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A moral case against voter ID laws (this is what they're teaching at Duke University)
The Hill ^ | November 11, 2014 | David A. Siegel, associate professor of political science at Duke University

Posted on 11/11/2014 5:26:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Like millions of other Americans, I voted last Tuesday. I did not face long lines and there were no barriers to my entry to the polling station. Everyone was quite friendly, and it was a pleasant experience.

They were so friendly, in fact, that they even offered a service to voters, advertised by a sign on the wall: Voters, presumably those who would have difficulty walking into the polling station due to disability, could wait in their idling cars, honk their horns and have someone aid them in voting curbside.

At the time, I did not think much of this. If I'm being honest, I was at first amused by the comparison of voting to checking luggage at the airport. And there was no doubt that those using the service seemed to benefit from it. But on further thought, I began to be disturbed.

It was the juxtaposition of images that bothered me. On the one hand, you had voters driving up and honking their horns to summon someone to help them vote. On the other hand, the volunteer inside the building was telling me cheerfully that I and everyone else in my state would need a valid ID to vote come 2016.

Though I do have a valid ID, the juxtaposition nevertheless bothers me. The reason is that it belies everything that, in my opinion, has made America great. America's exceptionalism arises from its ability to incorporate waves of immigrants with different skills, cultures and experiences, and unify them into a coherent whole. This process is not immediate on entry, and it is not forced; rather, generations of immigrants and the children of immigrants have wanted to consider themselves Americans because being American accompanies the promise of a better life.

This promise is premised on the perception of mobility, social and economic mobility. The phrase "land of opportunity," so closely associated with America, is emblematic of this notion. Sure, not everyone will succeed, but the possibility of success exists.

What I saw at the polling place Tuesday was in stark opposition to this perception. The juxtaposition of images signaled the existence of privileged classes. Government will go out of its way to accommodate some people's voices, but will put up barriers to others. Importantly, these barriers are not in response to an actual problem; voter fraud — and particularly voter fraud of the type that would be thwarted by voter ID laws — is rare to nonexistent. Consequently, those on the wrong end of voter ID laws get the signal that their voices do not count, that they are not valued except insofar as they might provide useful labor for the privileged classes. The perception of social mobility dies in such a climate of political inequality. And because those most affected by voter ID laws are also low-income voters, these individuals are already experiencing the cost of greater economic inequality — increasing economic inequality is likely to decrease economic mobility as well.

The effects of a decrease in the perception of upward mobility driven by inequality in the political or economic spheres are pernicious. Without this perception, there is little incentive to buy into the American system. Factionalism will seem relatively more attractive than integration, and this will lead to contentious politics, little common ground and, at the margins, civil unrest. Events in Ferguson, Mo., are a recent example of this. Our political system will quite simply function less well, and be more prone to internal strife and potentially violence. Similarly, economic inequality is likely to lead to reduced economic growth, and so an economy that functions less well. In this way, political and economic inequality hurt everyone, not just those on the wrong end of the inequality.

Don't get me wrong; I'm all for aiding the infirm in doing their civic duty. But for the sake of our country, let's do the same for everyone.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: davidasiegel; davidsiegel; dukeuniversity; electionfraud; elections; vote; votefraud; voterfraud; voterid
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I guess there is "legal" and then there is "moral."

The bottom line in my book, everyone has a photo ID. If they don't have a photo ID, the state will provide one for them. So why all the angst?

1 posted on 11/11/2014 5:26:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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David A. Siegel - "I study the theoretical determinants of collective action in contexts as diverse as political violence and terrorism, elections, and opinion and identity formation. My research has been published in journals such as the American Political Science Review, American Journal of Political Science, and Journal of Politics, as well as in a pair of books from Princeton University Press. Prior to coming to Duke, I was on faculty at Florida State University. Before that I got my Ph.D. from Stanford University's Graduate School of Business, and before that I studied physics.

You can find links to all my academic publications here and my CV here; I'm also on Google Scholar and ResearchGate. I blog about ideas drawn from my own and others' research regularly for theHill.com; I also sometimes tweet (@DaveASiegel) and try generally to engage with the media. If you're interested in my blog posts or media appearances, you can find links here. If you are in the media and interested in talking about any of the topics I research, my contact information is at the top of the page (e-mail is best).

