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Birchers like Welch might have been right in general, but calling Eisenhower “a dedicated... agent of the communist conspiracy” or anyone who supported flouridated water a communist was nutzo. And it helped the left portray all conservatives as nutzo. Even W.F. Buckley and other big-name conservatives considered Welch a lunatic.
I`m too sleepy this morning, read this to fast. I thought it was from our HQ. I am a member of the Birch John Society. We are a group dedicated to the preservation of wooden toilet seats.
Defending groups like this, which history has pretty irrevocably labelled nutso is a no-win situation. First because you must begin by saying they were wrong, at least in certain circumstances. Butchers way overplayed the communism card, even if our descent into socialism bears them out. Environmentalists every day make far more insane claims than that water flouridation was inspired by communism, though I’m not sure they went so far as calling it a Russian conspiracy.
The one thing that really bugs me about McCarthy is how he made the case for George Marshall as an objective communist, if not a paid agent. And I don’t even particularly like Marshall. Butchers made a similar claim with Eisenhower, and it’s stuff like that which forever marginalizes them.
Opposing such overstatements is the long history of libs being wrong about everything, especially about stuff that mattered like tens of millions of people dying. But you won’t hear about it, except for a few of the more out there groups. Textbooks talk about fools like Walter Duranty not only without mentioning their lies and/or gross incompetent, but without properly identifying them as having any political bent whatsoever.
Meanwhile conservatism STILL gets associated with McCarthyism and Bircherism despite our movement very publicly repudiating them. And it’s supposed to be a bad thing despite both being quite a bit more right than various other trusted sources.
Interesting article
The attacks on the John Birch Society by the Wm F Buckley types always bugged me....because if you were truly conservative...you sure would not try to disavow the JBS
Of course, all the cheerleaders for Wm F Buckley (who was actually a NeoLiberal Globalist) sure have piped down as his son has shown the true Buckley family liberal colors
If memory serves me, I believe that John Wayne was a member of the John Birch Society.
If The Duke believed in it, it had to be as American as apple pie.
It all depends upon who writes the history. The MSM has written the history of the conservative/progressive debate for the past 100 years.
So why aren’t we busy creating our own media system, instead of pelting the MSM with spitballs, which has absolutely no effect on them? All we ever do is react.
We cannot win that way.
In retrospect, all of the "extremist" things they said came true.
In 1966, the JBS did not call MLK a Communist, but did describe him as 'pink', after studying his actual statements.
This was heresy at the time. Rank racism and all that.
But it is accepted reality now.
As for some of the more incendiary things said by some people in the JBS, well, so what. Smearing the Right when they are right is an old tactic of the Bolshevik Left. And that pretty much describes the Democratic Party now.
The Birchers were and are right. The Statist gangbangers - because that's all they are - still march on the Long March to their "Communist Paradise". The fact that it turned out to be Hell on Earth in Russia and China deters them not.
It amazes me that people don’t read and do their own analysis in terms of verifying whether facts are true or false.
I just keep asking simple questions.
Who were the founders of the Fed ?
Who were the founders of the Council on Foreign Relations ?
Did those same people purchase positions in the leading newspapers and obtain directorships in them ?
Did these same people finance Bolshevism and Nazism ?
Did these same people set up non-profit, tax-free foundations to manage their influences, and just how much influence do those foundations have ?
Why does the press hide the CFR ? Why does the press hide the foundations ?
Let me list out every Presidential advisor on foreign policy in the 20th century, see how influential they were, and were they a member of CFR or not.
There are several connections with 20th century Presidential advisors that would utterly SHOCK most people. But since it’s not taught in schools and kept secret by the press, the public remains ignorant.
In order to control a government, all one needs to do is be advisor to the people at the top. In order to control public opinion, one only needs to control the press. And if you control education, after one generation you can rewrite history, since basically no one reads old news articles.
Etc.
