Posted on 03/19/2013 3:55:47 PM PDT by ROTB
You want to quote and interpret scripture? I leave you with something that doesn't require any interpretation:
1st Timothy 5:8: But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
This thread is disappointing. ROTB posts his piece, then a few comments, then disappears. Then everybody else gets on and calls ROTB names. It’s not much of a discussion. ROTB, why won’t you defend yourself and explain yourself? And everybody else, chill out, and discuss the issues based on what ROTB has to say. If you believe ROTB is wrong, explain why, but without name calling.
Unless these two things happen, it’s a wasted thread.
Amen River Hawk, Amen.
Remember the passionate informative discussions that were once FreeRepublic?
I miss the old FR.
Thanks, good point.
It also isn't a license to make tuna fish salad.
Where does this assumption to take up arms against the government come from? Nowhere around here.
We have an inalienable right to defend ourselves. This includes from enemies of the Constitution, both foreign and domestic.
The 2nd Amendment is essentially the expression of an inalienable right to kill people when they are violating the Constitution of the United States, if they are threatening our very existence and even if they happen to be domestic enemies of the Constitution.
The government is not immune from living by the Constitution, nor from the consequences of its use of deadly force if domestic enemies of the Constitution attempted to use deadly force against other domestic friends of the Constitution.
>ROTB, why won’t you defend yourself and explain yourself?
Tomorrow.
Today, everyone gets to make their cases in response to my posting, and tomorrow I’ll respond.
In the meantime, I have some other work to do.
Look at his prior posts. He posts this over and over and the main push is to get you to his webstie to join his group.
OK, looking forward to it.
So you say he’s pushing an agenda? Isn’t everybody? What’s important is how he defends his agenda. I’m willing to hear him out.
Jesus didn’t “tap out”.
We are the governing authority in the United States of America.
A country established under God but being turned over to Satan.
Those Who have done this will be judged.
I am praying and I am fighting them.
It is better to give scripture in full context.
Romans 13
New International Version (NIV)
Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
He was also crucified between two criminals, which could be interpreted as being “reckoned among transgressors.” But then your whole argument about swords becomes irrelevant.
No one here has said it does say exactly that. We do have constitutional license to prevent the tyranny of an oppressive regime such as the Marxist coup we witness being installed this very day.
Your attempt to cast contempt on those of us who realize the evilness of what is happening, and use biblical passages to dissuade us from using our God given rights to prevent the destruction of this once great nation is despicable at the very least.
Being that you choose to use the Word of God to implement this deceit, I’ll leave you with this passage from that same Holy document as it seems relevant to the political upheaval we find ourselves in:
Matthew 18:9
King James Version (KJV)
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire
“GO AWAY COWARD!”
It looks like the sniveling little sky-pilot has run for shelter.
That, or he is now eating Kiwi polish right out of the can and can’t type...
He will be back to try to get you to turn over your firearms and ammo and submit to and love Hussein's henchmen government and try to get you to his website to build up his numbers. He's another Hussein from a different direction, trying to convolute the Bible to convince you that you are an unbeliever or committing sin if you oppose the government. He gets his kicks this way.
There are a couple of things I think you should study:
1. The doctrine of self defense. I will not make you a Bible study on it. There are plenty of good studies out there. Search “biblical doctrine of self defense” or “biblical doctrine of defense of others.”
2. The doctrine of a “just war.” There is such thing as a “just war.” What situation in the U.S. would meet the conditions where you could/should take up arms?
3. The doctrine of the “lesser magistrate.” This is a little referenced principle wherein, when the greater magistrate has gone overall crazy or incompetent, a lesser magistrate may lawfully take over - and you may follow him. The best analogy of this is the takeover of a ship by the first mate if the Captain is abusing the sailors.
These are weighty matters not covered by sound bites, but they are real and need to be carefully considered. The doctrine of the lesser magistrate was the basis by which many of the seriously God-fearing colonists fought for their independence. Note they did NOT fight a war of rebellion - they did not try to take over England or replace the king. They just fought to be free of his (tyrannical) rule, in submission to lesser magistrates.
no, it’s not tomorrow...it is in the moment and if you wer sincere you would reply as it happened...that is the way debates go here. What you are doing is presenting your very weak “version” of Jesus, then sitting back and watching the reactions, rather than engaging. Weak weak weak...and Jeus took violence out on the temple idiots that were ripping off the people. What kind of example was that? Come on now...wake up .
I submit ROTB is woefully unread in the history of our Founding in regards to the War of Independence.
Had he read the Founders, even those like Dickerson who feared breaking Romans 13 in rebelling against the Crown, he would note several things.
One, it was agreed in light of scriptural admonitions God required of a king - that a king loses his right to rule a free people governed by God. As Minister Jonathan Mayhew wrote:
“As soon as the prince sets himself up above law, he loses the king in the tyrant. He does, to all intents and purposes, unking himself by acting out of and beyond that sphere which the constitution allows him to move in; and in such cases he has no more right to be obeyed than any inferior officer who acts beyond his commission.”
Mayhew in essence fired the first shot of the American Revolution - and used the bible to sermonize on the Rights of the Colonists to defy, defend and fight the Crown’s tyranny that was being felt across the Colonies.
In every instance of a tyranny of men, the rulers replace God and make the people worship the king or the state. Such is breaking the First Commandment when a people are born into the gift of liberty.
Top-down government, Caste or Central Planning is of Satan, and NOT of God. Jesus specifically calls this out among Christians in Matthew 20:25-26, and a government instituted among Christian peoples was to be a SERVANT of the people in accord with Jesus’ words.
The moment such government becomes a ruler of the people - they have lost all legitimacy to rule a free people, and submitting to such tyrants is to let Satan rule over the people, because without fail - such a tyranny of men will cast God out - and demand the king and the state be worshipped and obeyed over God.
For all the Christians who avow they will die for Jesus - it is instructive to know how many will not even let the concept of resisting a gift from Jesus from being robbed from them and their children.
Because Christians in America have bought a Satanic lie; that it is a sin to judge sin and evil and resist it. ROTB unwittingly perpetrates such a lie in admonishing Americans to submit to tyranny, and refuse to act against it. As the Apostle Paul wrote, a little leaven leavens the whole lump (Galatians 5:9).
Sin by it’s very nature is NEVER content to sit alongside righteousness or liberty. It will ALWAYS seek to subjugate and force itself upon a God-fearing people, making itself more important than God.
This is one of the reasons why the Founders, in their inspired wisdom, made sure our right to arms was enshrined as an inalienable right.
A right ROTB seems to suggest we should lay down.
Our "governing authority" is for all practical purposes the Constitution, and not some living, breathing, human authority like a king or governor. It is not possible for someone to be in a state of "rebellion" while faithfully supporting and defending the constitution, even if this means that someone is at odds with one official or all of them. You see, it is often as not the "authority" or government official who is in rebellion... against the constitution. Opposing such officials does not a rebellion make, though being a constitutional republic there are procedures to be followed before going "last resort."
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