You already know that but for some unknown reason you want to sugar coat the Islamic invasion and conquest of Iberia.
When it was over the Christians were reduced to those living North of the mountains along the coast of the Bay of Biscay.
They never recovered sufficiently to mount any sort of military offensive against the Muslims ~ that came from outside, from elsewhere in Europe.
Modern Christian Spain began with Leon and Castile ~ a fairly informative but very brief brief is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile ~ you did notice I didn't refer to San Cho Noe I, but they do refer to Sancho II and Sancho III ~ they came later ~ MUCH LATER.
The Reconquista was in full sway by Sancho III. Galician chronicles demonstrate it began with arrivals from Cornwall ~ and by necessary implication, Brittany.
All celts are not the same but the Milesian Celts are very important in all history of the Celtic speaking peoples. They came from the East and invaded the British Isles from the South and repopulated long gone populations around the Bay of Biscay in the early Medieval period.
The fact a particular valley has a Celtic name today really doesn't mean all that much in Spain since there have been so many Celts who came through or who settled there over the last 3,000 years! Places have a tendency to get re-named. The Bieber link is from Spain to Belgium and Germany ~ the Hapsburg Empire served as an opportunity highway for adept Spaniards who wanted to live somewhere else ~ so they did!
muawiyah,
As always you resort to even stranger claims to defend your previous off base claims.
you wrote:
“Vlad, when the Moslems took over an area in their initial thrust they killed off the existing nobles and forcibly converted the peasantry to Islam. Later Jews from around the Mediterranean moved there in fairly appreciable numbers.
You already know that but for some unknown reason you want to sugar coat the Islamic invasion and conquest of Iberia.”
Okay, let’s look at your bizarre claims here:
1) “You already know that but for some unknown reason you want to sugar coat the Islamic invasion and conquest of Iberia.”
You show me EXACTLY where I have done that. Show me EXACTLY where I have EVER done that. You WILL fail because I have never done any such thing in any thread I have ever posted in in my entire life. How, in good conscience, can you just make stuff up like that? Seriously, how can you just flat out lie like that?
2) I am to infer that you are claiming that because the Muslims conquered Spain and (according to you) wiped out the nobility that that had something to do with El Cid’s real name? Seriously?
That doesn’t even work for you because anyone who knows about the Arab Muslim conquest of Spain knows that the Vivar region was under Muslim domination for a little over a century and the native Christians not only remained Christian but didn’t lose their place names in the local dialects.
“When it was over the Christians were reduced to those living North of the mountains along the coast of the Bay of Biscay.”
No. The FREE Christians lived in the mountains and foothills, but plenty of unfree Christians - still speaking their own language and learning Arabic too - remained where they were.
“They never recovered sufficiently to mount any sort of military offensive against the Muslims ~ that came from outside, from elsewhere in Europe.”
That is completely false. Pelagius, in Spanish: Pelayo, the founder of the Kingdom of Asturias was from Gallaecia (Hispania Gallaecia) and launched the Reconquista in about 722. He was a Visigoth FROM SPAIN.
“Modern Christian Spain began with Leon and Castile ~ a fairly informative but very brief brief is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Castile ~ you did notice I didn’t refer to San Cho Noe I, but they do refer to Sancho II and Sancho III ~ they came later ~ MUCH LATER.”
All irrelevant of course as I already showed. Pelagius started the Reconquista and he was a native Spaniard.
“The Reconquista was in full sway by Sancho III. Galician chronicles demonstrate it began with arrivals from Cornwall ~ and by necessary implication, Brittany.”
The Reconquista started in the early 8th century - and was started by a native Spaniard a VISIGOTHIC prince. And I just don’t see any reason to believe your claims without some sort of documentation. You can easily search for what I posted online. Post some evidence for what you’re claiming.