Saying the unsayable about Hispanics

Bookwormroom.com ^ | 5-21-2013 | Bookworm

[Dick Vomer]

Well if two anecdotal hispanic females that were discouraged to further their education isn't proof that hispanics are worker bees then nothing is. How pathetic. Auto Body shops and landscaping...that's it.

My family must have been an off shoot of some aryan mix into the "hispanic" race. (whatever that is.) By "Hispanic" are you talking about those that are of Mexican descent that have been in Texas for over 200 years like my mom's family or like my dad's family who immigrated here "legally" after fighting in the Cristero War. Maybe the hispanics that are the educated and business class of Cuba that defected here or Argentinians I met in Florida who immigrated after the Falkland war.(he survived a British artillery shelling)

My familily's patriarchs never wanted us to "kiss the patron's ring" so all the males(8 uncles) were MADE to join the armed forces and earn a GI college benefit or miiltary career. The women were made to go to high school and then become teachers, nurses, accountants and they did that. My generation of our family was encouraged to go into business for ourselves or like me become a doctor, teacher, lawyer etc..

I mention this in order to dispel the myth of a hard chldhood ending up on the government nipple. In other words "kissing the ring of the patron". I have been told that my IQ is such and such and that's why things came easy to me. I'm sure that I may be at the far end of some range of IQ measure. But my point is that IQ doesn't mean anything. My dad was smarter than me and he was a platoon Sgt in the Marines. Why? Because he loved the Marines and his country.

This use of "hispanic" to lump everyone from Mexico to Tierra del fuego is counter productive.

If we have immigrants to this country follow some simple rules we would have no problem.

Have a sponsor to insure they have a job.

Speak English in order to function in our society.

Learn the constitution and basic civics in order to learn that we aren't a democracy but a representative republic ruled by laws and inalienable rights and not ruled by men or "a majority".

No public assistance allowed unless fully employed and a tax payer. All assistance can be provided by the sponsor or private donations.

The bottom line was show up on time, do your work, don't complain and be thankful for your job because that's feeding your family. The "family" is the most important part of the picture. It keeps you from falling into the drugs, pregnancies and other habits that will bring you down.

[re_nortex]

Maybe the emphasis on Americanization has something to do with why Americans of Italian ancestry are so accepted here today.

Realizing you're from Westmoreland County made the abbreviation a snap to decipher. Since I grew up nearby, I was very familiar with the fraternal organizations for the ethnic groups, notably the Italians and Polish.

As for assimilation, I can't help but recall the first four words of The Godfather: I believe in America, uttered by Amerigo Bonasera, the undertaker. Sure Puzo's/Coppolla's work is fictional but the entire quote is quite revealing:

I believe in America. America has made my fortune. And I raised my daughter in the American fashion. And what have the Mexicans given us in return? La Raza (The Race) and M.E.Ch.A., leftist radical movements aimed at destroying America and these symbols of their true feelings about the United States:

[Dick Vomer]

"You never see mexicans in the software biz either."

I guess I haven't seen any other than family members.

I know a couple of Americans that are of mexican descent in software or a related field. My uncle retired from the Air Force and worked for EDS until he became a consultant for setting up the software for Bancomer. Then he moved to North Carolina and worked on some project for Bank of America

.. my sister worked for Drexel Burnham Lambert until the FBI shut them down and has been project manager for Litton's retiremnt funds and Dell's as a SEC and FINRA regulatory compliance consulting services.

Sets up computer programs and analysis for them. I guess that's not software but it sure does seem she has to know a lot of "code" and flies everywhere with a couple of laptops and thumb drives.

I think she problably has two strikes against her from what I can gather being Hispanic and female. I suppose her Irish husband passed on some of his extra IQ points by diffusion.

[LadyDoc]

well, nothing new in this.

In 1911, scientific studies showed that the average IQ in immigrant Jews was below average too.

As for the Irish? We were so bad that when the British eugenicists talked of inferior iq’s in the poor, they meant the Irish in the British slums....

Intelligence can vary depending on what test is used, the primary language of those tested, and upon the nutrition/intellectual stimulation given to the child while young. A child whose mother drank alcohol, or who was exposed to lead and other pollutants, will have a lower IQ too...

It is not purely genetic, especially when you “measure” intelligence in a multi ethnic community such as “Hispanics”, which comprise a lot of people from different ethnic groups (including several AmerIndian groups, Spanish conquerers, and various immigrants who live there nowadays.).

Quick: Is Bernardo O’Higgins Hispanic? How about Alberto Fujimora?

[LadyDoc]

so Filipino physicians and their families have higher IQ’s than malnourished Mexican metzisos who grew up in homes where there were no books and not enough protein in their diet?

Who wudda thot?

[SunkenCiv]

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[ek_hornbeck]

The average IQ in Mexico is only a few points lower than that in the US.

However, the bottom line is that the immigrants that we get from Mexico are generally from the lower end of their bell curve and the dregs of their society. So we get their indigent, their illiterate, and their criminal. Their educated upper classes are happy where they are and aren't the ones who come over here. So it's not surprising that the average Mexican immigrant has an IQ in the 80's, and that their children are at the bottom rung of educational and economic achievement.

In contrast, immigrants from India or northeast Asia tend to be from the cream of their society, people with skills and education. That rather than intrinsic differences between Asians and Hispanics probably accounts for the pattern we're seeing.

[ex-snook]

Good points.

[ek_hornbeck]

The problem, they told me, was that immigrant Hispanic families resented that their children had to go to school. They came from an agrarian society and saw only backbreaking labor as the path to survival. While the news was talking about the gang culture turning Hispanics away from education, this couple told me that the problem was the parents.

2. In the mid-1980s, one of the girls at my law school informed us that she was the first woman in her family, not only to go to college, but to go on to graduate school Her Hispanic family was not proud of her, considering that she was a fool for wasting her time instead of getting a clerical job, getting married, and having babies.2. In the mid-1980s, one of the girls at my law school informed us that she was the first woman in her family, not only to go to college, but to go on to graduate school Her Hispanic family was not proud of her, considering that she was a fool for wasting her time instead of getting a clerical job, getting married, and having babies.

Having lived in New Mexico for several years, I saw a lot of this mentality. In those rare instances where children did try to better themselves through education, they were resented not only by their peers but by their parents. One kid who was going on to medical school told me that his janitor father's attitude, rather being one of pride, was "you think you're too good for us now, don't you?".

The situation with girls was even worse. When one of them gets pregnant at age 15 or 16 and drops out of school, the attitude of her family is "we're so proud of you, you'll have such a big family," while a girl who wants to have a professional career is regarded as a freak.

The sad thing is, this is the mindset of those that DO work. On top of that, there's the whole gang subculture of the cholos that resents even unskilled labor.

When I hear Aztlan activists wail about how gringo is keeping them down, I can't help but laugh. It's their own loser culture and mindset that's keeping them down.

[Aurorales]

“didn’t allow English spoken in his home”

Just the opposite in my house.

My mother was of full Mexican descent. She was born here in the US, but her parents were born in Mexico.

She spoke perfect Spanish, but refused to speak it in our house. My father was of Scottish descent. (or white)
She did not want my sister and I to learn Spanish. She was adamant about it. She would say “This is the United States, we speak English”.

When I asked her why, she said she didn’t want her daughters dating or marrying Mexican men. She wanted her daughters to have no part of that culture. Now keep in mind we were living in El Paso, TX, so keeping us very “American” was hard to do.

So here I am, woman in my 40’s, looking like I speak Spanish but do not. I don’t even have a Mexican accent. I now wish I would have learned it, but I understand her point.