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Lawsuit: EPA Conducted Gas Chamber-like Experiments on Elderly, Infirm...(flashback)
Restoring Liberty ^ | 10/06/12 | By Mark Musser?

Posted on 05/18/2013 7:12:11 PM PDT by blueyon

Lawsuit: EPA Conducted Gas Chamber-like Experiments on Elderly, Infirm at University of North Carolina

[T]he EPA has been conducting human experiments on people by piping diesel fumes from a running truck mixed with air into their lungs at a North Carolina university. The agency has ginned up yet another green crusade — the lethal dangers of diesel fumes. They even had a gas chamber set up to accommodate the environmental research project that shockingly recalls the death camps in Poland.

Read more: http://joemiller.us/2012/10/lawsuit-epa-conducted-gas-chamber-like-experiments-on-elderly-infirm-at-university-of-north-carolina/#ixzz2ThSWxmIY

(Excerpt) Read more at joemiller.us ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: corruption; epa; greenagenda; obama; obamasfault
If this is true (and google search had several stories about it) then this administration needs to be FIRED! To pay the elderly $12.00 per hour to gas them is sick. I do not know if this is the "New scandal" that is coming out or just an old scandal that no one has heard of. I am just in tears, we are not a kinder gentler nation any longer, we are as sick as the rest of the world. This is such a bizarre story, how can I find out if this is a real story or not?
1 posted on 05/18/2013 7:12:11 PM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon

couldn’t they have just pitched tents by the LA Port and fed ‘em free food and meds.. might have been cheaper and more reliable a test, if we are going to be doing tests, that is, that reach so far into that delicate balance between science and boorsihness.


2 posted on 05/18/2013 7:15:32 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: blueyon

Heck, they could’ve put particulate sensors in the Lincoln or Holland Tunnels, while monitoring the PA cops and maintenance crews who work down there.


3 posted on 05/18/2013 7:22:10 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: blueyon

Selection criteria ..... Tea Party, Patriot, Conservative, Constitution, .....


4 posted on 05/18/2013 7:24:49 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (IRS/Obamacare Death Panels selection criteria ....Tea Party, Patriot, 9/12, Constitution,...)
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To: blueyon

The article does not say when these “tests” occurred, but still, the government needs to be brought to account. This is despicable. It doesn’t matter if it was done during the Bush years (I doubt that), but with all the other scandals Zero is having to endure, one more can’t help him. Anything to make him look like the evil incarnate that he his.


5 posted on 05/18/2013 7:33:25 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: blueyon

This is what the Nazis originally tried using vans. The people called them soul destroyers.

The Nazis complained that it didn’t kill fast enough. If you’ve seen the movie, “Conspiracy” when they talk about the bodies coming out pink, this is what they were talking about.


6 posted on 05/18/2013 7:35:44 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

I am sure they could have just looked up this info from the Nazi records.


7 posted on 05/18/2013 7:37:29 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: blueyon

Blueyon,

Click on the two links in the main article and get this....

those two stories are from OCTOBER last year and we are just now hearing about it??!!??

Somebody in the 0 administration has been covering stuff up again....


8 posted on 05/18/2013 7:49:16 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Here’s one of them:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/m-the_ghastly_echoes_of_treblinkas_diesel_fumes_at_the_epa.html


9 posted on 05/18/2013 7:58:11 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

The second link:

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/arnold-ahlert/the-epas-disturbing-human-experiments/


10 posted on 05/18/2013 8:01:36 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: blueyon

It’s real. Local media covered it up quick. They always do for UNC...


11 posted on 05/18/2013 8:10:07 PM PDT by Deathtomarxists (yellow black or white hillary's pantsuits stink by night!!)
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To: blueyon

This article is really misrepresenting the research done, and the reason the lawsuit was filed. It makes it sound like people were being thrown into gas chambers with highly lethal gases, and that is NOT what happened.

Like all research, this study was being conducted with IRB approval, and the study participants had the risks explained to them beforehand and signed statements that they understood the risks. Because a medical problem arose with one participant, she was taken to the hospital for testing and observation. The problem resolved itself within a couple of hours. The physicians conducting the study published a paper on the incident to warn other physicians who might conduct similar studies that this problem is a risk of this kind of study. The patient’s life was never endangered.

Lisa Jackson’s testimony (quoted in the linked article), “In testimony delivered to Congress in September of 2011, EPA chief Lisa Jackson claimed that exposure to fine particulate matter of 2.5 microns–or less–was lethal” is also really misleading. She was saying the EPA’s rationale for trying to push such strict air pollution standards that we could shut down all industry and still not be able to meet the standards. The “lethality” of these particulates is based on studies showing that on days of high particulate matter density, more people die from asthma and other respiratory problems than on days of low particulate matter density. And the increase in numbers of deaths is so small as to be nearly hidden in the “noise” of the normal death rate. For instance, if on “normal” days, 1 out of 50,000 asthmatics die, on high particulate matter days, the rate might increase to 1.2 out of 50,000 asthmatics. That’s hardly “highly lethal.”

The entire lawsuit seems to have been filed for the purpose of making a political statement. While I normally like Steven Milloy, I do not like the fact that he stooped to engaging in political circus. That’s normally a tactic of the left. Yes, there are problems with the EPA overstepping its regulatory authority. But that’s not an excuse for circuses.


