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Supreme Court must strike down Proposition 8 and DOMA
WaPo Opinions ^ | 3-25-2013 | Editorial Board

Posted on 03/26/2013 8:01:11 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

.... Over the next two days, the justices will consider two of the weightiest civil rights cases in years, both about the continuing struggle of gay men and lesbians to obtain equal recognition under the law. On Tuesday, the court will consider the constitutionality of Proposition 8, .... On Wednesday, the justices will turn to the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA), a law enacted in 1996 that bars the federal government from offering benefits to same-sex couples, even if they were legally married in their home state.

The justices have many options as they consider how to rule. But more important than the particulars of their eventual holdings is the general direction they choose to take: They must move the country forward, not back.

.... A much more reasonable outcome than that would have the court point forward cautiously. .... But the justices can be expected to stop short of ruling so broadly that they would require every state to recognize same-sex marriage, when four-fifths of the states currently do not. .....

The progressive but incremental approach that these circuit courts, the Obama Justice Department, prominent attorneys and many others who would uphold gay rights have adopted represents an important phase in the evolution of legal thought on same-sex marriage. It cannot be satisfying to those of us who see a strong equal-protection case for same-sex equality. But, given concerns that a sweeping judicial mandate might cause a counterproductive backlash, it is understandable.

Gay-rights advocates are winning the argument. ..... Now, it seems not only possible but also likely that same-sex marriage will be legal, widespread and, frankly, mundane and that this will happen relatively soon. The Supreme Court must play a part in this civil rights triumph — and justices should not shrink from it.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; doma; homosexualagenda; nambla; prop8; sodomy; wp
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1 posted on 03/26/2013 8:01:11 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

Nobody remembers a thing about the Fall of Rome, do they?


2 posted on 03/26/2013 8:03:46 AM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’m tired of these little peons and their Kon-sty-two-shun.

We’re liberals and we’ll do what we want.

Now you fascist, hate filled bigots go pay your taxes - your government is broke. :)

/sarc(????)


3 posted on 03/26/2013 8:05:56 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Gay-rights advocates are winning the argument.

....among people who already agree with them! What an incredibly low standard. Next they'll be telling us the elves are big supporters of Santa Claus!

Exactly what 'argument' are they offering? They want what they want because they want it. Biology, history, culture, religion, and common sense don't factor in, apparently.

4 posted on 03/26/2013 8:07:38 AM PDT by relictele
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

The court would have to edit the 1st Amendment to take away Freedom of Religion.


5 posted on 03/26/2013 8:08:00 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Sir Napsalot
SCOUTS will decide if we are a nation Of the People or Of Obama.
6 posted on 03/26/2013 8:08:13 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

WILL! The fix is in and we just have to wait until June for the evidence in the decision.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 8:09:52 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

It kills me when I heard the liobtards say “a mojorty of the people are for gay-marriage”

IF SO THEN LETS VOTE!!

Every time it is on the ballot, it loses. Every single time.


8 posted on 03/26/2013 8:10:56 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I’m waiting for some fagola to state, “Our Dear Leader has allowed me to come out of the closet.”


9 posted on 03/26/2013 8:11:17 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: massgopguy
They've already done that WRT the prohibition of speech in 1919 -- see Schenck v. United States -- which was upholding Congress's restrictions on political (and non-seditious) speech.
10 posted on 03/26/2013 8:15:14 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: T-Bird45

:-(

You are very likely right.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 8:16:10 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Looking for this to blow up in their face.

Chief Justice is insulated from “hate” criticism, by presence of his cousin.

12 posted on 03/26/2013 8:16:29 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Thanks for helping socializing the left’s point of view. We need to be publishing articles promoting the desired point of view.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 8:16:36 AM PDT by TruthFactor (The Death of Nations: Pornography, Homosexuality, Abortion)
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To: Mr. K
Every time it is on the ballot, it loses. Every single time.

Something like 60/40 against in Michigan when it was on the ballot. However we also threw out affirmative racism nearly a decade ago and now its going to the supreme court.
14 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Gay-rights advocates are winning the argument.

Seriously? Then how did this even get to the SC? One of the most pro gay states voted twice, by means of Prop 8, against gay marriage.

If Cali can't pass a pro gay mariage prop, then I'd say the gays are losing the argument.

The people have spoken!