I typically teach classes on terrorism, institutions, game theory, and research methods. I also actively advise students. I've co-written a book on mathematics for social scientists and produced a full set of (free) video lectures, problem sessions, and problem sets to go along with the book. You can find links to the book and all video course material here. I co-organize a yearly Behavioral Models of Politics Conference intended to encouraging communication among those exploring models of politics that bring in insights from the vast literature on individual behavior. You can check out this year's program here, or those of past years (Pitt 2013)."

2 posted on 11/11/2014 5:27:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Anybody with a three digit IQ knows why the Rats are opposed to voter ID.


3 posted on 11/11/2014 5:27:51 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I thought we weren’t supposed to “legislate morality.” That’s what the Left is always telling us incessantly.

Oh, they meant OUR morality. Now I get it.


4 posted on 11/11/2014 5:28:37 AM PST by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mods should add barf alert.


5 posted on 11/11/2014 5:28:56 AM PST by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If college administration seats are on your ballot DO NOT SKIP THEM!


6 posted on 11/11/2014 5:30:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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I wonder if Professor Siegel ever worked in the real world outside of academia?


7 posted on 11/11/2014 5:30:36 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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Importantly, these barriers are not in response to an actual problem; voter fraud — and particularly voter fraud of the type that would be thwarted by voter ID laws — is rare to nonexistent.

Importantly, this statement is complete B.S. And the entire article hinges on it.

I do a lot of charity work with the poor and homeless. I get IDs for them so they can get jobs and apartments. I know this subject better than probably 99% of the people out there. It is easy for anyone to get an ID. Period.

8 posted on 11/11/2014 5:31:18 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: cripplecreek

The Left likes students to vote where they go to college and then vote again when they go home (easy with early voting and mail in voting).


9 posted on 11/11/2014 5:32:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
OK, if not showing a photo id is important, how about one of these: a copy of a income tax form showing a tax due or a copy of a deed to property owned in the voting district. If you don't have that, you are a leech and should not be voting anyway.

Under this clowns ideas, anyone who shows up can vote. Suppose Putin showed up and said I vont to vote. What do they do, point him to the booth? The one last gasp of nationalism we have here is the right to vote by the citizens, not the transplants, illegals, or itinerants. I want to keep it that way.

10 posted on 11/11/2014 5:34:38 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What can you expect from a university that had on its staff 87 professors who took the side of the lying Black stripper in the lacrosse scandal? None of them were fired. All of them should have been. I wouldn’t send my dog to Duke.


11 posted on 11/11/2014 5:34:42 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: Travis McGee

My only reservation is this: if my aim is to vote to abolish a government then asking permission of a sort from that same government by presenting a government-issued ID is nonsensical bordering on contradictory and self-defeating for both me and government.

That said, Voter ID is a least-worst method of preventing vote fraud. One day biometrics or other technology will supplant paper/plastic cards but obviously some central database must be maintained and that brings in government again.


12 posted on 11/11/2014 5:35:51 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends)
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To: Mouton
James O'Keefe was literally tripping over people who were ready, willing and able to encourage voter fraud. And he wasn't the only one.
13 posted on 11/11/2014 5:37:55 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

this guy doesnt look well mentally


14 posted on 11/11/2014 5:40:27 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And vote again and again. The Democrats have corrupted the political process. They have corrupted the educational process. They have corrupted the medical profession. They have corrupted the legal profession. They corrupt everything and everything they come in contact with.


15 posted on 11/11/2014 5:40:33 AM PST by sport
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

this guy doesnt look well mentally


16 posted on 11/11/2014 5:40:52 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Empty head empty suit)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What a waste of words and paragraphs. If this Professor really missed the most obvious juxtaposition in this scenario, he's not worthy of his title. The handicapped driver who honks his horn to get curbside voting service must first possess a driver's license (picture ID) to make the trip to the polling place where he will receive the accommodation the Professor wants everyone to get. SMH.
17 posted on 11/11/2014 5:40:54 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: relictele

The state, and not the fedgov, should be in charge of issuing valid IDs.


18 posted on 11/11/2014 5:41:36 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Voting is an area where some of the most strict regulation should apply, similar to a driver’s license. One must be tested on matters of the Constitution, citizenship, and virtue before they are allowed to vote, and have the means to prove they’ve passed the test. The test should be taken and license renewed every 4 years. If you’re not interested enough in voting to jump through the hoops, you should not be voting.


19 posted on 11/11/2014 5:43:28 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Voter I.D. Laws are RACIST! Only white people have to produce I.D.


20 posted on 11/11/2014 5:43:31 AM PST by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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