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NH:Armed Citizen Confronted at Starbucks
Gun Watch ^ | 17 September, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/17/2013 6:42:23 AM PDT by marktwain


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A mother needed to use the Internet to order items required by a minor emergency on the road.   Naturally, she turned to Starbucks.

Starbucks has become known nationally for its neutral policy on the carry of firearms.  If you are following the law, Starbucks is willing to take your money in exchange for their product.  Here is what happened in a New Hampshire Starbucks as written by the mother it happened to, Riana, on opencarry.org:

Here I am, minding my own business, sitting with my husband and son in the Starbucks on Main Street. I had several things to take care of, as our vacation plans have been drastically altered by a broken-down vehicle, and needed internet access to handle them.

A man came up to me, pointed at my holstered sidearm, and asked rather indignantly, "What is that?"


I replied, "That is my defensive sidearm, sir."


"Well, I'm glad you feel safer, but I don't." he said.


"I'm sorry you feel that way, sir," I said calmly.


The complainer then went immediately (and loudly) went to the staff, demanding they "do something" about me. The staff simply responded that I was well within my rights, and they would do nothing. He told them he didn't feel safe, and another customer piped in that he indeed felt safer with me carrying a sidearm. The complainer then left the store in a huff, hollering that he would never come back to this store, because of the policy.


Later the customer who piped up came by and thanked me for carrying. The staff never made any comment to me. My son did note, however, that the complainer drove off in a car with Massachusetts plates, so that explains a lot.
This is an unusual experience for people who openly carry firearms.  I have openly carried firearms for many years, and the number of negative encounters, all milder than the one above, can be numbered on the fingers of one hand.   It might help that I have been told that I have a mild and inoffensive appearance.  I have also been told that I look like a policeman.  Fortunately, I have never had another person loudly complain to management that I was allowed to carry a firearm. 

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It is unusual for armed citizens to encounter such hostility. Fortunately, the numbers of those who have emotional issues with citizens carrying guns is rather small.
1 posted on 09/17/2013 6:42:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Was the hubby carrying too?


2 posted on 09/17/2013 6:46:43 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: marktwain

Figures that it would be some “Masshole” who would complain


3 posted on 09/17/2013 6:46:48 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Evil WILL flourish when good men WILL not act)
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To: marktwain

Pay no attention to the obnoxious Masshole.


4 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:03 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: marktwain
"Well, I'm glad you feel safer, but I don't." he said.

Correct answer: Well, if you don't feel safe, maybe you should carry one too.

5 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:05 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: marktwain

The MASSHOLES strike again.


6 posted on 09/17/2013 6:47:47 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: marktwain

So the guy started harrassing a stranger that was carrying a holstered sidearm. He sounds like a candidate to be a self-correcting error. Definitely not the brightest bulb in the pack.


7 posted on 09/17/2013 6:48:16 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Age of Reason

He well might, if the Peoples’ Republic of Massachusetts would let him.


8 posted on 09/17/2013 6:48:43 AM PDT by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: marktwain

I wish I could carry here in the People’s Republic of Maryland. Especially since the people who elect the democrats to rule us are also in the Counties that carry the most votes, and have the most crime.

We are ruled by Prince Georges Counties and Baltimore and surrounding area’s the places with the most crime an the biggest need for the rest of us to carry, but Maryland is filled with Democrat Gun Grabbers.


9 posted on 09/17/2013 6:49:54 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: OB1kNOb
The complainer then left the store in a huff, hollering that he would never come back to this store, because of the policy.

Had I been in the store, I would have led a hearty round of applause.

10 posted on 09/17/2013 6:51:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: marktwain
Not only have I never had a negative comment - to may face, at any rate - I once had a Culpeper Town police officer thank me for taking responsibility for our own safety when I was open carrying while riding bicycles with my young son in a town park.
11 posted on 09/17/2013 6:52:17 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: marktwain

The guy is willing to “confront” an open-carrier, so how “unsafe” could he feel? I mean if you were really scared of the open carrier, why would you confront and potentially anger them? In reality, the guy probably knows armed citizens are the most law abiding demographic. He just doesn’t like guns, doesn’t want anyone else having them and is a nosy asshole to boot.

I mostly OC when in Arizona (nice to have that choice) and have not had any issues so far.


12 posted on 09/17/2013 6:52:48 AM PDT by barefoot_hiker
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To: marktwain
"Well, I'm glad you feel safer, but I don't." he said.

The little fascist felt safe enough to start a confrontation though, didn't he?

13 posted on 09/17/2013 6:56:29 AM PDT by RC one
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To: marktwain

Funny how these busybodies get really indignant ONLY when dealing with civilized palefaces.

As far as the young lady goes, I would advise you to conceal carry and don’t provoke when in public. Keep a low profile.


14 posted on 09/17/2013 6:57:10 AM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: tgusa
There should be a $5.00 'surtax' added to the toll of any vehicles sporting Assachusttes or New York plates when passing thru toll plazas on Red Hampshire interstates. The same should apply to vehicles with Red Hampshire plates IF bumper stickers supporting Democrat candidates are present OR if a 'coexist' sticker is present.

