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A Southern farm is the beau ideal of Communism - the perfect commune
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Posted on 08/10/2013 7:32:53 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

In "Sociology for the South: or, The failure of free society", George Fitzhugh writes the following: (pages 244-246)

Domestic slavery in the Southern States has produced the same results in elevating the character of the master that it did in Greece and Rome. He is lofty and independent in his sentiments, generous, affectionate, brave and eloquent; he is superior to the Northerner in every thing but the arts of thrift. History proves this. A Yankee sometimes gets hold of the reins of State, attempts Apollo, but acts Phaeton. Scipio and Aristides, Calhoun and Washington, are the noble results of domestic slavery. Like Egyptian obelisks 'mid the waste of time - simple, severe, sublime, - they point ever heavenward, and lift the soul by their examples. Adams and Van Buren, cunning, complex and tortuous, are fit exponents of the selfish system of universal liberty. Coriolanus, marching to the gates of Rome with dire hate and deadly indignation, is grand and noble in his revenge. Adams and Van Buren, insidiously striking with reptile fangs at the South, excite in all bosoms hatred and contempt; but we will not indulge in sweeping denunciation. In public and in private life, the North has many noble and generous souls. Men who, like Webster and Cass, Dickinson and Winthrop, can soar in lofty eloquence beyond the narrow prejudices of time and place, see man in all his relations, and contemn the narrow morality which makes the performance of one duty the excuse for a thousand crimes. We speak only of the usual and common effects of slavery and of equality. The Turk, half civilized as he is, exhibits the manly, noble and generous traits of character peculiar to the slave owner; he is hospitable, generous, truthful, brave, and strictly honest. In many respects, he is the finest specimen of humanity to be found in the world.

But the chief and far most important enquiry is, how does slavery affect the condition of the slave? One of the wildest sects of Communists in France proposes not only to hold all property in common, but to divide the profits, not according to each man's in-put and labor, but according to each man's wants. Now this is precisely the system of domestic slavery with us. We provide for each slave, in old age and in infancy, in sickness and in health, not according to his labor, but according to his wants. The master's wants are more costly and refined, and he therefore gets a larger share of the profits. A Southern farm is the beau ideal of Communism; it is a joint concern, in which the slave consumes more than the master, of the coarse products, and is far happier, because although the concern may fail, he is always sure of a support; he is only transferred to another master to participate in the profits of another concern; he marries when he pleases, because he knows he will have to work no more with a family than without one, and whether he live or die, that family will he taken care of; he exhibits all the pride of ownership, despises a partner in a smaller concern, "a poor man's negro," boasts of "our crops, horses, fields and cattle;", and is as happy as a human being can be. And why should he not? -he enjoys as much of the fruits of the farm as he is capable of doing, and the wealthiest can do no more. Great wealth brings many additional cares, but few additional enjoyments. Our stomachs do not increase in capacity with our fortunes. We want no more clothing to keep us warm. We may create new wants, but we cannot create new pleasures. The intellectual enjoyments which wealth affords are probably balanced by the new cares it brings along with it.

There is no rivalry, no competition to get employment among slaves, as among free laborers. Nor is there a war between master and slave. The master's interest prevents his reducing the slave's allowance or wages in infancy or sickness, for he might lose the slave by so doing. His feeling for his slave never permits him to stint him in old age.

This drivel goes on and on.(If you read past what I quoted) All the positive traits of being a dictator, and a continual assault on individual liberty.The line about "the selfish system of universal liberty" is interesting, because that's exactly what modern progressives today believe.

But in citing this, I would also like to direct everybody's attention to a fantastic article on Breitbart, which is where I found some of these quotes. Titled "'The Very Best Form of Socialism': The Pro-Slavery Roots of the Modern Left"

One of the reasons I find this article to be incredibly important is because it helps offset something I have said repeatedly: That Progressives have imported a lot of ideology from foreign intellectuals. Germanic ideologues, Fabians, and others. But as I have also written, Progressivism has a distinct/unique American component, both must be kept within view to understand what they believe. That is, these are people who grew up and lived in individual liberty and sovereignty, and they came to wholly reject it. That's why they sought out foreign inspiration, as people are much better at tyranny overseas. One place to get a good idea about progressive inspiration at home is to read up about Edward Bellamy, this is one of my prior posts about him, I have several others. In short, one of Bellamy's most notable contributions is that he took the word "socialism" off of the package, put "nationalism" on it(despite it being the exact same thing) and that's how the American people were first exposed to socialism in a major way.

Now, it doesn't surprise me in the least that southern slaveholders of old would view their plantations to be the perfect communes.

Josef Stalin was a slaveholder.

Adolph Hitler was a slaveholder.

Che Guevara was a slaveholder.

Pol Pot was a slaveholder.

Chairman Mao was a slaveholder.

King George III was a slaveholder. That is, until we declared independence.

