Posted on 09/26/2014 5:17:37 AM PDT by marktwain
In the story, it is clear that the dog that attacked was unsecured and in violation of the law. The family had been gently warned that their dog might escape. The CCW carrier's fears were realized, and he had to use deadly force to save his own, legally restrained, dog. The dog is referred to as a "lab" but it is clear that it is a mix of some kind. It was an adopted dog, so its ancestry is not certain. Most dogs are very territorial; it is not surprising that they will attack other dogs that they view as infringing on their territory.
It is bizarre to see the denverpost.com twist the incident to one in which the defensive shooter is at fault.
The man will not face any charges. From kdvr.com:
He was also concerned that Clifford might jump the fence, a split rail with mesh wire attached, Raymond Martinez said. Martinez added that he was apologetic at the time.
"There was no big argument or anything," Martinez said of the earlier encounter. "I said: 'Sorry about that, Clifford is not aggressive.' "
The deadly Saturday encounter could have been avoided, Martinez said. "In my mind, he could have walked somewhere else," he said.
COMMERCE CITY, Colo. — The man who shot and killed his neighbor’s family pet during the weekend will not face any criminal charges.From the shooter's side, in a later article:
The shooter's wife also denies that he pointed the gun at other people.
Clifford attacked, Burr said, "he went for his jugular and clamped onto his neck; my husband was unable to separate the two."
That's when Kevin Burr pulled his handgun and shot Clifford, she said.
Burr said her husband is "distraught" over the incident.
And there is a reason for concealed carry.
The dog that was shot jumped over the yard fence - leash not applicable in this case.
Because Mr. Martinez owns all the property in the state public and private, and he and his dog will do as they please.
“Martinez said. “In my mind, he could have walked somewhere else,”
Attitude of dog owners everywhere.
I was getting ready to leave for work and the neighbors dog, a little ugly god only knows what kind of little dog crosses the street. Snarls, barks, lunges for my ankles repeatedly and every-time I turn around. Could the dog hurt me? Not really. Well a little. Bite my ankles. Now this is in MY driveway. The old lady who owns the little dog lets him out every morning to do his business, usually on my lawn.
Now if i wanted to have crap all over my yard and to have an animal barking, snarling, and carrying on I would buy my own dog. But I don’t so I don’t have a dog. I really wanted to drop kick that dog but that would make me the bad guy wouldn’t it? So I just put up with the snarling, barking, lunging little teeth with four legs. I get it that dog owners don’t really see that in the dogs they own. They don’t. But don’t get mad when I drop kick muffy for crapping on my yard and following me around my property snarling barking lunging at my ankles.
“Martinez said “In my mind, he could have walked somewhere else”
This is the mentality today. It’s why trial lawyers are doing brisk business. Sorry Bud, the world doesn’t revolve around you and your desires. If you controlled your dog, all would have been well.
Had a neighbor just like this. They let their dog run free and he would attack my dog while on a leash in my OWN yard.
The last time I broke a cane over his back and had to take my dog to the vet for rib trauma and sent the bill to the idiot. This was the 10th time it happened by the way.
His dog finally croaked last year thankfully.
Don’t think for a second that doc can’t seriously injure you. Two years ago my wife was bitten by a small dog, a Jack Russel, on her finger. Two small holes, that’s it. Barely even bled.
36 hours later she was in the hospital and was there for a week fighting a very nasty infection. Surgery was required to clean out the wound. Dog bites are not to be trifled with, no matter what the size of the animal.
“Now if i wanted to have crap all over my yard and to have an animal barking, snarling, and carrying on I would buy my own dog. “
Now if your NEIGHBOR wanted to crap all over your yard and harass and disturb you at all odd hours, he/she would buy a dog, keep it outdoors, let it crap all over your yard and bark/yipe/carry on.
Dogs, like outdoor cats, are frequently used in a passive-agressive borderline personality disordered way to do just that.
Up until coyotes migrated into our neighborhood, one of my favorite pastimes was trapping “stray” cats and taking them to the local ASPCA. Pain in the butt, animal control won’t come out and swap traps like they did in Hawaii, but I’d do it anonymously and when neighbors would put up the usual “Lost cat” sign, I’d write on it in red “call the ASPCA.”
“Outdoor cats” are a health hazard, a menace to wildlife, a sign of unfriendly and uncaring pet owners.
Ditto for dogs.
Wake up, it’s almost 2015.
Yep - I jog in my local area - my lot is 2.5 acres and one of the small ones, but no mansions, just a semi-rural enclave with lots of open land. Occassionally run across dogs that act menacing, but most owners wil not only get quick control, some will go through the process of "introducing" me to the dog which usually results in long-term amity. Had one that was on the shoulder and threatening to lunge. The owner was in the yard and claimed he was harmless. I told him he didn't look or act harmless, and asked him to kindly take control of him. The guy claimed he wouldn't come to him until I was gone. I brought my weapon into view, then held it close so it was no longer visible - the glimpse was enough that the asshat called the dog who obediently went to him. He told me I should stay out of areas where it was dangerous and I smiled and said that I was not really the one in danger so he should keep his dog leashed as I would be continuing my runs and that the dog was the trespasser that might do me a favor and let me bleed him and his insurance company dry if he couldn't manage. Been 2 years and never had the dog menace me again.
“Could the dog hurt me? Not really. Well a little. Bite my ankles.”
You’d be surprised. As a nurse I’ve seen diabetics end in death from the start of a tiny foot wound.
Pepper spray
Once a dog leaves its fenced yard, it’s fair game if it attacks anyone. A friend of mine couldn’t find his huskies last year- turned out that they had gone walkabout (as huskies will), and been caught down the road killing chickens. The chicken owner shot them both. My friend cried about his dogs, but said nothing to the chicken owner, as he was in the right.
Oh yes it is. Once that dog cleared the fence, he should have been on a leash.
really, be realistic. how is the owner going to put the dog on a leash that just jumped a fence.
sometimes posters on FR are ... ok, i will refrain, but you know you are being idiotic.
I have 3 large dogs on runners. The thing that bothers me is that I live on a rural road leading out of town and there must be an invisible sign out front that says, “drop unwanted animals here.” My dogs are usually pretty calm except when that happens.
I understand your position, but the law does not say, “if the dog leaps over a fence, the leash is not required”. The law is very clear and is meant to cover most if not all situations. Once that dog cleared the fence, the owner is in trouble. Ignorance is no defense, and the owner is obligated to build a fence of sufficient height to prevent this from occurring. So please refrain from your “idiot” commentary until you truly understand.
Read a Leash Law, it covers “properly” fenced.
Your comment is idiotic, period.
When you invent that device that “leashes” a dog that jumps a fence, let me know.
This was a case of an owner not having their dog properly restrained in their fence.
Not an owner willfully letting their dog out the door of the house to run the neighborhood free.
I didn’t say the owner wasn’t negligent. And it is unfortunate that the other owner had to defend their pet, and that this family lost their pet. Heartbreaking all around, but it seems that the right decision was made by the owner of the dog being attacked.
I simply said to say this is a “leash” law violation is wrong.
I agree, a German Shephard will easily clear a 4 ft cyclone fence.
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