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We need a war on poverty, not teachers
Salon ^ | November 7, 2013 | David Sirota

Posted on 11/08/2013 2:36:56 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Of corse this includes our teachers at main street media.
Boy Matt Laugher has that Homer Simpson look going with the beard thang.


21 posted on 11/08/2013 4:21:37 AM PST by Recompennation (Constitutional protection for all not just selectively for Democrats.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

You can pour all the money in the world into the school system, you can ban every teachers union in the country, and it won’t solve a thing. If there is no support for education at home then for much of the class you’re wasting your money. And that is what is missing. For all too many homes - at all ends of the economic spectrum - parents have abrogated their responsibility for their children’s education and dumped it solely on the teachers. They don’t take any interest in their work, they don’t get to know the teachers, they just show no interest and expect miracles. My dad would work a double shift at the Ford plant and still sit down and read to me when I was little or help me with my homework when I was older. He and my mom never, ever missed a parent-teacher conference. At the dinner table the first topic of conversation was always how my day at school went. They constantly reinforced how important education was. Now in some communities education is viewed with suspect. That’s the problem, far more than unions or funding or curriculum.


22 posted on 11/08/2013 4:29:29 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: kcvl

How about that!?

Thanks.


23 posted on 11/08/2013 4:29:29 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: DoodleDawg
........... For all too many homes - at all ends of the economic spectrum - parents have abrogated their responsibility for their children’s education and dumped it solely on the teachers........

Because they've forgotten how to care for themselves and they "know" (depend on the belief) that government is there to care for their children - the nanny state cripples the family and that cripples the nation. That's what social justice produces.

24 posted on 11/08/2013 4:33:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Conservatives who blame teachers for the problems in education are falling for the tactics of the left. Teachers do their jobs. They are forced to do their jobs in a way that is conducive to achieving the goals of the left. Unions are a problem. Central control of education in DC is a problem. Politicization of curriculum is a problem. Lack of parenting is a problem. All of these are far greater problems than teachers. If you want to fix education, abolish the Department of Eduction, eliminate all DC funding for local education, and let communities run it. Many teachers want to do their job well, given the opportunity, and I hate seeing conservatives disparage teachers, the least powerful of the entities in the education system. Many teachers can be our allies.


25 posted on 11/08/2013 4:48:43 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: DoodleDawg

Good post - Students will only be as good as the parents require.


26 posted on 11/08/2013 4:50:24 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The War on Poverty has already created flash mobs, urban unemployment, disinvestment, gangs, drug wars, abortion on demand, homelessness, and racial division.

America is becoming Detroit because of the War on Poverty. We don’t need more of it.


27 posted on 11/08/2013 4:56:45 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: TN4Liberty

You make many good points.

But the caliber of teachers needs to improve. Schools of Education are not producing quality teachers. Schools refuse to hire qualified people (compared to most who are in the classrooms they are OVER qualified) without the “education” degree, comprised of truly useless psycho-babble — global warming — no bullying — government is good courses (mastery of a subject - REAL mastery - is truly rare).

Then of course there is the total lack of enforcement of student conduct (and the refusal of schools to back up teachers), where students run the show because they know having their butt in the chair is more important to the schools than how they behave, or concerns about whether anyone in the room learns (the head count that gives them $$$ rules supreme).

A school today would rather be academically failing than be called a dangerous school. So they are both.


28 posted on 11/08/2013 5:07:40 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
We need a war on poverty, not teachers

We've HAD a war on poverty for the last 50 years. Trillions of dollars have been squandered on paying people to be poor, and "poverty"* is still with us to the same extent or greater than it was before

*If you define poverty as haveing three flat screen TVs, a car (or two), your food, healthcare, housing and edjumacation for yo chillin provided.

29 posted on 11/08/2013 5:11:02 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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But the caliber of teachers needs to improve. Schools of Education are not producing quality teachers. Schools refuse to hire qualified people (compared to most who are in the classrooms they are OVER qualified) without the “education” degree, comprised of truly useless psycho-babble — global warming — no bullying — government is good courses (mastery of a subject - REAL mastery - is truly rare).

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Exactly.

Although I know that there are good, dedicated teachers, some of whom I know personally, there are too many teachers out there who are not mature enough to be entrusted with classroom authority.

I’ve witnessed many teachers participating in cruel gossip about students and also using their captive classroom “audiences” to nourish their own needy egos.


30 posted on 11/08/2013 5:38:02 AM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americad)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t disagree with you. But all of those things are beyond the control of teachers, which is my point. The issues are real, but the solutions are way beyond what a teacher can do.

Full disclosure, my wife resigned from a teaching position a month ago after nearly ten years. She taught in high income areas, low income, and rural areas. The problems were the same in all areas. A couple of anecdotes - she had to defend herself from a parent who hired an attorney because their child wasn’t chosen for “Safety Patrol.” She had parents threaten lawsuits if their child failed a class. She had kids who had developmental problems that parents would not acknowledge, preventing the kids from benefiting from additional help that was available. Meanwhile, the parents did little at home to encourage the kid to perform. She had kids return to class after spending weeks in juvenile detention for violent behaviors, with administrators and law enforcement knowing that the kid wouldn’t last a week before another violent act would put them back in juvee (these are middle schoolers). She had one parent with a learning disabled child accuse her of helping her child too much - denying the child’s development because (apparently) it put some government support payments at risk for the mom.