They'll pay.

15 posted on 09/17/2013 6:58:55 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: marktwain
The complainer then left the store in a huff, hollering that he would never come back to this store, because of the policy. < . . . >the complainer drove off in a car with Massachusetts plates, so that explains a lot.

Unless the store is near the border and the wussy Mass. resident lives/works near the border, chances are he wasn't going back there again, anyway.
16 posted on 09/17/2013 6:59:15 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: marktwain

Suppose: You’re afraid of guns. You see someone with a gun. Your fear makes you exceedingly anxious that that person may shoot up the place, you included.

You decide to:

1. leave

2. Approach the person with the gun and piss them off

Select one answer and justify your choice.


17 posted on 09/17/2013 7:00:17 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Is John's moustache long enough YET?)
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To: RC one

Because she was a woman. I daresay that yellow bellied coward would never have started that conversation with a male or a minority.


18 posted on 09/17/2013 7:00:39 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: marktwain
If Washington, D.C. had 'open carry'; the twelve that died yesterday might still be alive.

Wouldn't you like to hear someone say that on some national cable show today?

19 posted on 09/17/2013 7:01:24 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: marktwain
I have openly carried firearms for many years, and the number of negative encounters, all milder than the one above, can be numbered on the fingers of one hand.

Mostly can be handled with the finger of one hand.

20 posted on 09/17/2013 7:01:36 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
Because she was a woman. I daresay that yellow bellied coward would never have started that conversation with a male or a minority.

Clearly she wasn't wearing her 'WARNING: I have PMS and a GUN' t-shirt...the whiny little marxist wouldn't have had the 'balls' to approach her under those circumstances.

21 posted on 09/17/2013 7:05:17 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: marktwain

I’m really surprised that he/She didn’t tell the complainer to “F” Off and mind his. Own business.


22 posted on 09/17/2013 7:05:27 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Age of Reason

Nope.

It’s “projection”.

The complainant knows that if he was carrying, he’d be likely to shoot someone for no good reason, so he believes that everyone carrying is likely to shoot someone for no good reason.


23 posted on 09/17/2013 7:07:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain
Reminds me of an incident a few years back: My brother, his son and I were in Inyo County (eastern Sierras) shooting at a locally accepted ‘unofficial shooting range’.

I was shooting a pistol (a .38) when a MAMIT on a bicycle rode over from a nearby trail to confront us. My nephew listened to the man from a distance, then went to the gun bag and picked up a magnum. He then fired three shots in rapid succession at the targets.

The MAMIT’s friend (who was now next to him) then said: “Come on man, let it go.”

My nephew then said to us: “What kind of an idiot confronts a total stranger who has a gun?”

24 posted on 09/17/2013 7:07:55 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (0bama lied, Stevens died, now 0bama covers up the lies.)
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To: marktwain

I’d have told them they didn’t need to feel afraid, hoplophobia is treatable.


25 posted on 09/17/2013 7:10:56 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: All

We had a 2nd Amendment support day for the S’bux location here in GreenAcres (NW of ATL) a few weeks ago with numerous citizens participating in their right to open or concealed carry while overpaying (!) for their coffee drinks.


26 posted on 09/17/2013 7:12:03 AM PDT by Prov1322 (Enjoy my wife's incredible artwork at www.watercolorARTwork.com! (This space no longer for rent))
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To: Paine in the Neck

Of course liberals never make any sense so it is obvious a liberal would go with choice number 2.


27 posted on 09/17/2013 7:20:28 AM PDT by Tammy8 ( ~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: DuncanWaring
It’s “projection”. That is the left to a t. They always see the evil and vices that lurk inside them in everyone else. Hence, they must be controlled so must everyone else.
28 posted on 09/17/2013 7:21:01 AM PDT by trubolotta
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To: marktwain

I believe Sigmund Freud correctly noted the strong correlation between those with serious sexual immaturity issues and an unreasonable fear of weapons.

He posited that both disorders stem from the same underlying cause of fear of responsibility and insecurity.

The same mental disorder of insecurity underlies much of the modern Democrat party. It’s why they want big government making all the decisions for them.


29 posted on 09/17/2013 7:22:01 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: marktwain

Figures - the one time John Kerry didn’t have his man-servant get his coffee for him..........


30 posted on 09/17/2013 7:22:29 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Michael.SF.

Got me confused. I looked up MAMIT and it came up with the name of a town and: MAMIT definition

Member, Associate of Meat Inspectors Trust
- See more at: http://www.allacronyms.com/MAMIT#sthash.jWFUjlhy.dpuf


31 posted on 09/17/2013 7:23:10 AM PDT by knittnmom (Save the earth! It's the only planet with chocolate!)
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To: marktwain

That person didn’t feel safe but they were unarmed and they have a big mouth.


32 posted on 09/17/2013 7:24:38 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: marktwain

I still will not shop Starbucks since they refused to put the stores in the war zone because the were against the war. Refused to give them for the troops.


