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Armed Citizen from AR Interacts with Police Officer in AL
Gun Watch ^ | 17 September, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 09/16/2013 7:22:39 AM PDT by marktwain


On a road trip from Arkansas through Alabama, an armed citizen, on vacation with his wife, had an encounter with a police officer.

Officers on the street have always been more supportive of armed citizens than police administrators.   As state after state made it easier for ever increasing  numbers of citizens to be legally armed in public, the attitude of police became more positive as they gained experience with armed citizens.

In the words of Kopis, a contributor to opencarry.org, here is what happened on the road in Alabama:

So i rolled the windows down, took the key out and put my hands on the wheel, the trooper walks up and i stuck my hand out and introduced myself and said also, "i do have a CCW permit out of AR and my GLOCK is on my right side, do you want to disarm me?" and in a country twang, he responds "well, ill make ya a deal son, you dont draw yours and i wont draw mine" LMAO! i said that's a fair deal officer! He got my at 75 in a 55 and wrote me a warning, how awesome is that?
This sort of encounter is much more common than the negative ones that I usually write about.  Most police officers see armed citizens as an asset rather than a threat.  You do not hear these stories because they are not news.

They are less common in those areas that are still working hard at suppressing second amendment rights.  I would not expect this treatment in New York City, New Jersey, Los Angeles, San Francisco, or Chicago.

Police attitudes are changing.  Police communicate with each other, and every positive encounter with armed citizens, every incident where an armed citizen assists a police officer, adds to the momentum of changing police attitudes.  

The common experience of police officers is that legally armed citizens are the good guys and gals.  They are not the problem, they are part of the solution.  It starts with the police on the street, but more and more police chiefs and sheriffs are echoing that message as well.


 ©2013 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society; Travel
KEYWORDS: al; ar; banglist; ccw; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 09/16/2013 7:22:39 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Officers on the street have always been more supportive of armed citizens than police administrators.

A complete idiot wrote this line?

2 posted on 09/16/2013 7:24:31 AM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: Jemian

Bama ping.


3 posted on 09/16/2013 7:28:40 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: marktwain
“A complete idiot wrote this line? “

No, This seems to be fact. Especially outside of the major metropolitan areas.
Especially in the south, west and southwest.

4 posted on 09/16/2013 7:31:57 AM PDT by Tupelo (There are no Republicans or Democrats in Washington. Just Millionaires protecting their turf.)
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To: Tupelo

I suspect this trooper read the motto on his patch, and took it to heart.


5 posted on 09/16/2013 7:38:26 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: SwankyC

How so?


6 posted on 09/16/2013 7:38:27 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SwankyC
Officers on the street have always been more supportive of armed citizens than police administrators.

An ambiguous sentence indeed but both interpretations are probably correct.

7 posted on 09/16/2013 7:41:21 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: marktwain

That definitely is NOT a very intelligent way to handle it.
There are a couple of states that REQUIRE you to give the ‘heads up’ upon contact -without him/her asking (NC is one) but the ONLY state I would voluntarily give that info to is my home state (VA) as I am properly licensed and they probably have that data anyway.
If an officer starts asking ‘leading’ questions (we know that most of the time they ask a question they are reasonably sure they know the answer)and it is a VA ‘friendly’ state, I may volunteer that I am armed but in a NON friendly state (virtually entire NE and Left Coast) no voluntary info as you will more than likely become their ‘guest’ for a while.


8 posted on 09/16/2013 7:43:21 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Egoist:A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. (Ambrose Bierce))
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To: marktwain

The long term view of this is police become so blasé to citizen carry that mentioning it is just a social nicety, a way of identifying yourself as a “law abiding, polite person”, not a ruffian, blackguard, scoundrel or inebriate.

Guns and etiquette, the two things go together. In Arizona, pretty soon men will tip their hats to ladies, and children will address adults as “Ma’am” and “Sir”.


9 posted on 09/16/2013 7:43:42 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: marktwain

Seriously cool AL State Trooper Heraldry on the patch— look at the various parts-inside the Large Shield are: Lions Rampant (the old English empire), the Union Jack (again later UK), the Fleur de Lis of the French Louisiana (of which Alabama was a part) and the Stars and Bars battle flag of the CSA-— all these joined in the middle by the Shield of the United States (similar to the US Senate shield and other US shield applications). This setting has paired Bald Eagles who clutch a banner that says “We Dare Defend Our Rights”.

