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Welfare next for illegal immigrant farm laborers being replaced by crop robots?
Examiner ^ | September 6, 2013 | Martha

Posted on 09/06/2013 11:41:34 AM PDT by usalady

Is the debate about giving citizenships to millions of illegal immigrants becoming irrelevant as technology begins to replace the need for today’s human labor required in planting and picking field crops?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigrants; immigrants; labor; robots
One argument for legalizing the migrants that have crossed the U.S.-Mexican border unlawfully is that they are needed to plant and pick the crops that it is said Americans will not do. That may become moot as engineers begin testing a machine that uses laptop computer software and a robot to thin a field of lettuce. It replaces 20 field workers with one person.
1 posted on 09/06/2013 11:41:34 AM PDT by usalady
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To: usalady
Automation like this is a yet another reason why we should be restoring the import tariffs. We need Americans making as many of the products used by Americans as we can to soak up the excess labor. And if the products are made here, when the jobs are automated, it will be Americans owning the robots.

This is specific automation. But general automation is coming and when it does there will be massive labor dislocations and massive unemployment.

Imagine general robots with sufficient skill to replace every grocery and retail shelf stocker. And robots that could run checkout registers for grocery, retail and restaurants. That alone would be huge numbers.

The coming self driving cars will also cause massive labor dislocations. Body shop workers, traffic cops, lawyers, even demand for medical services will drop as driving becomes automated and safer.

2 posted on 09/06/2013 11:49:38 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: usalady
Automation like this is a yet another reason why we should be restoring the import tariffs. We need Americans making as many of the products used by Americans as we can to soak up the excess labor. And if the products are made here, when the jobs are automated, it will be Americans owning the robots.

This is specific automation. But general automation is coming and when it does there will be massive labor dislocations and massive unemployment.

Imagine general robots with sufficient skill to replace every grocery and retail shelf stocker. And robots that could run checkout registers for grocery, retail and restaurants. That alone would be huge numbers.

The coming self driving cars will also cause massive labor dislocations. Body shop workers, traffic cops, lawyers, even demand for medical services will drop as driving becomes automated and safer.

3 posted on 09/06/2013 11:49:39 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: usalady

WALL-E


4 posted on 09/06/2013 11:49:51 AM PDT by molson209 (Hillary Clinton)
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To: usalady

Still a bad idea: this time, the illegals will NOT be working and mooch more off the system.


5 posted on 09/06/2013 11:52:46 AM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company after the election, & laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: DannyTN
Automation like this is a yet another reason why we should be restoring the import tariffs. We need Americans making as many of the products used by Americans as we can to soak up the excess labor. And if the products are made here, when the jobs are automated, it will be Americans owning the robots. This is specific automation. But general automation is coming and when it does there will be massive labor dislocations and massive unemployment. Imagine general robots with sufficient skill to replace every grocery and retail shelf stocker. And robots that could run checkout registers for grocery, retail and restaurants. That alone would be huge numbers. The coming self driving cars will also cause massive labor dislocations. Body shop workers, traffic cops, lawyers, even demand for medical services will drop as driving becomes automated and safer.

The problem is we are entering a very dark period and possibly the end of the human era.

The industrial revolution over time made the human body largely obsolete and uncompetitive in the economy.

People adapted by going into the so-called "knowlege economy."

We are now at the beginning of the era where the human mind becomes uncompetitive in the economy.

When machines can think better than any human, we will have nothing to contribute and be unable to compete with those who own the machines.

6 posted on 09/06/2013 11:56:26 AM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: usalady
Examiner Blog


7 posted on 09/06/2013 12:07:28 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ClaytonP

We will split into Eloi and Morlocks.


8 posted on 09/06/2013 12:22:23 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: usalady
Way back in the 1950s, the argument was made that Eisenhower's plans for mass deportations (incorrectly named Operation Wetback) would be an abject disaster for the tomato industry.

The operation went forward anyway. It was highly sucessful and, for the most part, we do not use stoop labor to commercially harvest tomatoes anymore.

The reason: a mechanical harvesting machine was on the market within a year. The inventor had the idea some years before but wouldn't build it because it couldn't compete with cheap labor.

9 posted on 09/06/2013 12:22:37 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: usalady

Maybe we can use 3D printers to print a field of lettuce.

Better, maybe we can use 3D printers to print baskets of lettuce, thereby eliminating the both planting and picking.


10 posted on 09/06/2013 12:26:15 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: ClaytonP
I agree that this is a very dangerous time for massive dislocations in employment. Why congress is not considering this when debating immigration is unconscionable.
11 posted on 09/06/2013 12:26:52 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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People adapted by going into the so-called "knowlege economy."

We are now at the beginning of the era where the human mind becomes uncompetitive in the economy.

It's already happening.

We went from being paid for what our hands make to what our minds know.

But now specialized knowledge is increasingly accessible via the internet.

The last remaining career refuge might be for those who can creatively process all that "free" information to create new information.

But that will represent only a handful of people.

The rest of us will be living in government paid for 3d printed boxes eating government paid for 3d printed food.

12 posted on 09/06/2013 12:33:45 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: usalady
I saw the word Labor and immediately went here...


13 posted on 09/06/2013 12:35:32 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: ClaytonP
Well those that own the machines will run into the problem of not being able to make money off of the people who are unemployed and can't buy the things made by the machines. The machines will break down because those that owned the machines can't get them fixed and serviced because there are no trained technicians to fix the machines because the educational systems are all bankrupt! I think a grand balance is going to have to be struck between manual labor and mechanization!
14 posted on 09/06/2013 1:21:51 PM PDT by mdmathis6
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Well those that own the machines will run into the problem of not being able to make money off of the people who are unemployed

Money is just a proxy for human labor. When human labor is worthless money will be worthless.

The machines will extract the resources, manufacture the goods, grow the food and deliver it to its owners. All without the need for money of any kind.

The surpluss population will be exterminated. If we are lucky they will sterilize us and at least allow us to live out our natural lives.

15 posted on 09/06/2013 2:04:16 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: DannyTN

Remember first of the Year Walmart’s, Buy American Campaign. Most of their items are made overseas ..Buy American must mean you bought in it America.


16 posted on 09/06/2013 4:56:54 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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When Sam was alive Wal-mart tried hard to work with American producers to have price competitive products.

But Buy American campaigns and a few individuals willing to sacrifice to Buy American are not the answer. We need government to restore the import tariffs. Then all Americans will be playing by the same rules and will all be acting together.


17 posted on 09/06/2013 9:03:40 PM PDT by DannyTN
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