Common core tests and methods came into this environment with DC dictating the exams, hence the curriculum, hence the teaching methods she must use. And in-class evaluations continued, but now each one required the teacher to do 8 hours of paperwork to give to the evaluator (basically an auditor) to prove she knew what she was doing.

Add to this the ... inequity (for purposes of evaluation) the “sacrificial teacher” who gets essentially all of the behavioral problems together in one class... often an experienced teacher who is willing to try, but sometimes a new one who doesn’t know better than to object. (Team players in the teaching profession get screwed when students are assigned.)

So inside of this environment of external control of process (yielding ineffective processes), problem students who are not motivated to learn, problem parents who have differing motives, other parents who refuse to enforce behavior or learning, and lawyers hovering at every turn that teachers are told, “Oh by the way... we are going to test to what we think the kids should learn and if the results aren’t satisfactory, you are fired.”

I watched her work 70+ hours a week to do the job well, meeting the local expectations, the legal requirements of the contracts established with parents of problem children, the expectations of administrators, the “outside” unpaid tasks such as bus duty, off hours meetings, volunteering for ball game ticket sales, etc... being pointed out as an outstanding teacher, then having 15% of the kids decide on test day that they didn’t want to bother reading the questions before answering...

I guess my question is, would you want your job hanging on that test?

In closing, the stress got to the point that she resigned, even without another job (t my urging). The fact that many in the community blame teachers for the problem, frankly, was part of her frustration. I know few people who work the hours she worked, and most of them are either major players in billion dollar companies or run their own businesses. But to have everything working against you, requiring a herculean effort, only to be blamed as the root of the problem... Tennessee teachers, good ones, conscientious ones, experienced ones, are leaving in droves.

Thanks for letting me vent.

One more thing... improving the caliber of teachers will not fix the current system. The system is the problem. Good teachers are being forced to scripts, standardization, “one-size-fits-all” teaching methods (a byproduct of Common Core and the associated $ from DC). Great teachers currently exist, but in practice are being throttled by the system. DC controls the standards and the processes. The new requirements (and the required learning methods and associated standardized tests) are not ones you would ever come up with if you wanted well-educated kids. I really wonder if the goal is to have a less educated population that is more dependent and easier to control. It worked in the USSR...

Ultimately, local control of schools is the only workable solution, but DC can take your money and return it if you play their game, so local control of schools is probably a thing of the past.


31 posted on 11/08/2013 6:31:01 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If America were serious about fixing the troubled parts of its education system, then we would be having a fundamentally different conversation.

We wouldn’t be talking about budget austerity — we would be talking about raising public revenues to fund special tutoring, childcare, basic health programs and other so-called wraparound services at low-income schools.

We wouldn’t only be looking to make sure that schools in high-poverty districts finally receive the same amount of public money as schools in wealthy neighborhoods — we would make sure high-poverty districts actually receive more funds than rich districts because combating poverty is such a resource-intensive endeavor.

Gross misdiagnosis, fool’s errand recommendation.

The rich school isn’t rich because it has money, the rich school is rich because it has the backing of the parents of the students. The poor school is poor first because the parents of its students didn’t do well in school, and the don’t expect and demand that their children do well in school, either. Low expectations will stultify the progress of almost anyone.

The more you try to rob Peter to pay for Paul’s education, the more Paul learns that robbing Peter is the path to success - and the more Paul learns not to be like Peter.

32 posted on 11/08/2013 10:13:13 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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All public schools are child abuse.


33 posted on 11/08/2013 10:14:06 AM PST by GeronL
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Large institutions tend to be in some sense abusive, willy nilly. As Tom Peters’ In Search of Excellence put it (quoting an executive whose name I didn’t know) “Bad things start to happen whenever you get more than 500 to a thousand people in the same place.” And as the comparison between home tutoring and schools illustrates, it doesn’t take hundreds of people before bad things to start happening.

I am fascinated with the khanacademy.org model of education: a smorgasbord of knowledge expounded by an intelligent but modest teacher, who actually functions more like a tutor because of the ability of the student to rewind and repeat whatever isn’t clear on first - or second or third - viewing.

34 posted on 11/09/2013 11:53:45 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (“Liberalism” is a conspiracy against the public by wire-service journalism.)
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I am fascinated with the khanacademy.org model of education: a smorgasbord of knowledge expounded by an intelligent but modest teacher, who actually functions more like a tutor because of the ability of the student to rewind and repeat whatever isn’t clear on first - or second or third - viewing.

This makes perfect sense. This is how our children learned most of their math. The classroom is outmoded.

And when you see the difference first-hand, you realize that the classroom is wildly and hopelessly outmoded.

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Do you want to know a simple way to accelerate the formal learning process?

When children master a subject, let them move on, rather than measure "time in seat."

When you think about it, you'll realize that the "time in seat" model, that all formal schooling is based on, is idiotic.

Most subjects can be modularized. Once a child passes a module, he can move on to the next module, or use his free time as he pleases.

This could accelerate learning by 10-50%.

But the teacher unions would fight it tooth and nail, for obvious reasons. Most for-profit "non-profit" private schools would not adopt this model for similar reasons.

35 posted on 11/09/2013 12:02:30 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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