravado.
You are ignoring history and human nature as much as you are ignoring reality.
There is not a single Republic in all human history that did not commit suicide.
I’ll add one more thing:
We are become an immoral people in this country. As such, we do not deserve either liberty or the Constitution as written and ratified for us.
As Benjamin Franklin himself wrote, only a MORAL people are capable of freedom, because as nations become more corrupt and vicious, the people will have masters ruling them.
One consequence of our immorality being a foreign insurgency pouring into our land and at an exponential rate. Deuteronomy 28:43-44 to the end of the chapter if you care to read what God promised would happen to a nation of HIS people should they turn their backs on Him.
“Enjoy your fantasy and false bravado”
What does that statement have to do with the differences between France and the United States?
France and the United States are like night and day my friend yet you can’t seem to grasp that reality. We have never been like France and are not now. Any resolution conflict we have in the future here in the US will not be the French Revolution. Not even close.
You don't get it. You willfully ignore what I've written.
Human nature IS NOT LIMITED TO NATION-STATES. Yet you would have us believe that somehow, magically - it is.
Because you assert we have a Constitution and 50 "sovereign states" that somehow this makes the avarice, greed and quest of those in power to subvert an existing governmental structure and incite a bloodbath is impossible here in the US. Yet the seeds of that very thing are being sown right in front of your face every day.
You think that such an agenda that history teaches ultimately leads to a genocidal bloodbath that uses the instruments of envy, race, injustice and getting even is not possible here simply because we are not French?
You are illustrating you have not a clue, except blind faith to a people we no longer are; belief in a civil society that is unravelling under a tyrannical oligarchy this people deceive themselves into believing is still a Republic.
Given where we have arrived as a society, I guarantee you, that a full-blown conflict within our nation now will result in horrors far beyond what occurred in France when their 'revolution' led to their bloodbath.
Ours will be far worse. I make that statement in all truth and honesty, whether you would accept and believe it or not, which I doubt you will because you if ignored what John Adams warned, why would you understand what I am warning of?
You are convinced that because we are not France, such a bloodbath is not possible here.
Next you will tell us all that Socialism is not possible here either.
I think your problem is that you do not understand the American psyche. But that’s OK. :-)
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