33 posted on 09/17/2013 7:24:45 AM PDT by RetiredArmy ("As in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of Man." Come Quickly LORD Jesus!)
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To: marktwain

Her response included “I’m sorry.” This is an issue I’ve been working on myself. When somebody disagrees with or has some other issue with my political philosophy I tend to rebut with with, “Sorry but,” and then continue with what I was going to say. I’m trying to remember that I don’t have to apologize for my thoughts and actions if I’m correct in them, and she should not have said this either. Just a thought, not a condemnation.


34 posted on 09/17/2013 7:24:52 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: marktwain

A good response to the guy, “You say you don’t feel safe, yet you feel safe enough to confront me. I believe your actions speak louder than your words. You are lying, sir.”


35 posted on 09/17/2013 7:25:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Michael.SF.
“What kind of an idiot confronts a total stranger who has a gun?”

Your nephew is wise. :-)

It's worth mentioning, however, that the man confronting you likely realized that an average Joe, plinking at targets at a "shooting range" in the middle of the day ..... didn't present much of a threat. He could accost you, bluff and bluster, to his heart's content. So long as he didn't present a physical threat you'd likely have enough common sense for everyone involved and he'd be perfectly safe.

Then, he could go along, feeling smug and superior, and maybe thump his chest a little bit for the girls ("You shoulda been there! Today I told off this redneck loser and he had a gun. Gave it to him, but good!!!!) at the local biker vegan, fair-priced, free-range coffeeshop and collective.

I'd wonder if he'd display bravado like that with a drug dealer sporting the same .38, in the hood, at 2am. Unlikely.

36 posted on 09/17/2013 7:34:17 AM PDT by wbill
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To: marktwain

Liberals: the stupidest most intolerant d-bags on the planet. More gun control = less crime in their mind only, but in the real world, an armed force at the Navy yard travesty would have meant many less lives lost.


37 posted on 09/17/2013 7:36:37 AM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: marktwain

:: A man came up to me, pointed at my holstered sidearm, and asked rather indignantly, “What is that?” ::

As this was a citizen-to-citizen exchange, the correct response should have been:

“Move along, ya nosey-nellie. Nobody wants to respond to your emotionalism.”

Seriously, when you are within your rights, you need not explain yourself.


38 posted on 09/17/2013 7:37:10 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marktwain

Dude, where can I get the ^coffee & guns” mug?


39 posted on 09/17/2013 7:38:00 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: who knows what evil?
If Washington, D.C. had 'open carry'; the twelve that died yesterday might still be alive.

No, probably not. The perp didn't start shooting until he was inside an access restricted facility. It doesn't mean that there wouldn't have been people who were armed, but most workplaces don't allow firearms inside the facility anyway.

40 posted on 09/17/2013 7:39:19 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Michael.SF.

“MAMIT”

It’s customary when you first use an unfamiliar acronym to expand it, with the acronym in parens.

WTF does ‘MAMIT’ mean?


41 posted on 09/17/2013 7:40:10 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Oooooo....great thought.

A quiet, one-on-one discussion consisting of: “Do you believe it is wise to publicly harrass someone with a handgun while, you-yourself, are not similarly armed? Overall, if the conversation escalated in emotion, I know what I would do...do you?”


42 posted on 09/17/2013 7:43:01 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marktwain

The masshole knew she wasn’t a danger to anyone or he never would have confronted her.


43 posted on 09/17/2013 7:44:23 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: marktwain

I have got to have that coffee cup! I checked all the links and no luck. Anyone know where this came from?


44 posted on 09/17/2013 7:45:43 AM PDT by strongbow
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To: Venturer

I have never seen the point of open carry in a society where doing so makes one stand out. I support it, but what’s the point? To stand out?

Here’s why. You mark yourself. If the bad guy is concealing, and determined to carry out his mission, you would be the first one taken care of, and before you knew what happened. Hardly a strategic advantage.


45 posted on 09/17/2013 7:45:49 AM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: marktwain

It’s not that common to see open carry in NH, but the people there generally have a live-and-let-live attitude. They are peace-loving—but not pushovers.


46 posted on 09/17/2013 7:47:32 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: RitaOK
Name one instance where that has been an issue. Ever.

/johnny

47 posted on 09/17/2013 7:55:01 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: wbill; PJ-Comix

On the interwebz, it is called a “bouncy”.


48 posted on 09/17/2013 7:55:30 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marktwain

Typical sheeple that believes cops magically obtain super human powers once they put on a badge to carry a gun but mere mortals with a gun are dangerous.


49 posted on 09/17/2013 7:56:24 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Clearly, option 2.

Remember, we’re talking Star-lotsa-bucks here, favorite hangout of the Birkenstock gang and other such pony-tailed Senior Citizens guys looking for a similarly unkempt “chick” in a hemp dress.


50 posted on 09/17/2013 8:01:22 AM PDT by ssaftler (Oh, hell YEAH!!!! This is absolutely Obama's fault)
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