12 posted on 05/18/2013 8:25:08 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

I am trying to find more out about this...I think the case was filed in 2006 or 7.......heads need to roll on this


13 posted on 05/18/2013 8:28:16 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: blueyon

While the air being tested probably was less bad than in heavy freeway traffic or next to a bus terminal or airport (ever smelled what it’s like next to Chicago O’Hare?) it still has a ghoulish sound.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 9:20:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: blueyon

Here is the original case report, as published in Environmental Health Perspectives: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3279446/pdf/ehp.1103877.pdf

In case you are not familiar with how medical literature is written, the pertinent facts are these:
1) The proposed study and consent forms were reviewed and okayed by an ethics committee before any patients were tested. The study was explained to the patient and she had an opportunity to read the consent form before signing it.
2) The patient had a number of pre-existing conditions, including high blood pressure. Her father died at 57 from heart disease.
3) The patient herself was unaware of the medical problem when it occurred. It was detected because she was attached to a number of monitors. It fully resolved within two hours.
4) It is not clear that the incident occurred because of the study. The timing of the incident suggests a causal relationship, but is not definitive proof.
5) There is clearly no attempt to cover up anything. Obviously, had the study leads wanted to hide anything, they wouldn’t have published a case study on the incident.

There is nothing unusual about adverse events occurring during human medical studies, and, as adverse events go, this one was pretty mild.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 9:25:19 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

Milloy did the right thing. Its against the law for EPA to do this. Someone should go to jail.


16 posted on 05/18/2013 9:42:56 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: blueyon

So now they are going Guatemala on Americans??


17 posted on 05/18/2013 10:20:03 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: blueyon

bookmark


18 posted on 05/19/2013 12:18:45 AM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: blueyon

heard abt this at least a year ago or so


19 posted on 05/19/2013 5:02:24 AM PDT by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: I got the rope

There is nothing illegal about doing research on human subjects. All of the proper procedures were followed. No human subject was harmed.

Steven Milloy’s lawsuit is for pure political circus. He seems to be making a statement about the discrepancy between the EPA’s declaration that exposure to particulates is “lethal” (it is not; it *may* marginally increase the likelihood of death of a person with respiratory illness) and that they consider such exposure so benign that they fund human studies on it.

Many people would say that the EPA is going too far with air pollution standards, and the particulate standards is one area. Do you really want the EPA to ban fireplaces and barbecues, which are a couple of sources of particulates? Because that’s what people like Lisa Jackson want when they testify how “lethal” these particles are.

While I agree with the statement Milloy seems to make here, I do not agree with his methods. He’s a good blog writer. He should have stuck with writing a blog highlighting how the EPA grossly exaggerates dangers to increase their regulatory power, while their own policies show they don’t consider these risks significant.


20 posted on 05/19/2013 5:02:26 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: blueyon

You’re all just Soilent Green


21 posted on 05/19/2013 5:44:56 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Venturer

[[I am sure they could have just looked up this info from the Nazi records.]]

You monster! You want to deprive them o their ‘fun’ of watchign hte elderly slowly suffocate to death? They ‘had’ to see it first hand- paper reports just aren’t good enough!


22 posted on 05/19/2013 10:52:07 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: blueyon

There is a radio show that many people put down here that covered this a year ago. Your late to this news.


23 posted on 05/19/2013 10:55:15 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: exDemMom

Milloy is a biostatistician and a lawyer.

EPA says that PM 2.5 kills 570,000 people per year. They say it can kill you within hours of exposure. They say there is no safe exposure.
This must be the most toxic substance known to man based on what they say.

All the new standards you are talking about are based on this. Even the mercury rules are based on cost benefits from the reduciton of PM 2.5 and not mercury.

Now if this is true...why are they exposing people to 3.5x what the EPA is lethal?

They were not told that the PM 2.5 could kill them...thus this was not voluntary. EPA violated the law in this regard. Also they are supposed to do experiments on animals first. They did not. They violated all the human testing rules.

Now here is the big trap that I think Milloy is pointing out.

If EPA states that no person was exposed to deadly levels of PM 2.5 then there is no justificaiton for the Mercury MACT, the new NAAQS standards, etc. If they say it IS deadly then they violated not only their own rules (EPA order 1000.17)but also the common rule and the rules handed down after the Nuremburg trials.


24 posted on 05/19/2013 7:06:30 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
Milloy is a biostatistician and a lawyer.

I know who Steven Milloy is. If you are aware of the concept of "degree of separation", I am separated from him by one degree. EPA says that PM 2.5 kills 570,000 people per year. They say it can kill you within hours of exposure. They say there is no safe exposure. This must be the most toxic substance known to man based on what they say.

References?

I certainly can't find any such claims at the EPA's website, nor have I ever heard or seen such claims in scientific presentations or the literature. So, if you're going to say stuff like that, you'd better have some good, scientifically solid references for it. Something that causes 270,000 deaths per year would be the third leading cause of death (after heart disease and cancer), yet particulates aren't even listed in the CDC's top ten.

They were not told that the PM 2.5 could kill them...thus this was not voluntary. EPA violated the law in this regard. Also they are supposed to do experiments on animals first. They did not. They violated all the human testing rules.

What are we talking about here, particulates formed of powdered ricin or anthrax or something? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure they're just testing particulates similar to those everyone is exposed to every day on a routine basis. By law, all proposed human studies must be reviewed by an IRB--independent review board--which evaluates the benefit/risk ratio of all studies. They will not approve any study where the risk outweighs the benefit. And this study was minimal risk; indeed, the patient's condition was so mild that had she been at home when it happened, she probably would not have known anything was amiss. Far worse adverse events happen in studies all the time.

Furthermore, what makes you think particulate inhalation studies are NOT done on animals? No one violated any human subject rules--not even government scientists are allowed to bypass the law. If anything, we're held to the law more stringently than scientists in the private sector.

Seriously, hyperbole and exaggeration gets no one anywhere. If you're so convinced that PMs are the worst thing that a human could be exposed to, and the EPA is correct in trying to get rid of all particulates--do you also support the EPA's attempt to have CO2 designated as a pollutant? Do you believe the hysteria surrounding CO2 is justified?

25 posted on 05/19/2013 8:49:29 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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