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Saying the unsayable about Hispanics
Bookwormroom.com ^ | 5-21-2013 | Bookworm

Posted on 05/21/2013 10:04:09 AM PDT by servo1969

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To: servo1969

We’re constantly importing the dregs of Mexican / South American society, not the cream. And we’re surprised they collectively exhibit low IQs ?

Puhleeze.


21 posted on 05/21/2013 10:42:09 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: re_nortex
We have a winner.

I challenge any Hispanic organization to come up with something similar.

Whatever discrimination Hispanic immigrants may suffer today, it pales in comparison to what Italian immigrants suffered here a century or so ago. Maybe the emphasis on Americanization has something to do with why Americans of Italian ancestry are so accepted here today. Ya think?

22 posted on 05/21/2013 10:44:05 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Ohioan

Also, that most IQ tests measure the type of intelligence that best correlates with academic achievement; types of intelligence that relate to other forms of achievement are not necessarily measured.


That right there!

My neighbor in my new home in rural Kentucky only has an eight grade education, but he is one smart cookie. And his intelligence serves him very well here.

One of the great benefits of higher education, to me, is demonstrated in the concept of “music appreciation”. The more you know about the creation of music, the more you enjoy it. The more you know about how things work, the more you enjoy the world that contains those items. The more you know how to deal with them. The more accurately you can anticipate their future actions and adjust your life course accordingly.

But you don’t need to go to college to know how to drive over that shiny spot in the road in the dead of winter. And this touches on why I gained so much value back in 1970 from spinning donuts in the snow of the school parking lot. :-)


23 posted on 05/21/2013 10:44:20 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PGR88
Mexico’s social-welfare policy simply is to encourage its poorest, least educated, members to go to the United States, to have Uncle Sam take care of them. Therefore, one has to look at the specifics of the group that is arriving.

Good point. The wealthy and successful hardly have a strong pull to emigrate!

24 posted on 05/21/2013 10:47:32 AM PDT by JennysCool (My hypocrisy goes only so far)
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To: servo1969

You gotta be kidding.
Where in the article does it show the actual IQ differences?
And where in anyone’s experience have you seen higher IQ people become more “successful” than people with normal range IQs?

Think, man, think.


25 posted on 05/21/2013 10:49:43 AM PDT by gotribe (Limit The Government's Right To Bear Arms)
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To: servo1969

Having worked in the construction industry, I was always amused by this joke:

Q: Why do Mexicans re-fry beans?
A: Have you ever known Mexicans to do anything right the first time?

Asbestos suit in place; flame away....


26 posted on 05/21/2013 10:49:58 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: cuban leaf

On a similar tack, I sometimes tell groups to which I speak that if I was caught in a desert, I would certainly prefer a Kalahari Desert Bushman for a guide over a cultural anthropologist from Columbia. (I would also, inter alia, have more respect for the integrity of the Bushman!)


27 posted on 05/21/2013 10:54:46 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: PGR88; cuban leaf

Both good arguments.

The culture of peasant Mexicans or other Latinos is you can survive with hard work, which they do. Whether that is equally reflected in IQ is a good question, I think it is.

Critical thinking and curiosity are key to success American style and probably the same in upper classes in Latinos. Critical thinking and curiosity are downplayed in peasant culture.


28 posted on 05/21/2013 11:01:27 AM PDT by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: PGR88

Thank you. For the hundred and first time, there is no such thing as a Hispanic. What you say about Mexico is 100% accurate.


29 posted on 05/21/2013 11:09:36 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: TexasRepublic

30 posted on 05/21/2013 11:16:25 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Regulator

You never see mexicans in the software biz either.


31 posted on 05/21/2013 11:24:47 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: PGR88

Ha! Fred Reed (fredoneverything.net) discussed this. He said the “average mexican” has no more desire to come to the US for work than the average american has to go to Mexico for work. What we get is the dregs. Those that can’t make it in Mexico come here for the “quick buck”.

On a side note, if I may make a wild generalization, I see mexico as divided into basically two different races: native american (or central american) and European (Spanish). If the US were similar, the native american segment of our population would be a huge percentage of our nation’s demographic.

Again, it is a huge generalization.


32 posted on 05/21/2013 11:27:40 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Ohioan
Which is why most leftists favored the "blank slate" or tabula rasa theory when I was growing up fifty years ago. If you agreed with that "theory," then the only differences between different ethnic groups in wealth or achievement could be attributed to discrimination and oppression by one group over another. That theory has since been thoroughly disproved, but it hasn't stopped many leftists in believing in and promoting that theory. Of course, most arch-feminists still believe in that theory. Many, including Gloria Steinem, still argue that males and females are exactly the same apart from sexual differences.

If different rates of achievement could be attributed to individual, hard-wired genetic characteristics and not one group oppressing another, the edifice of lies that constitutes leftism would be thoroughly discredited.

33 posted on 05/21/2013 11:28:36 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: servo1969
It has been known for over a century that the IQ of certain groups were lower than European Whites and the Chinese. Most Americans cannot accept such a conclusion as it violates a number of deeply held Democratic prejudices. Most Americans fall on the "Nurture" side of the old "Nature Vs. Nurture" controversy. This article is clearly "Nurture" in orientation and overlooks that intelligence follws a normal distribution and even "Dumb Races" will produce a genius, it is their "average" that is of low intelligence.

Hans Eysenck, and others, in the 1960's established that IQ was in a large part biologically based and there were biological differences in intelligence between the races. One can hear the screams of rage against Eysenck to this day.

34 posted on 05/21/2013 11:42:37 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: servo1969

The world needs ditch diggers, too.


35 posted on 05/21/2013 11:43:09 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Maybe the emphasis on Americanization has something to do with why Americans of Italian ancestry are so accepted here today.

Agreed. But then, our Italian ancestors were not affirmed in maintaining their culture with bilingual schooling, government documents in every language, ethnic TV channels, and welfare programs. You worked or went hungry. We were expected to learn English and assimilate, to become American. Being American was the ultimate prize.

The race baiters pretend that no one else in the history of America experienced discrimination.

36 posted on 05/21/2013 11:50:33 AM PDT by informavoracious (We're being "punished" with Stanley Ann's baby. Obamacare: shovel-ready healthcare.)
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To: driftless2
You are right on the mark. This is why it is so very important that people who want to preserve their heritage stand up for scholars like Jason Richwine. The Left has been getting away with destroying the conceptual foundation for our heritage by screaming insult at anyone who addresses the realities of human achievement. Along the way, they sabotage the future of some of the very groups they pretend to be protecting and advancing.

We all have different aptitudes, different incentives--different personalities. The more we know about any segment of the population, the better we can acutally help them solve their problems. The mythical ostrich that handled his social problems by putting his head under the sand, epitomized failure.

On your points in Reply #33, see The Greatest Mischief Ever Wrought.

William Flax

37 posted on 05/21/2013 11:53:52 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Oatka

I worked with a Hispanic engineer who lived in Florida. There were times I had to ask him to send me an email (I was in California at the time) because I couldn’t understand his heavy Spanish accent over the phone. I finally asked one of his co-workers how long the guy had lived in America.

“Well, since he was born, and he’s in his 50s...”

She also said he didn’t allow English spoken in his home unless they had a visitor who didn’t speak Spanish.


38 posted on 05/21/2013 12:08:46 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: cuban leaf

“Anybody remember the book, The Bell Curve?”

Anybody remember “An Essay on the Principle of Population?”


39 posted on 05/21/2013 12:26:16 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

Anybody remember “An Essay on the Principle of Population?”


Nope. Missed that one.


40 posted on 05/21/2013 12:34:59 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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