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The REAL Civil War In The Republican Party
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-15-13 | Curt

Posted on 03/15/2013 12:47:12 PM PDT by Starman417

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The NYT's, that bastion of unbiased reporting...cough, has a story today entitled "Divisions in G.O.P. Are Laid Bare on First Day of Conservative Conference".

The largest annual gathering of Republican activists began here Thursday with appearances by rival presidential hopefuls offering their party starkly different paths back to prominence — and diagnoses of what ails it — after last fall’s demoralizing losses.

“We don’t need any new ideas,” Senator Marco Rubio of Florida told a room packed with cheering grass-roots activists, anticipating what he predicted would be liberal critiques of his remarks. “The idea is called America, and it still works.”

Speaking immediately after him, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky declared, “The G.O.P. of old has grown stale and moss-covered.” A “new G.O.P.,” he said, “will need to embrace liberty in both the economic and the personal sphere.”

The yearly assembly of the Conservative Political Action Conference, or CPAC, is a showcase of the Republican Party’s top presidential prospects, whose reception before a crowd of critical, future primary voters and volunteers is watched carefully by party leaders, donors and news media handicappers.

...Mr. Paul and Mr. Rubio, the most anticipated speakers on Thursday, displayed differences as bare as those within the party at large. Mr. Rubio called for a reassertion of the traditional, Reagan-era values of limited government at home while Mr. Paul called for a more libertarian approach that would shrink America’s role in the world.

The NYT's tries to find some kind of war of ideas between Rubio and Paul but that is just not the case. The real civil war is the one between the old guard establishment and true conservatives. Between the young TEA Party constitutionalists and the old bulls.

Just look at the disgusting display put on by John McCain and Lindsey Graham after their dinner with Obama. They went to the floor of the Senate and chastised Rand Paul for him daring to buck the establishment. Obama has circumvented Congress over and over again making appointments and regulations and the like so why shouldn't a congressional leader ask for clarification on the use of drones to assassinate American citizens on American soil?

Obama has broken almost every rule in the play book so many of us wonder how far this guy will go. Rand Paul asked for an answer and received one. Good for him.

But instead we get the old guard, McCain, Graham, Boehner, and old guard talking heads like Krauthammer raking him over the coals.

Ted Cruz dares to ask a very good, and pointed, question of Diane Fienstein and Krauthammer berated him for that.

On a side note listen to Mark Levin rip into Krauthammer and the like over this issue from yesterdays show:

[audio at site]

The establishment gave us McCain, gave us Romney, gave us losers. It's all status quo with these guys. No new ideas, no bucking the system, just pretend that we have a united front against the Democrats while all the while they vote with the Democrats.

JeffG said it perfectly in 622 words:

And even now, many of them are trying desperately to cling to power, to maintain the status quo, because it is within the current broken system — the one that benefits politicians while screwing over their constituencies — that they thrive. And they’ll be goddamned if any presumptuous set of “citizen legislators” — that is, those who aren’t looking to make a career out of living inside the DC bubble and adapting to its tony ways — is going to come along and upset their well-stocked, perpetually refilled apple cart.

They are concerned only with themselves and their own perks and powers. And just because they wear an R behind their name, or sport a flag lapel pin and mouth conservative pieties from time to time, doesn’t mean they are at all on the side of the people, of the Constitution, of individual liberty and autonomy. In fact, the vast majority of them reject such antiquated principles and instead seek to have a more efficient Leviathan running the lives of the masses. And that’s deplorable.

But against that is rising a new breed, many of whom appeared at CPAC and delivered rousing, principled, optimistic speeches that celebrated the US, that celebrated free market capitalism, and that blasted the old guard for presuming to run the party whose base has come to despise them.

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1 posted on 03/15/2013 12:47:12 PM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

I’m not convinced Rubio isn’t an Old Guard republican in tea party drag.


2 posted on 03/15/2013 12:50:21 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Starman417

Hey, wow.. you never make any comments:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:starman417/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change

Are you a robot that pimps a blog?


3 posted on 03/15/2013 12:53:29 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: skeeter
I’m not convinced Rubio isn’t an Old Guard republican in tea party drag.

Well, given his Amnesty Plan, and his ideas to soften the GOP's approach to Social Issues, we know Rand Paul is an Old Guard Big 'L' Libertarian in tea-party drag.
4 posted on 03/15/2013 12:54:06 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: SoConPubbie

Stop following me.