I could probably list a thousand well known tyrants and/or those favoring central planning(Or actually running centrally planned states, such as the ones I mentioned), but that isn't the point. The point is this:

Look at the language Fitzhugh uses. It's easy to point to the line where he calls a southern plantation the perfect vision of communism, but notice the next line. It's a joint concern. Notice what words he puts into the mouth of unnamed slaves: "our crops". This is collectivism. This has credibility not because you and I would say it does, that all tyrants are by definition slaveholders, but because when he writes about the concern failing, yet the slave still gets support, what is that? Welfare! Fitzhugh even uses the line of "from each according to his need, to each according to his means". That's wealth redistribution, right from Marx himself(Fitzhugh uses the words "profit" and "want"). Even if the crops failed, the slaves had wealth redistributed to them so that they could live their meager lives of serfdom. All the puzzle pieces are here to point out that this is not just some line of hyperbole.

George Fitzhugh was a collectivist. That's how all of the world's major slaughters begin, at least in modern times where we have a little bit better view of history. That's the foundation, collectivism. Collectivism is the root of all evil, because on top of that foundation you have the second foundation, centralized planning. Don't tell me that a slave holder didn't centrally plan the entire life of the slaves in his southern commune. That's exactly what happened there, the masters planned the lives of their subjects. From those two foundations is where all forms of collectivization form, be it nationalism or communism or fascism, fabianism, nazism, progressivism, or any of the others. Sometimes it's good for the collective for the collective to take the life of the individual. That's where collectivism becomes mass murdering.

Now it would be true for anybody to point out that Fitzhugh heavily criticized socialism. But so what? All socialists rebuke socialism when it fails as being "not true socialism". That's a trait that virtually all masterminds share. Only their vision of utopia is the true grand plan that will work, all others' failures were fake because none of them were as masterful. Read the book Philip Dru, Administrator, written by an American progressive, Edward House. It's dripping with this sort of thinking. Fitzhugh was no different than any other statist, except that his "state" was the plantation and not centralized government.

Also note the part about no competition. No true progressive can ever support competition, because virtually all dictators are unitary. You think Hitler wanted to rule the world? You think Stalin wanted to rule the world? That they didn't achieve the heights of their grand design doesn't change the nature of said grand designs. What makes the progressive the most dangerous of all the forms of centralized planning that I know of, is that any progressive at any given moment would love to rule all by themselves, but they will gladly sacrifice in the name of "progress" to see that the next progressive in line may achieve the final goal: abolition of individual liberty. I'm not kidding about this, let's get back to the Breitbart article. The authors cite one Charles Merriam, who served(advisory) under progressive presidents William Howard Taft, Woodrow Wilson, and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Merriam would write in one of his books the following:

The individualistic ideas of the "natural right" school of political theory, endorsed in the Revolution, are discredited and repudiated.

Page 307 of his book "A History of American Political Theories". Merriam, as the author points out, was highly influenced by Fitzhugh. Merriam hated individual rights, as did Fitzhugh, as did every tyrant who has ever lived. If you are an individual who recognizes your individuality and is willing to fight for - and even die for - your individual sovereignty, then you're a threat to the mastermind because you inhibit his grandiose vision of a god given right to rule.

In short, it should surprise no one that where slavery remained triumphant in the south, its leaders became attracted to communism - no matter how superficially - because the simple fact is that wherever communism and socialism reign supreme there are slaves being held. In light of progressivism though, what might be the most significant contribution is the one that's unspoken. The Breitbart article says that in southern slavery, we can see "the intellectual seed for the later Progressive movement". I don't know if I would say the seed, but there's certainly a seed to be recognized here.

What was the system of slavery that our Founders tried to get rid of, but the King would not let them? It was de-centralized tyranny. This is also what progressivism is, de-centralized tyranny. Hillsdale calls progressivism "bureaucratic despotism", which is a strikingly accurate description both in what it directly says and what it implies. Progressivism is not monarchism. You do not have one lone sole dictator, progressives instead work through the bureaucracies. So it is true to say that progressivism is a form of authoritarianism, but it's in pieces:

Progressives dictate to you environmentally, via the EPA.

Progressives dictate to you educationally, via the Department of Education.

Progressives dictate to you judicially, via corrupt statist judges.

Progressives dictate to you economically, via the Federal Reserve and subsequent banking etc. regulations. Dodd-Frank, Sarbanes-Oxley, and many, many others.

Progressives can now dictate to you under the banner of health, via Obamacare.

And that's not including the IRS and now the NSA's spying on all of us. These bureaucracies are the control layers which generally disguise themselves as being "good for you", "in your best interest", wheras the NSA are the ears, eyes, and nose, and the IRS is the teeth(backed by a steel jaw). If you don't comply, they'll see you, hear you, and sniff you out like a bloodhound. If you persist, you get bit.

Using their myriad of ABC bureaucracies; the department of this, the department of that, and the other; they have established piecemeal tyranny. It's distributed totalitarianism. Having thousands of these bureaucracies enables total dictatorial control.

Welcome to your plantation.


