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The Tip Of The Iceberg Of The Coming Retirement Crisis That Will Shake America To The Core
TEC ^ | 07/25/2013 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 07/25/2013 11:14:41 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s offshore more jobs so that there’s not a chance in H*** that we have enough workers to take care of our retirees.


21 posted on 07/25/2013 11:41:13 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s offshore more jobs so that there’s not a chance in H*** that we have enough workers to take care of our retirees.


22 posted on 07/25/2013 11:41:13 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind

If I said “Give me all your retirement money, I’ll spend it, and then pay you when you retire out of whatever I am making then” you would laugh your head off at me


23 posted on 07/25/2013 11:43:07 AM PDT by Mr. K (4 election)
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To: SeekAndFind
Every one please remember to thank Lyndon Baines Johnson for moving the Social Security funds into the general income fund so he could do his "Great Society" and hide the true cost.

By the way, he was a DemocRAT.

24 posted on 07/25/2013 11:46:28 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
Anybody with an Obama bumper sticker is an f’ing idiot!!!

Well, it certainly seems to be the case around where I live.

25 posted on 07/25/2013 11:46:38 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It's Detroit voters who made the problem. THEY kept electing thieves.
26 posted on 07/25/2013 11:47:31 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

Well, the problem certainly isn’t limited to Detroit...


27 posted on 07/25/2013 11:48:56 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Sequoyah101

agreed... look, I am 60 and I’m one of those that will never be able to retire... never.... and I’m not crying about it, I’m more than willing to keep working. in fact, I think that would be best thing for me anyway.. that is to say, it’s good to keep occupied and have a task with responsibilities... most the retired folks I see, (with exceptions of course ) are 24/7 TV watchers. they get lazy, they lose focus, they begin to fade away....

Raise the retirement age to 71 to 73... that seems reasonable, considering modern healthcare advances.

and I’ll be d*amned if I’m going to pay taxes for someone who worked for the gov, to have a nice cozy retirement.. and that goes for teachers, etc... no exceptions...

but who am I kidding... of course that will happen... some of us are “more equal than others”.... sheesh Orwell had it figured out so long ago...


28 posted on 07/25/2013 11:52:08 AM PDT by Chuzzlewit
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To: SeekAndFind

Right, but the article was about Detroit.

Setroit is the poster city for fraud and corruption.


29 posted on 07/25/2013 11:53:04 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The test of every religious, political, or educational system is the man that it forms." H. Amiel)
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To: SeekAndFind

Retirement at age 65 is a thing of the past and I like a lot of baby boomers will be working at least part time until I drop or am euthanized by Obamacare.


30 posted on 07/25/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ (construction)
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To: SeekAndFind
No one can say we weren't warned. I read about the dangers of generous retirement benefit promises back in the mid-1970s in "Time" magazine if you can believe it (it was still a semi-conservative magazine at the time.) The article drew exactly the picture we're seeing today.

Of course no one (but me and a handful of others) paid the least bit of attention. America has been on a "Laissez le bon temps rouler" binge since the end of WWII. We've been living in an economic fool's paradise on borrowed and fiat money. That's all about to come to an end with tragic consequences for our country and the world.

31 posted on 07/25/2013 11:56:41 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: SeekAndFind

hey, the dems have a plan for this: grant citizenship to all the illegals. they can pay for everything by mowing lawns and paying taxes., problem solved.


32 posted on 07/25/2013 11:58:37 AM PDT by tm61 (Election 2012: we find it IS possible, to polish a turd.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This boomer has no pensions but savings through IRA’s and 401-K. No guarantees but at least no government or corporation can jack it away in theft-—at least at this point in time. Pensions via govt tied in to taxpayers funding them to stay afloat. Social Insecurity for the future funds is not a sure bet though.


33 posted on 07/25/2013 11:59:20 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: saganite
Plus, rich people are woefully under taxed.