That is exceptional. Worth looking into the State police patches and emblems in our other States.


10 posted on 09/16/2013 7:44:20 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: xrmusn

Oklahoma is a state that requires notification of carry license upon first contact asap without the officer asking.


11 posted on 09/16/2013 7:49:27 AM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: marktwain

I had a similar experience. Pulled over on a lonely backwoods road, Sherrif dept car, I wasn’t paying attention to my speed, 65 in a 55.

He asks for the usual, license, registration and insurance. I say “sure, but first I’m suppose to show you this (handing him CCW permit), and the handgun is in the computer bag (pointing to drivers side floor), just tell me what you need.”
He then chews on me a little “... Do you know how much a 65 in a 55 zone is? $200, so slow it down”. He then hands me back my permit and turns to go, never even seeing the insurance and registration, I ask if there is anything else he needs, and he says I’m good to go, “...by the way, I like your bumper sticker (’Save A Cow, eat a vegetarian’)”. I say “THANKYOU!”
I’m not saying having a permit saved me from a ticket, (maybe it was the bumper sticker? LOL) but I do think that in these parts anyway that from all the background checking required it does possibly change the tone of an encounter with a LEO.


12 posted on 09/16/2013 7:50:27 AM PDT by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: xrmusn

Quite true. See my comments about the AL troopers patch emblem. Worth looking into to the political extent of what a patrolman might value vs. a desk jockey politician administrator who has forgotten his/her place in the scheme of things.

It is also very true that one must know the laws of each state that does not have reciprocity in the CCW or other firearms laws. Safe to say that a NC CCW has zero value in CT these days.
Heck, you can’t drive a camper with propane tanks through the Holland Tunnel (not that anyone sane would ever want to go somewhere by that route LOL).


13 posted on 09/16/2013 7:50:48 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: marktwain

The wife and I were returning from the gulf with a cooler full of snapper and grouper in the trunk....headed up 431 north toward Columbus. I had just bought a highpoint 9mm that looked like a mac -10...30 round clip and all..and it was sitting trapped between my seat and the console after having ran a 500 round box of ammo through it at sea testing it out(Flawless btw).

We were coming up a long hill just south of Opelika and I pushed the car up to 80 for the first time on the 65 mph road...just as an ASP topped the hill from the other direction. He passed me and bootlegged....very skillfully...and caught me quick.

“How fast you going son?”

“About 82 or so sir...and btw...I got this right here.”

“Just take the magazine out of it and clear the bolt...then set it up on the dash. Since you were honest...and you’re giving me some them fillets...I’m dropping your ticket to 75 in a 65(150 bucks less). Have a nice day.”

Well...we actually bs’d long enough to piss off the wife....about the fishing...the firearm....the famous former sheriff of my home county Earl Lee...God...football. Nice dude.


14 posted on 09/16/2013 7:57:08 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: marktwain

Thanks for posting this.


15 posted on 09/16/2013 8:02:07 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: xrmusn

Not the entire Northeast, I’m happy to say.

Maine, New Hampshire and Vermont are still gun-friendly.

Here in Maine, firearms are part of the culture.


16 posted on 09/16/2013 8:02:45 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a chain of convenience stores.)
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To: marktwain

Wonder if Obama will hold a press conference later today and state “that shooter could have been me”......


17 posted on 09/16/2013 8:03:03 AM PDT by snoringbear (E.oGovernment is the Pimp,)
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To: SwankyC; marktwain
A complete idiot wrote this line?

Just my two cents worth, but I don't think Dean is an idiot, complete or otherwise. I think very highly of him, and appreciate all he does to spread the word about 2nd Amendment issues. Your mileage may vary.

18 posted on 09/16/2013 8:10:39 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons.)
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To: Wildbill22

Part of it may be whether you are in an area where the police are heavily unionized and thus political. In those places, they become attached to their benefits and their pay scale and they do what their union tells them, which is what the leftist politicians tell the union, which is that guns are bad.