15 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:20 AM PDT by CAluvdubya (Molon Labe)
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To: relictele

gay rights activists are winning the argument...except in cases where Americans actually get to vote on gay marriage- there they are getting destroyed except for a few instances...


16 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:41 AM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Just a WaPo opinion piece.


17 posted on 03/26/2013 8:17:56 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

the editorial ASSUMES sexual acts regardless of type are an immutable trait that must be protected.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 8:19:22 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TruthFactor

Would it help if I add a ‘barf tag’?


19 posted on 03/26/2013 8:19:51 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Mr. K

And these same liberals also say that we shouldn’t be voting on the definition of marriage, because your rights are not to be put to a popular vote,

Liberals have inconsistent reasoning on this. People have voted against homosexual marriage in free and fair elections, which to liberals don’t count. Yet liberals will cite public opinion push polls as evidence that the public is on their side.

Face it, if there was such great support for homosexual marriage, state after state would have voted to allow it, rather than state after state voting to preserve the traditional definition of marriage.


20 posted on 03/26/2013 8:20:04 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Sir Napsalot

LOL, surprise, surprise... the editors at the WashPo think their fellow turd pokers should be allowed to get “married”.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 8:21:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Sir Napsalot
Gay-rights advocates are winning the argument.

Then how do the editors explain California's Prop 8?

The most liberal of all the states.

22 posted on 03/26/2013 8:22:01 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Sir Napsalot
They must move the country forward, not back.

Out in the wilderness this thought, "that we must keep moving forward and not back", is what gets people totally lost.

Religion and the cultural norms of society may seem a little out of date, but they have proved themselves over time.

As we stray further and further from our guiding light, things start to look stranger and stranger.

23 posted on 03/26/2013 8:22:16 AM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot
Nobody remembers a thing about the Fall of Rome, do they?

What public skoolz have failed to do can be rectified by simply viewing the film Caligula. If one has the stomach for it.

24 posted on 03/26/2013 8:24:20 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (The Constitution does not guarantee public safety, it guarantees liberty.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

I guess votes mean nothing unless they lose and then, even when a majority here have voted for it,, they just run with their tails between their legs to the courts.. where they can be assured of ‘equality’ and fairness.. or they’ll piss and moan until they do win..

matters not.. Planet X is an equal opportunity globe buster.. the cries of those seeking equality will find their pleas falling on deaf ears when that baby comes back.. that’s life in the big cosmos..


25 posted on 03/26/2013 8:24:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Newt Gingrich was right. We no longer need Constitutional Conventions to amend the Constitution. All we need is a majority of 5 in SCOTUS.


26 posted on 03/26/2013 8:24:48 AM PDT by csmusaret (America is more divided today , not because of the problems we face but because of Obama's solutions)
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To: Lurking Libertarian; JDW11235; Clairity; TheOldLady; Spacetrucker; Art in Idaho; GregNH; ...

FReepmail me to subscribe to or unsubscribe from the SCOTUS ping list.

27 posted on 03/26/2013 8:24:51 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: Sir Napsalot

too many homosexuals in the news organizations.


28 posted on 03/26/2013 8:27:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Mr. K

Every time it is on the ballot, it loses. Every single time.

Actually not true. Maryland, Washington and Colorado all voted majority for gay marriage in November unfortunately.


29 posted on 03/26/2013 8:27:30 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Mr. K

Washington voted for it last election.


30 posted on 03/26/2013 8:34:24 AM PDT by what's up
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

rome fell because of taxes.

better the hun you did not know than the tax collector you did know.

(ie. the infamouos funeral for a pet fly was a tax dodge for land with family masoleums having an tax exemption)


31 posted on 03/26/2013 8:39:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: what's up

they also voted for the muchie stimulas law, aka pot.


32 posted on 03/26/2013 8:41:31 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: TexasCajun

Our state didn’t get a vote, the governor simply declare it so.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 8:42:32 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Any idea when these rulings are expected from SCOTUS?
34 posted on 03/26/2013 8:47:13 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: napscoordinator

Maine passed ‘gay marriage’ by popular as well, Minnesota failed to pass an amendment. Colorado actually passed an amendment in 2006 by 56% to my understanding.

CA prop 22 passed by 61% in 2000, CA prop 8 passed by 52% in 2008. That’s swinging 9% in 8 years, it is probably repealable today, all they need is 50% +1.

