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MI: Man with Rifle Arrested; Police Hunt for a Charge
Gun Watch ^ | 7 April, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 04/08/2014 6:39:23 AM PDT by marktwain


A man attempted to board a bus in Battle Creek, Michigan, with an SKS rifle in his carry on baggage.  The rifle was longer than the bag, so the butt stuck out and was visible. 

Some people called 911.   I was not there, so I do not know the totality of the circumstances.   It is clear that that no one was threatened by the man, and that the rifle was unloaded.   The police showed up and arrested the fellow... for what?   From wkzo.com:

The City’s Gang Suppression Unit responded and took the 25-year-old into custody seizing the gun and a fully loaded magazine.

He has not yet been charged. It wasn’t exactly a concealed weapon and it wasn’t loaded but it quickly could have been.

This sounds like the beginning of another false arrest settlement to me.  There have been a number of them in Michigan over open carry incidents.  I wonder what is meant by "a fully loaded magazine"?   Most SKS rifles have a fixed magazine and use 10 round stripper clips such as this one:



Some SKS rifle variants were made with detachable magazines, and some magazines were made that could be fitted in place of the original magazine, so it is possible that the "fully loaded magazine" actually was one. 

I am reminded of how Justice Scalia recounted his experience of carrying a rifle on New York City mass transit as a boy, and how no one considered it a problem.

I do not believe that there is a law prohibiting the carry of firearms on buses, but a number of carriers prohibit the transport of weapons on their buses.   That  might be a breach of contract, but I doubt that it would warrant an arrest. 

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If he would have taken off the stock, he could likely have fit the disassembled rifle into his carryon.
1 posted on 04/08/2014 6:39:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If he would have taken off the stock, he could likely have fit the disassembled rifle into his carryon.


But then it would have been disassembled.


2 posted on 04/08/2014 6:42:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: marktwain

He would have to saw off the stock or get a bigger bag.


3 posted on 04/08/2014 6:44:21 AM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deco et Vives)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
I think the gun needs to be in a case to be carried in a vehicle passenger compartment but this sounds like some nitpicking and certainly isn't worth an arrest.

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4 posted on 04/08/2014 6:44:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: marktwain

I say ban whiny, chicken5h!t, drama queens(both men and women), from owning cell phones. How many people got to die or be arrested for nothing because dumba55e5 got cellphones and get a thrill watching cops arrest somebody after they make a call. Better than a soap opera for them. Immediate thrill. Ban these subhuman people (so called). Not guns.


5 posted on 04/08/2014 6:51:17 AM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: marktwain

>>>The City’s Gang Suppression Unit responded and took the 25-year-old into custody seizing the gun and a fully loaded magazine.<<<

Can the media ever get any gun story right? They always incorrectly refer to magazines as “clips”. Finally, someone is actually arrested with an ammunition “clip”, and they call it a magazine.


6 posted on 04/08/2014 6:52:48 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: marktwain

Years ago teenagers used to take their empty .22’s to school via the bus because they had shooting practice at school.


7 posted on 04/08/2014 6:58:07 AM PDT by Slyfox (When Jesus sees a momma holding her little baby, it reminds him of his own momma.)
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To: marktwain

8 posted on 04/08/2014 7:03:10 AM PDT by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: marktwain
I wonder what is meant by "a fully loaded magazine"?

Strictly speaking, the stripper clips are used to load the internal magazine.

A "magazine" in firearms parlance is just a place to store ammunition. We have detachable magazines or internal magazines.

Sounds like this reporter actually knows something about firearms...

9 posted on 04/08/2014 7:08:14 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: marktwain

Don’t magazines have to be unloaded for legal transport in MI?

I think I read in the hunting rules something like that.


10 posted on 04/08/2014 7:08:15 AM PDT by fulltlt
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To: marktwain

It has one of those scary bayonet thingies.


11 posted on 04/08/2014 7:09:37 AM PDT by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: Slyfox

In 1977 I took my grandfathers model 97 trench gun to school with me as a demonstration in my “War and Armament” class that was an elective at the time. Didn’t have a case so mom wrapped it in and old bed sheet for me, and when I got on the bus I handed it to the driver who stuck it next to her. Carried it in, handed it to the teacher, he used it as a demonstration, let everyone hold it, and I took it home.

No one even looked at me strange and they all knew what I had, but Brighton Michigan was a completely different place back then.


12 posted on 04/08/2014 7:15:37 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: marktwain

The left has succeeded in convincing the idiots that a gun in an honest person’s hands is bad.
Also, the cops are being forced by corrupt administrations to arrest innocent people.

Meanwhile, the left deliberately and intentionally leaves guns in the hands of violent criminals.


13 posted on 04/08/2014 7:34:37 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: Abathar
In 1977 I took my grandfathers model 97 trench gun to school with me as a demonstration in my “War and Armament” class that was an elective at the time.

In 63, I used to walk down the hallway full of kids with my shotgun or .22 over my shoulder, without a case...Principle would put it in her office til school was over...I wouldn't load it until I got outside tho...

Later, they removed the Ten Commandments from the walls of the school so no one knows that God says we shouldn't kill each other...No one even knows anymore that there is a God...

14 posted on 04/08/2014 7:39:10 AM PDT by Iscool (Ya mess with me, you mess with the WHOLE trailer park...)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

It might have been a mag. You can get after market conversions for the SKS. However sometimes they don’t feed too well. Wish I’d have spent the extra and gotten an AK.


15 posted on 04/08/2014 7:53:05 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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To: grobdriver

I suspect that what he should have said was “fully loaded clip” as the article stated that the gun was unloaded.

Of the limited SKS rifles that I have encountered, there is an internal magazine that is then loaded by clip (you already know this I’m sure). So it sounds to me like the internal magazine was empty but the clip was full.

Or at least that is the best that I can make out from the article.


16 posted on 04/08/2014 8:01:31 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: marktwain

If he was really arrested before police had a real charge, there is money in his future.

OTOH, he appeared to be getting on a bus for a long trip, this was not a city bus because he had “baggage”.

While there are many people who travel by bus, the proportion who aren’t “all there” is higher than the average for the entire population. Wait and see. There may end up being a reason for not wanting this individual to travel with a weapon.


17 posted on 04/08/2014 8:11:15 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: taxcontrol
Yeah - it's all in the terminology.

Personally, I would call a weapon "unloaded" if it had a full magazine but no round chambered.

I can see some thinking a loaded magazine = a "loaded gun"... but I wouldn't call it that.
(shrug)

18 posted on 04/08/2014 8:14:57 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Abathar

In the late 60’s when in Junior High we had a rifle club in school. The school had .22 rifles for the clubs use and we even had a rifle range in the school for practice and competition.

Imagine all the liberal today getting the vapors over the mere idea of this happening today.


19 posted on 04/08/2014 8:16:20 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Abathar

When I went to school (1962), when kids carried guns and large knives to school, you knew they were in Leathercraft classes in SHOP.

No one ever raised an eyebrow.


20 posted on 04/08/2014 8:29:45 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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