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: ibtz; progressingamerica; prozacchewables; wtfits

1 posted on 08/10/2013 7:32:53 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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To: LearsFool; YHAOS; knarf; locountry1dr; Kenny Bunk; OldNewYork; Zeneta; CommieCutter; SwankyC; ...
If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

2 posted on 08/10/2013 7:37:15 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
"The intellectual enjoyments which wealth affords are probably balanced by the new cares it brings along with it."

Is that ever true. Every time one of the entitlement class spouts a new volcano of covetousness, I think of how hard everyone in our family worked to get where they are, and how much was expected of us by our parents. They don't see that part.

3 posted on 08/10/2013 8:14:31 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Remember... the first revolutionary was Satan."--Russian Orthodox Archpriest Dmitry Smirnov)
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To: ProgressingAmerica; rockrr; Ditto
Great historical find!

From the point of view of practical, present-day politics, though, equating big government or the welfare state with plantation slavery probably loses more votes than it gains. It preaches to those who are already converted and really turns off people who aren't.

I'm not talking about criticism of paternalism or dependency, but about actually dragging plantation slavery into debates about welfare or the size of government. Reagan was careful not to go down that road.

4 posted on 08/10/2013 8:38:17 AM PDT by x
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To: x

I agree that we can’t equate big government through slavery on a wide scale. It’s accurate, but it will take a very long time to un-poison the well. But I do think it would be possible to disarm those who accuse us of being modern slave masters.

This is built into their ideology, not ours.


5 posted on 08/10/2013 8:56:52 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Slavery began again in 1964 with LBJ’s great society and war on poverty, that is when minority populations began to be taught their messiah and saviour was the gov’t.

Despite all the evidence presented, minorities refuse to acknowledge they have been enslaved and have no concept of freedom.

Those minorities who have been educated have two roads to travel, first they can embrace freedom and opportunity to excel in freedom and break the bonds of poverty, or second they become slave masters and overseers, both roads, it seems are prosperous.


6 posted on 08/10/2013 9:06:24 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Look at the language Fitzhugh uses. It's easy to point to the line where he calls a southern plantation the perfect vision of communism

President Lincoln approved of many socialist viewpoints, such as, one large an indivisible government, introduction of a graduated income tax, and use of the force of government to promote the "general welfare" of the state.

During the civil war Marx wrote about his support of the Union Army, the Republican party, and Lincoln himself. In fact, he named Lincoln as "the single-minded son of the working class."

Many of the communists who participated in the unsuccessful socialist revolution in Germany in 1848 sought asylum in the United States. Wnen the war broke out, General Carl Schurz, General August Willich,General Franz Sigel,and General Joseph Weydemeyer and many other socialists offered their services to the Union cause.

It appears that these people didn't think of Southern plantation slavery as the perfect vision of communism.

7 posted on 08/10/2013 9:20:53 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: x; ProgressingAmerica; rockrr; Ditto
From the point of view of practical, present-day politics, though, equating big government or the welfare state with plantation slavery probably loses more votes than it gains. It preaches to those who are already converted and really turns off people who aren't.

I have found this to be true.

I was discussing this thought with a co-worker yesterday in the presence of several others.

One of those others became quite agitated and angry with me.

I did not know before this that he was a Liberal/Progressive. I probably should have suspected because he is typically angry about something and avoids work whenever possible.

So I agree that it is problematic to use this line of reasoning to change the minds of progressives. But it seems that changing the minds of progressives will take leading them through their anger to a rational understanding of Progressivism as tyranny because any challenge to Progressive principles invariably in my experience elicits an angry response from its adherants.

8 posted on 08/10/2013 9:22:02 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: x
Interesting read. Thanks for the ping.

Seems Utopians have always found high sounding 'intellectual' arguments to justify any Hell on Earth that serves their vision of Utopia.

9 posted on 08/10/2013 9:26:40 AM PDT by Ditto
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Thanks for the ping!

Anyone interested might look up the history and fate of Arthurdale, W Va, a “planned” federal community, and a dream of Eleanor Roosevelt’s, brought to a nightmarish reality thanks to the indulgence of her husband, FDR.

Such commune paradises have been the ultimate hope of tyrants, from time immemorial.

The latest manifestation of “the dream” appears in the form of “Marxist/Socialists,” “community organizers,” “Liberals,” “Progressives,” “Liberals,” “Communists,” and the like.

10 posted on 08/10/2013 10:26:45 AM PDT by YHAOS
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To: ProgressingAmerica
from each according to his need, to each according to his means

I think the author of the blog post got this one bass ackwards.

Should be: TO each according to his needs, FROM each according to his means.

Meaning give to the poor (the needy ones) by taking from the rich (the ones with means)...

11 posted on 08/10/2013 10:34:38 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: ProgressingAmerica
BTTT
12 posted on 08/10/2013 10:42:32 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Alas Babylon!

Fixed.


13 posted on 08/12/2013 6:59:01 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a YouTube generation? Put it on YouTube!)
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