Freegards


35 posted on 03/26/2013 8:47:26 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Sir Napsalot

“Supreme Court must strike down Proposition 8 and DOMA”

They don’t have the cajones!


36 posted on 03/26/2013 8:49:34 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Sir Napsalot

When, why and how did this become a “Civil Right,” allegedly the same as civil rights struggle for African Americans in the 50s/60s?


37 posted on 03/26/2013 8:52:00 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Liberty Valance

June, is the latest I heard re: ruling.

But hearing of arguments will be held today and tomorrow. Don’t know if there are more planned.


38 posted on 03/26/2013 8:52:12 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

The US is the fastest developing Pagan nation on the face of the earth.


39 posted on 03/26/2013 9:01:07 AM PDT by Rich21IE
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To: EDINVA
Because the Left can not win the arguments with traditionalists’ view.

After they re-frame it as a ‘struggle for equal justice, equal rights’, the liberals in liberal states can manage to pass the recognition of ‘same-sex marriage’ as law.

Note: this WaPo opinion piece did NOT offer the rebuttal for traditionalists’ argument.

40 posted on 03/26/2013 9:01:41 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Thank you for the kind reply.


41 posted on 03/26/2013 9:02:15 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Why is it I’m over and over reminded of the biblical message/lesson of Sodom and Gamora?


42 posted on 03/26/2013 9:06:58 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: relictele

They’re winning the argument how?

After five decades of lies and disinformation?

After five decades of manipulation/indoctrination of school children?

After five decades of media sexual saturation and normalization of sexual deviancy?

Going up against the Pink Mafia is a nightmare. A dear friend was “outed” after significant material support on Prop. 8 by that rat of a judge who ruled that a private nonprofit must disclose its donors.

The Pink Mafia then went after him personally and worked to get him fired from his top executive position. There was an internal trial for his job in which he was literally sent through an inquisition to prove that he wasn’t a bigot because he supported marriage. He made kept his job, but it certainly made him leery this time around.

It’s sick and it’s mind control.

Orwell’s dystopia is here.


43 posted on 03/26/2013 9:14:45 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Mr. K
IF SO THEN LETS VOTE!! Every time it is on the ballot, it loses. Every single time.

I am with you. BUT Conservative values have been taking a dive in 2012 - the perverts appearing to have won the public over, as most propaganda machines do over time. Remember the propagandists have been waging this perversion war for decades.

2012
- In November, Maine, Maryland and Washington become the first states where voters approve same-sex marriage, and Minnesota rejects a new ban. - President Barack Obama endorses same-sex marriage.


Why Do Polls Show Support For Gay Marriage When State Election Results Reveal Otherwise?
44 posted on 03/26/2013 9:20:08 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: napscoordinator

And a proposed MN state amendment to prohibit same sex marriage failed in the last election. But keep in mind, this is the same state that sends a buffoon & clown like Al Franken to the U.S. Senate (that election should have not even been close to begin with) and also sends a CAIR terrorist advocate, Keith Ellison, to the House of Representatives. AND we have crazy eyes, former Senator Mark Dayton, as our current MN state governor. I hate to admit it, but we as conservatives, patriots, pro-life, pro-traditional marriage of one man & one woman, are now decidedly in a minority position. God help us!


45 posted on 03/26/2013 9:22:21 AM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: All
FYI

Early tea leaves from Supreme Court arguments on gay marriage: Kennedy hints that he wants Prop 8 case dismissed?

46 posted on 03/26/2013 9:40:46 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Mr. K
Every time it is on the ballot, it loses. Every single time.

Except when it doesn't. Last year, it went 0-4. Lost every one. And nobody seriously thinks it would pass in California now.

We've lost that card, have to make a different argument. The will of the people is moving quickly in the wrong direction.
47 posted on 03/26/2013 9:41:13 AM PDT by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Latest news proves the SC is lacking any brains and it looks that the insane communists 9 circus court might stand and Prop 8, that the overwhelming California voters won, will be overturned and once again the communists of America won. America is finished.
48 posted on 03/26/2013 9:45:31 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: Sir Napsalot
>> Over the next two days, the justices will consider two of the weightiest civil rights cases in years <<

I stopped reading right there. More propaganda from the MSM being presented as "news". Does the DNC draft all their articles for them? It certainly seems that way.

49 posted on 03/26/2013 9:51:26 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

BTTT!

Anyone march in the March for Marriage today?


50 posted on 03/26/2013 10:01:41 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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