5 posted on 03/15/2013 12:54:53 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Starman417

“The establishment gave us McCain, gave us Romney, gave us losers. It’s all status quo with these guys. No new ideas, no bucking the system, just pretend that we have a united front against the Democrats while all the while they vote with the Democrats.”

Bingo!


6 posted on 03/15/2013 12:57:20 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Starman417

Ted Cruz and Rand Paul emerge the winner. Rubio?: HELL NO.


7 posted on 03/15/2013 12:59:02 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: skeeter

“I’m not convinced Rubio isn’t an Old Guard republican in tea party drag.”

Me either, skeeter.

Rubio has cuddled up to the open border lobby of CPAC & the SPLC to oust any group who is for amnesty. And it worked...the immigration ‘panel’ is ALL pro amnesty as is the head of ACU, cuban born Al Cardenas, a Rubio fan, who likes the ‘gang of 8’ amnesty.

It gives insight into big amnesty boss Grover Norquist, but also Marco Rubio, who according to the article, refused to allow what he called ‘anti immigrant’ groups such as Numbers USA, the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), and the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) a voice in the discussion. Rubio & Norquist are using SPLC material and propaganda to silence them!

Effort to change immigration law sparks internal battle within GOP

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/effort-to-change-immigration-law-sparks-internal-battle-within-gop/2013/02/13/2916d164-740a-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_print.html

[snip].

Conservatives who are taking on the groups, including Rubio, anti-tax activist Grover Norquist and officials of the Catholic Church, argue that the three organizations are motivated by far different philosophies than many of their Republican allies realize.

Rubio’s aides last week brought one of the organizers of the effort to undermine the groups, Mario H. Lopez, a party strategist on Hispanic politics, to a regular meeting of GOP Senate staffers, at which Lopez distributed literature about the groups’ backgrounds and connections. Rubio also raised concerns about the groups’ leanings during a recent conference call on immigration with conservative activists.

Rubio’s spokesman, Alex Conant, said the senator “has argued that some groups that oppose legal immigration should not be considered part of the conservative coalition,”


8 posted on 03/15/2013 1:00:12 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: skeeter

Ditto.

The proof is in the pudding.


9 posted on 03/15/2013 1:00:56 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: AuntB

I think we can follow the bread crumbs all the way to K Street.


10 posted on 03/15/2013 1:01:20 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Starman417

Republicants have outspent the rats over the last couple/few decades. I sure home that a new crowd of personal liberty folks take over!


11 posted on 03/15/2013 1:04:58 PM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: skeeter; SoConPubbie; Starman417; humblegunner
RE :”Well, given his Amnesty Plan, and his ideas to soften the GOP's approach to Social Issues, we know Rand Paul is an Old Guard Big 'L' Libertarian in tea-party drag.
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Stop following me.”

You folks are pretty entertaining on a thread titled :
The REAL Civil War In The Republican Party

12 posted on 03/15/2013 1:05:23 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: skeeter

Rubio is great and will probably be the next prez candidate.


13 posted on 03/15/2013 1:06:33 PM PDT by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: skeeter

Right. The GOP would favor Rubio over anyone else in the MISTAKEN assumption that it would draw immigrant votes.

Just mark that! They NEVER learn from their mistakes.... No immigrant will ever vote Republican!


14 posted on 03/15/2013 1:08:22 PM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Starman417
Libertarians are now out in force and trying to take over conservativism with their philosophies.

Many of them belong in the GOP tent but they won't succeed in getting their beliefs to reign there (or at least I hope not).

15 posted on 03/15/2013 1:09:49 PM PDT by what's up
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To: AuntB

There are a couple fights going on this thread over 2016 nominee, pretty entertaining.


16 posted on 03/15/2013 1:09:59 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: Starman417
The REAL Civil War In The Republican Party


17 posted on 03/15/2013 1:10:47 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

How about Rove as the next nominee ???, ‘the Architect’.


18 posted on 03/15/2013 1:16:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: sickoflibs
Personally, I'd prefer this ....


19 posted on 03/15/2013 1:17:50 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross

OK, maybe I goofed on that one.

How about jeb Bush ?
His Daddy and brother George were the BEST!.

‘Compassionate conservatism’ was a great idea.


20 posted on 03/15/2013 1:21:30 PM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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