Phil Mickelson, professional golfer, age 43. Won approximately 2.2 million dollars in Scotland over the past two weeks, by winning first the Scottish Open, and then British Open. Sounds like a nice haul for two weeks' work.

I'm sure it was discussed here somewhere on FR, that he will be taxed at 60% -- in the UK! This isn't even counting US federal and state taxes he'll pay in California!

You may have heard about the high tax rate in the UK, and what they'll do to professional athletes. Have you also heard about the tax he, and every other athlete also has to pay while in the UK? For those athletes receiving "global endorsement money," they have to pay taxes on that, as well. The compute that tax by taking the total value of their endorsements, and then divide it by the number of days they actually worked in the UK! Outrageous! Mickelson earned something like $44 million in endorsements last year, and has to use that figure as the basis for computing his endorsement tax.

And don't forget, the UK has VAT, property, and all sorts of income taxes. Don't think for one minute that US politicians aren't thinking of ways to tax us more. It's just a matter of time.

34 posted on 07/25/2013 12:02:59 PM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: SeekAndFind
Isaiah 3:5

" People will oppress each other-- man against man, neighbor against neighbor. The young will rise up against the old, the nobody against the honored."

35 posted on 07/25/2013 12:09:40 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: tflabo; Chuzzlewit

I’m the same. All self-funded. Almost every company has pulled away from defined pension programs and instead offers some form of accumulation plan. Even FERS has done it though many, including FERS, offer what amounts to a retirement insurance policy that you and I can’t get. We can only get a variable or flat annuity. Both are only for fools. Inflation will eat up a flat annuity and the variable is the same as equities, uncertain.

When I got out of university and hired on in 1978 and went in to HR to sign up in all the benefits I asked about the financial security of the retirement plan and the board of trustees. I got the strangest look from the HR manager. He said nobody had ever asked him that question before.

My FRiend, I am not the least bit sure at all that what we have saved will not be jacked away in theft. I think it will. I think someone will decide you or I have too much and take it away from us. That is where we are headed right now. Pure Communism. There will come a time before we are dead that there will be no private property. We need to be completely realistic, brutally honest about our state of affairs. It is dismal.

Not enough jobs
Not enough people trained or willing to work
Too many just content to make you pay for them to live
Stagnant economy
Over regulated
Over taxed
Destroyed health care program that cost more than normal people can pay
Waste
Fraud
Corruption
Lawlessness in every place you look
and
as a nation we do not know God.


36 posted on 07/25/2013 12:10:52 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: Lou L

I saw that article. He can offset the UK tax on his US taxes but still has to pay the California tax on his income, his caddys fee, and pay for his transportation etc. It looks like he might pocket 25% of his winnings. I don’t understand why he’s still living in California though. He made a big deal of complaining about the tax rate there earlier this year. The only way to remedy that is to leave.


37 posted on 07/25/2013 12:13:18 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite

You know, they may have much more than they can ever spend but it is theirs, they earned it. It is not the government’s or my or your money. It is theirs and nobody has the right to tax it away from them in a disproportionate way compared to what anyone else pays in tax rates.


38 posted on 07/25/2013 12:14:01 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: SeekAndFind
“The money simply is not there. Yes, I suppose that we could eventually see a “super devaluation” of the U.S. dollar and keep our promises to the Baby Boomers using currency that is not worth much more than Monopoly money, but as it stands right now we simply do not have the resources to do what we said that we were going to do.”

This is what I believe that will happen, but when? My best estimates are when social security runs out of money, 2033? And, as soon as 2027 unless we dump obamacare.

39 posted on 07/25/2013 12:16:00 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: VRWCarea51

Please see post #36.

What I want to know is what are you going to do when they just take your personal investments out of your accounts? They will tell you they are going to do it first, you can protest all you want but one day you are going to look and it will be just gone. You’ll be lucky if they leave you an IOU note.

The rule of law is dead. I think it is not going to be resuscitated.


40 posted on 07/25/2013 12:16:56 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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