It doesn’t take long to arrive at conclusions that are pretty horrifying, or that would perhaps make a patriotic American who lost loved ones in wars not so happy. There is absolutely no valid reason for bankers to be interested in foreign relations to the point of advising heads of governments. There is absolutely no need for a central bank, when a government Treasury can create money. If the Treasury had simply created $17 trillion dollars over the years, we’d still have the same amount of money in the money supply, we just would not have $17 trillion in debt. You’ve got to ask yourself - how much profit is made off of $17 trillion in debt ? Who is making that profit ?
Most people just never take the time to really learn some very simple dynamics of control. For example, getting two people to fight against each other, supporting both of them without the other knowing, enables you to control both people - and have them owe you for supporting them.
Also, you can keep people totally unaware of what’s really going on by simply leaving out one or more parts of a story. This works well regarding the backstories for financial panics and wars.
Also, the best way to have a conspiracy and have it never be discovered - is float the conspiracy theory yourself of exactly what you are doing, simply without a few key facts. After that, anyone pointing out what you’re doing is branded a wacko conspiracy theorist by everyone, and your game can continue with virtual immunity from suspicion.
Not too long ago I was decidedly against any “conspiracy theory” about the Fed.
Just keep asking questions folks, research the facts.
If you can’t verify a fact, file it away for later, don’t assume it’s completely true.
Even discounting what’s not verifiable, once I started digging, it changed my whole perception of the 20th century, and I became disgusted by it. Even with most things being unverifiable, many events fail the smell test miserably.
I’m not a member of JBS, I’m just looking for the facts and I do my own analysis. JBS is by no means the only organzation against the international banking cartel.
If the American people all knew what was behind much of what went on in the 20th century, they’d understand the problem and be able to start thinking about how to fix it. The government (they are only minions) wants to protect their secrets at all costs, so be warned (keep family and friends close and fully aware and keep copies of key documents preserved); DHS/CIA/etc. is all over everyone on this stuff so you need to stay 100% legal in all that you do. This is about information and nothing else - what is needed is to shine the light of the truth on what is going on.
Very strange that “Reaganite Republican” associates himself with the John Birch Society since the official JBS position on Reagan is that he was a “phony conservative”.
In fact, Marian Welch (the wife of JBS founder Robert Welch) terminated her JBS membership because of the way that the new leadership of the JBS after her husband died, savaged Reagan in the pages of the JBS magazine, The New American.
With respect to RR’s claim that history has “exonerated” the JBS -— nothing could be further from reality.
For example:
The Birch Society is on record upon numerous occasions emphatically declaring that J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were our nation’s most knowledgeable, authoritative, and reliable source of factual information about internal security matters generally, and about the communist movement in particular — as well as on what constituted effective anti-communism.
However, more often than not, FBI investigative files falsify every premise and conclusion which the JBS has disseminated over the pst 50 years. And there are numerous FBI memos which reveal the utter contempt which senior FBI officials within the Domestic Intelligence Division had for Robert Welch and the JBS.
FBI FILES ON BIRCH SOCIETY AND ITS ASSERTIONS:
This 204-page report explains why J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials within the Bureau’s Domestic Intelligence Division concluded in FBI memos that the JBS was “extremist”, “irrational” and “irresponsible”
http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-1
CONSERVATIVE CRITICS OF ROBERT WELCH and BIRCH SOCIETY:
Contrary to claims made by the Birch Society about the alleged “left-wing” origins of JBS criticism, the most potent adverse comments about the JBS have always originated from the right-side of the political spectrum. This report presents a representative sample of such comments.
http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-4
Critics have included such prominent Americans as: Sen. Barry Goldwater, Cong. Walter Judd, Gen. Albert C. Wedemeyer, Russell Kirk, Eugene Lyons, Willmoore Kendall, James Burnham, Robert Bork, J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Philbrick, Frank S. Meyer, Cong. Gordon H. Scherer, William F. Buckley Jr., Patrick Buchanan, Fred Schwarz, Lee Edwards, the editors of the conservative newspaper, Human Events, George Sokolsky, Roy Cohn, Anthony Bouscaren, plus even many former Birchers such as: Alan Stang, Gary Allen, Milorad Draskovich, John Rees, William Norman Grigg, Mrs. Robert Welch -— and many many more.
DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
This report presents documents which, generally, have never been previously publicly available — including private correspondence between Robert Welch and numerous individuals and correspondence by JBS National Council members during the formative years of the Birch Society. This report is a work-in-progress and considerable new material will be added over the next few months.
JBS 9-1 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241/
JBS 9-2 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241a/
JBS 9-3 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241b/
Very strange that “Reaganite Republican” associates himself with the John Birch Society since the official JBS position on Reagan is that he was a “phony conservative”.
In fact, Marian Welch (the wife of JBS founder Robert Welch) terminated her JBS membership because she was so angry at the way which the new leadership of the JBS savaged Reagan in the pages of the JBS magazine, The New American, after her husband died. [The current JBS President, John McManus, once said that if the GOP nominated Reagan for President, it would be evidence that Reagan must be “a lackey” of the Communists!]. It should also be noted that Ronald Reagan denounced Robert Welch’s contentions about Eisenhower and other matters.
With respect to Reaganite Republican’s claim that history has “exonerated” the JBS -— nothing could be further from reality.
For example:
The Birch Society (and JBS founder Robert Welch) on numerous occasions emphatically declared that J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI were our nation’s most knowledgeable, authoritative, and reliable source of factual information about internal security matters generally, and about the communist movement in particular — as well as about what constituted effective anti-communism.
However, more often than not, FBI investigative files falsify every premise and conclusion which the JBS has disseminated over the past 50 years. And there are numerous FBI memos which reveal the utter contempt which senior FBI officials within the Domestic Intelligence Division had for Robert Welch and the JBS. See report below.
FBI FILES ON BIRCH SOCIETY AND ITS ASSERTIONS:
This 204-page report explains why J. Edgar Hoover and senior FBI officials within the Bureau’s Domestic Intelligence Division concluded in FBI memos that the JBS was “extremist”, “irrational” and “irresponsible”
http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-1
CONSERVATIVE CRITICS OF ROBERT WELCH and BIRCH SOCIETY:
Contrary to claims made by the Birch Society about the alleged “left-wing” origins of JBS criticism, the most potent adverse comments about the JBS have always originated from the right-side of the political spectrum. This report presents a representative sample of such comments.
http://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/jbs-4
Critics have included such prominent Americans as: Sen. Barry Goldwater, Cong. Walter Judd, Gen. Albert C. Wedemeyer, Russell Kirk, Eugene Lyons, Willmoore Kendall, James Burnham, Robert Bork, J. Edgar Hoover, Herbert Philbrick, Frank S. Meyer, Cong. Gordon H. Scherer, William F. Buckley Jr., Patrick Buchanan, Fred Schwarz, Lee Edwards, the editors of the conservative newspaper, Human Events, George Sokolsky, Roy Cohn, Anthony Bouscaren, plus even many former Birchers such as: Alan Stang, Gary Allen, Milorad Draskovich, John Rees, William Norman Grigg, Mrs. Robert Welch -— and many many more.
DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
This report presents documents which, generally, have never been previously publicly available — including private correspondence between Robert Welch and numerous individuals and correspondence by JBS National Council members during the formative years of the Birch Society. This report is a work-in-progress and considerable new material will be added over the next few months.
JBS 9-1 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241/
JBS 9-2 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241a/
JBS 9-3 https://sites.google.com/site/ernie1241b/
I assume everyone here knows that “Stormfront” is one of the most vicious neo-nazi websites in existence.
I happened to notice this morning that one of their contributors has posted a link to this thread on Stormfront because (apparently) some nazis believe that Reaganite Republican’s arguments are compelling!
See: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t944477/
I used to be a member.