19 posted on 09/16/2013 8:14:23 AM PDT by Defiant (A rainbow curtain has descended upon the west, from Munich to San Francisco.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Not the entire Northeast
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From the Virginia State police website...I did think NH recognized VA but apparently not at this time...
Don’t think this is up to date either, AL now recognizes VA
(I had been informed).
Listing of states with which Virginia has Reciprocity Agreements (A formal written agreement exists between the two jurisdictions):

Alaska
Florida
Kentucky
Mississippi
New Mexico
North Carolina
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
West Virginia

Listing of states with which Virginia has mutual recognition (Jurisdictions have informally agreed to honor permits issued by the other):

Arizona
Arkansas
Indiana
Louisiana
Michigan
Montana
Nebraska
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Utah
Wyoming

Listing of states of which Virginia will grant recognition to valid permit holders:

Delaware
Minnesota
Washington
Wisconsin


20 posted on 09/16/2013 8:15:10 AM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Egoist:A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. (Ambrose Bierce))
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Here in Maine, firearms are part of the culture.

Amazing how not being at the top of the food chain will endure folks to their guns..

21 posted on 09/16/2013 8:22:31 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: IamConservative

My experiences have been very similar. I have yet to run into a conflict from any LEO over firearms. I did run into one drill sergent type cat in Wadesboro one time that gave me a chewing about not announcing my CCW. And I can’t blame him. I’d forgotten and it’s common courtesy IMO. Shouldn’t hafta be a “rule”. d:^)


22 posted on 09/16/2013 8:54:51 AM PDT by CopperTop
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To: marktwain
A good friend of mine is on the local PD. I had an interesting discussion with him about CCW holders. In Texas, if you're CCW it shows up on the computer when they pull you over. Don't know if it shows up when the plates are run, or if it is only tied to the license.

I asked him, "When you pull someone over and you find they are a CCW holder does it make you more nervous or more relaxed regarding the encounter?" He responded that he'd probably be a lot more cautious. I asked him to please go look at the criminal stats of CCW holders, as they are by far the most law-abiding group he's likely to encounter in just about any situation. Told him, he should take that in to account in his situational risk assessment. He said he'd think about it, and do some research on his own. Since then, he told me he's brought it up with others on the force. Score a big win for me!

23 posted on 09/16/2013 9:22:49 AM PDT by zeugma (Is it evil of me to teach my bird to say "here kitty, kitty"?)
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To: zeugma; All

” I asked him to please go look at the criminal stats of CCW holders, as they are by far the most law-abiding group he’s likely to encounter in just about any situation. Told him, he should take that in to account in his situational risk assessment. He said he’d think about it, and do some research on his own. Since then, he told me he’s brought it up with others on the force. Score a big win for me!”

Good job. You are moving the ball forward. The closer we can move everyone’s view toward reality, the better off we are.


24 posted on 09/16/2013 9:32:20 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: xrmusn

Georgia does not require a CCW holder to self-identify. During my wife’s and daughter’s basic handgun course, the former LEO told them the answer to “do you have a weapon in the car?” It is, “not that you should be concerned about, officer.”


25 posted on 09/16/2013 9:35:55 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The LEO in my state KNOWs that a law abiding CCW holder does not have to self-identify. I am tired of being polite and friendly while exercising the most basic or rights affirmed to me by the Constitution. The truth is that the media and meddling society will ALWAYS create disaster out of nothing and no amount of ‘normal politeness’ will change that. It is a regional, cultural and political matter in practicality; it is not likely to change. We have to demand and sustain our rights.


26 posted on 09/16/2013 9:39:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: marktwain

Based on the following excerpt and other studies, it appears that CCW permitees as a class may have the lowest rate of violent crime than any other class, including law enforcement officers.

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The rate that concealed carry permit holders are now losing their permits for gun related violations

Between, October 1, 1987, and November 30, 2008, Florida issued permits to 1,439,446 people, many of whom have had their permits renewed multiple times. Only 166 had their permits revoked for any type of firearms related violation – about 0.01 percent. I was just looking up the new numbers. Updating those numbers to January 31, 2010, Florida has now issued permits to 1,704,624 people. The number who have had their permits revoked has risen to just 167. In 14 months, just one person with a Florida permit has lost his permit for a fire arms related violation. There are currently 692,621 valid permits. That is a revocation rate of 0.00014 percent.

http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2010/02/rate-that-concealed-carry-permit.html


27 posted on 09/16/2013 9:41:35 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain

Well, a carry permit means you’ve passed a background check that basically means you are not ever going to be a problem for the officer.

