Posted on 03/19/2013 3:23:54 AM PDT by Reaganite Republican
Since couples can live together and call it anything they wish why the call to get government out of the question of marriage?
Then good, however I want to undo all the damage to Contract Law that the Obamatons have done over the last five years, some Comrades are not more equal than others...
Look at the damage done that I want un-done.
* The destruction of Contract Law under the GM Bankruptcy. The Bond holders taking it on the chin, The unions gettting a piece of the action and the Pension going on were all not of Contractual Normalicy IMHO
* Undo the Sibilus Mandate which not only destroys Freedom of Religion, but changed the employee's and employers Contracts by regulatory Fiat.
* Undo all the Contractual Destruction under Obamacare, i.e. College Students can buy Insurance Policies again, Ditto that folks that work for McDonalds Etc with the low dollar policies, and undo the destruction to HSA's. While you at it, undo the destruction of the ability to enter a loan contract with a Bank for Student Loans via the obsconding of that entire industry under Obamacare.
Do those, then we can talk...
The first problem is that you think this is the GOP’s problem.
You have the right answer. There are too many people on this thread who don’t understand that government will *always* corrupt and twist any power that it’s given. The state has no business regulating and licensing marriage.
No offense intended. As a Catholic Christian, I very strongly believe marriage is a sacrament. The Lord may very well be bestowing graces upon you and your wife. However, if so, it is not because you spoke your vows in front of a judge. It is because you spoke your vows to each other and meant them.
When I said I wouldn't recognize a marriage unless it was religious, I really was speaking about my own children. They knew darn well we wouldn't recognize their marriages unless and until their vows were spoken in front of a priest. To practicing Catholics, a civil ceremony only = not married.
Also, some people say “get the government out of marriage”.
Exactly what is screwed up by the government defining marriage as between one man and one woman...?
Giving up what exactly? The recognition of the baby killers? Who cares? Since when does the state's recognition make your marriage valid in the eyes of the Almighty?
“Now, since the family and human society at large spring from marriage, these men will on no account allow matrimony to be the subject of the jurisdiction of the Church. Nay, they endeavor to deprive it of all holiness, and so bring it within the contracted sphere of those rights which, having been instituted by man, are ruled and administered by the civil jurisprudence of the community. Wherefore it necessarily follows that they attribute all power over marriage to civil rulers, and allow none whatever to the Church; and, when the Church exercises any such power, they think that she acts either by favor of the civil authority or to its injury. Now is the time, they say, for the heads of the State to vindicate their rights unflinchingly, and to do their best to settle all that relates to marriage according as to them seems good.”
—Pope Leo XIII,1880
For sure the homosexualists and statists love that the state is involved, I don’t see why they wouldn’t? It gives them the power to punish and keep punishing those who will never buy into ‘gay marriage’ or whatever other impossibility the state decides to recognize as a marriage. They love that the state defines the institution for so many and that they have been conditioned to accept whatever the state acccepts as marriage, even something everyone knew was impossible only 30 years ago.
I think that is the big reason why it will never happen, it’s got people on both sides who want the state involved for completely different reasons. One one hand you have conservatives who recognize that a good state can be condusive to a good culture by promoting marriage. One the other hand you have statists and homosexualists who see the state’s involvement as a way to punish and keep punishing those who will never buy into ‘gay marriage.’
Freegards
A bit late to the game there. That argument should have been made before a governor of California signed the first no-fault divorce law. It should have been made when congress federalized child support enforcement, thereby furtherer incentivizing the breakup of families. You're way late thinking you can use big government to "defend" something big government has destroyed.
The reason government is the marriage business is because the tax code is so screwed up. If everyone paid a flat tax, we wouldn’t have to worry.
But I am raising three of your future doctors, professional people and it costs a lot of money and time.
If you want society to be civil, then you give the parents who are raising able bodied kids- a break from the pure consumers of goods, in the society.
Why does anyone get married, unless they are going to have a family?
You may not have intended any offense.
But, if you don't realize such a comment is offensive, you are a fool.
It was offensive to some and I am sorry. But I will repeat if your marriage is valid in the eyes of God, it is because you and your wife spoke your vows to each other and meant them, not because the state validated your words. The state doesn't have any role in the marriage ceremony in Judeo-Christian belief.
They just need to stop trying to redefine it. They can remove all the tax benefits if they like, but the leftists want to abolish marriage.
Congrats on joining the radical pervert left on their goal.
Your apology is empty, and just as meaningless as the rest of your post.
The article state that once government gets out of the marriage business the homo issue is taken off the table. That wouldn’t happen. We have civil unions for that give homo’s the same rights with the exception of the marriage deduction. The master plan of the “gay rights” crowd is not just marriage but to make it normal for recruitment proposes. Since it is impossible to reproduce, recruitment is the only way. So you let states “marry” same sex couples and what about the push in our schools? Should we admit defeat on that and subject our children to all sorts of perversions? Of course paid for with our tax dollars. How about quotas of gays in child friendly industries in the name of diversity and affirmative action. Look Gays, three couple hookups, anything you do is your problem but keep the government out of my bedroom and keep your perversions in yours.
The homos could care less about monetary gains. They want our children plain and simple. Once homo marriage is legal they will assault the schools under the guise of bullying. Two homos don’t need any financial help. It’s like me living with my buddy. We split the bills, etc.
Your position is the fall-back position that will be necessary to protect churches from lawsuits should gay “marriage” continue to gain acceptance.
I don’t believe that we have to go this way.
Also, your position doesn’t address children. Adoption, child custody, child responsibilities, child psycology, stability, etc.
Because your position ignores the issue of children, it is incomplete.
I have had a problem with us fighting every battle by the liberal guidelines, and picking off these pesky liberals in the media, one step at a time.. DOMA, Gays in the military, Gay marriage, adoption, welfare, immigration, out of wedlock birth, on and on..
If we are going to roll the dice every time, and lose one at a time, I think we should take a major step and propose a sweeping change and change the rules once and for all..
THE DEFENSE OF THE FAMILY ACT! A one year moratorium on all existing laws that define our Government and the Culture, in a major way.. Stop all welfare to families that will not identify both parents, in out of wedlock births, to place a burden on the father, and not the state.. Make it more attractive to the family to stay together to receive government assistance..
Identify a family as a legal citizen, as well as a legal marriage, husband and wife, to get food and rents subsidies for a fixed period of time with no penalty for bringing a paycheck home, by reducing dependance over income and time until you offset the assistance..
If they don’t work, make them get up and do any job that needs to be done, with the threat of losing the welfare payments, or jail..
I think this recession has hit enough middle class families to get support from traditional families that hate this system that gives hard working families more taxes and lazy people their money.. It changes the fight on a solid bedrock of commonsense and not emotions.. Both moderate Democrats and Republicans would get behind this NOW in this financial environment..
Make this a line in the sand, now or never.. Get everyone to make a decision on where out country is going with a vote..
It sickens me to see so many liberals here waive the white flag on marriage.
To encourage the removal of government from marriage is to applaud same-sex marriages, cheer on the repeal of DOMA, and approve of the Welfare State.
As goes the American Family - so goes America. How can you approve of a welfare check replacing the father in our homes?
While you and you ilk may like living in LBJ’s Great Society; I remain against it.
I completely agree.
Until we make welfare benefits payable only to married couples and exclude single mothers, we will only add to and increase the problems.
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