So, in a way, the carry permit lets them breath a sigh of relief.


28 posted on 09/16/2013 9:45:14 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: SwankyC
Officers on the street have always been more supportive of armed citizens than police administrators.

A complete idiot wrote this line?

The Chief of Police in the city of Milwaukee (Mat Flynn) is actively anti-gun and makes no bones about it. The Sheriff of Milwaukee County (David Clark) is on record as saying "The Police can't be everywhere, civilians need to get a gun and learn how to use it to stay safe." There you have it...

Regards,
GtG

29 posted on 09/16/2013 10:35:23 AM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gaffer

I was looking at it from the point of view of “An armed society is a polite society”. That is, politeness is a function of being armed, not that by being polite we are somehow allowed to be armed.

Even the handshake allegedly came into being as a way to insure that the other person did not have a short dagger hidden up their sleeve.


30 posted on 09/16/2013 10:57:01 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: xrmusn
Vermont is one of the most gun-friendly states in the Union. You can compare gun laws in all 50 states here =>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

31 posted on 09/16/2013 11:20:25 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: xrmusn
Vermont is one of the most gun-friendly states in the Union. You can compare gun laws in all 50 states here =>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

32 posted on 09/16/2013 11:20:25 AM PDT by Ken H (First rule of gun safety - have a gun)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I guess you are right. It has been so much recently where LEOs are on the wrong side it is hard to go back.


33 posted on 09/16/2013 11:31:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
And returned.

Chicago chief of police McCarthy, “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster"

Not to mention that he threatened gun owners would pretty much be shot on sight.

34 posted on 09/16/2013 12:05:48 PM PDT by SwankyC (Democrats and Republicans agree, govt coercion is OK if it fits your idea of whats OK)
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To: Ken H

Thanks...I was ‘correct’ as to Vermont - according to my ‘Guide to Firearms Laws of the 50 states’, they state that Vermont - along with AZ AK ID IN IA KY MI MS MO NC OK SD TN UT & VT extend automatic recognition to ALL other states...
BUT as ‘anyone/everyone’ will tell you if in doubt CHECK with the state, either on line or get verification.
Must inform upon official contact are AK AR(contact// when asked for ID) LA MI NE(also EMS upon official contact)NC OH
OK SC TX(ID req)

VT also has a ‘statement’ that you can’t carry with the ‘avowed purpose of injuring someone’.

Like NY and NJ if you can’t prove you are coming from and going to a state that ‘recognizes’ your permit you and the gun are gone...AND that is only if the gun is secured to their specifications.

I frequently leave the ‘home area’ and always have my ‘friends’ with me - I will NOT leave the job without an invoice with destination clearly stated AND if picked up out of state, I insist on an invoice on with ‘home address, pick up address and destination address’ from the Company I am contracting to and I have my own invoices for ‘back up’.
BUT that does not relieve one from following the laws of the state you are in...That is why I don’t ‘speed’, weave in and out of traffic or give ANYONE an excuse for stopping me. Not only because of the lost time, I don’t want to get in a hassle (no matter where I am) if the subject of S&W or SR comes up...


35 posted on 09/16/2013 1:19:45 PM PDT by xrmusn (6/98 --Egoist:A person of low taste, more interested in himself than me. (Ambrose Bierce))
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To: Gaffer

That’s why, of late, I have been pitching for the idea of police training reform at the state level. A lot of these problems began in the 1970s, when the feds started encouraging police to be more aggressive, using SWAT tactics in routine police work.

Originally done to counter a few high profile police assassinations by radicals, it had just the opposite of its intended effect, with more police and civilians getting wounded and killed.

Already there have been some efforts to reform this, by taking police out of their cars, putting them back on beats, and getting to know the people on their beat personally. But it needs to become part of their institutionalized training.


36 posted on 09/16/2013 1:25:35 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I can agree with that


37 posted on 09/16/2013 1:32:33 PM PDT by Gaffer
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