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Goldman Sachs Made 400 Million Betting On Food Prices In 2012 While Hundreds Of Millions Starved
TEC ^ | 01/25/2013 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:38 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/27/2013 6:18:51 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, rising food prices has nothing to do with the fact that due to the AGW hoax, America now burns a huge amount of crops in the form of ethanol. It really the evil rich’s fault. Uh huh.


2 posted on 01/27/2013 6:23:55 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t know a lot about banking, etc—but something tells me that this entire article is pure BS!


3 posted on 01/27/2013 6:27:06 AM PST by basil (basil)
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To: basil
something tells me that this entire article is pure BS

Your instincts are correct. What is one man's speculator is another man's market maker. Futures and derivatives are financial instruments which allow actors (farmers, agricultural wholesalers, for instance) to disperse risk, much like insurance policies. Planting a crop is a gamble, as is contracting for future deliveries of agricultural products that do not even exist yet. Middlemen play a vital role by assuming some of the risks in these gambles.

Demagogues like Huey Long, Barack Obama, ad infinitum prey on envy and economic illiteracy. Given enough power they produce results like the Soviet Union, Maoist China and USA 2016.

4 posted on 01/27/2013 6:40:39 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: basil
something tells me that this entire article is pure BS

Your instincts are correct. What is one man's speculator is another man's market maker. Futures and derivatives are financial instruments which allow actors (farmers, agricultural wholesalers, for instance) to disperse risk, much like insurance policies. Planting a crop is a gamble, as is contracting for future deliveries of agricultural products that do not even exist yet. Middlemen play a vital role by assuming some of the risks in these gambles.

Demagogues like Huey Long, Barack Obama, ad infinitum prey on envy and economic illiteracy. Given enough power they produce results like the Soviet Union, Maoist China and USA 2016.

5 posted on 01/27/2013 6:40:43 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: basil
---having been raised on a farm where my 92 year old mother rents out the cropland, about a year ago I started watching commodity prices--corn and soybeans --.

--not surprisingly , as little rain fell , the price doubled---didn't really take a genius to figure out---

6 posted on 01/27/2013 6:44:38 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: SeekAndFind
We desperately need a good growing season next summer, and all eyes are on the United States. The U.S. exports more food than anyone else does, and last summer the United States experienced the worst drought that it had seen in about 50 years. That drought left deep scars all over the country.

As ranchers became increasingly desperate to feed their livestock, "hay rustling" and other agricultural crimes rose.

You can easily deduce that the author is a Leftist ideologe when he writes a story like this and does not include a single sentence about the thousands of tons of corn being burned as ethanol simply as a political balm to the Environmental Left.

7 posted on 01/27/2013 6:45:18 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is what Goldman Sachs did illegal?


8 posted on 01/27/2013 6:47:18 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

What is immoral is not necessarily illegal


9 posted on 01/27/2013 6:59:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Looks like he, Michael Snyder, is as much a economic doomster as a (perhaps) liberal. The blog, TEC, is "The Economic Collapse Are You Prepared For The Coming Economic Collapse And The Next Great Depression?" I am no fan at all of the big 5 banks but neither am I a fan of the "All bankers are gangsters" either. No bank should be allowed to get so large as to be a danger to the economy by being either too strong or too weak. Anti-trust is the tool to break them down to size and it should, judiciously, be applied!

A for this entry, should anybody be gored for making a good investment? This presupposes that Goldman Sachs did not have the power to cause or ameliorate the conditions upon which they made their profit (which I think is unlikely!) Would this gent have been equally incensed if they had made their bet the other way and lost a bushel of money?

10 posted on 01/27/2013 7:00:59 AM PST by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence but it is the road to our ruin!)
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To: SeekAndFind

If you look to investment banking/securities/management firms for moral guidance, you’re doing something wrong.


11 posted on 01/27/2013 7:02:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: SES1066

wise words! A lot of Republicans are frightened of anti-trust out of sheer principal, but I think we should look to Teddy Roosevelt for our inspiration when it comes to the financial services industry.

Either break them up, or regulate them into being utilities, with the risk-taking parts of them cut away from government backing.


12 posted on 01/27/2013 7:09:19 AM PST by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

Are you making an accusation of immorality?


13 posted on 01/27/2013 7:19:27 AM PST by impimp
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To: babble-on

I fear you and the mindset that led to your comments.


14 posted on 01/27/2013 7:20:48 AM PST by impimp
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I don’t think that would work, the idea of making them utilities. One of the reasons that people can make money is that they have the option of determining the amount of risk they wish to be exposed to relative to the possible profits that they might derive from that risk.

Turning the financial services industry into a utility would mean removing the risk, and I simply don’t think that would work. I am not one of those people who thinks there should be no regulation on the industry, I model my outlook on this viewpoint after those held by the framers of the Constitution. The framers of the Constitution by no means felt that government and of itself was bad, they felt that man is of a basically corruptible nature, and cannot be trusted by default.

I feel much the same way about financial institutions. Greed, sex, and lust for power are things that human beings are susceptible to as levers to immoral behavior, and if we set things up a certain way, we should not do it so as to encourage a breeding environment for immoral behavior.

I understand what you’re trying to say, but I don’t think that’s the correct approach. I will say that I do believe that the government should not be involved hand-in-hand with these institutions. That leads to things like bailouts and political decisions by politicians about who is and who isn’t too big to fail, as well is making it easy for people (both politicians and financiers) to get their hands in the public till.


15 posted on 01/27/2013 7:23:01 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: basil
I don’t know a lot about banking, etc—but something tells me that this entire article is pure BS!

You are correct. GS investments have nothing to do with children starving. It is just anti-business tripe.

16 posted on 01/27/2013 7:28:18 AM PST by mnehring
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To: SES1066
“This presupposes that Goldman Sachs did not have the power to cause or ameliorate the conditions upon which they made their profit”.

I don't have the time to do the homework on the subject, but a little behind the scenes digging will reveal that the true sins of the big banksters lies in the buying and selling of political power.

The lieberals presume that the evil rich banksters manipulate republicans to ensure their pockets stay filled.
In reality, it was a meeting of bankers and securities “big whigs” that was held in the fall before Obama even declared his candidacy for the 2008 election cycle that decided the money was going to back him and not Hitlery.

Consider the timing of the “financial crises” in the run up to the 2008 election. Who benefited?
Consider the “cause” of the crises. Who benefited from the subsequent bailouts?

Why, in spite of being at the upper echelon of companies that packaged and sold securities that any insider would have known were worthless - has no one been held accountable for the loss of trillions of dollars?

What the bankers and commodities traders are doing is perfectly legal, in theory. But as others have mentioned, too often there are government policies in place that are unduly influencing the markets.

I am not a conspiracy theorist. I believe in capitalism and the free market principles thereof. But what we have is actually crony capitalism and the blatant obvious buying of legislation to control and protect the players.

17 posted on 01/27/2013 7:57:31 AM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
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To: SeekAndFind
from 2005 to 2008, the worldwide price of food rose 80 percent --and has kept rising.

This can't be true. The GE promoters told us they would lower costs and feed the world. /sarc/

18 posted on 01/27/2013 8:05:16 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: basil

Pure BS. $400 million isn’t even a drop in the bucket compared to global food supply. Just the US feed grains crop is worth $70-80 billion.

Food of all kinds has never been more plentiful worldwide.

People who are starving are the victims of their local political arrangements, not because there’s a food shortage.


19 posted on 01/27/2013 8:06:41 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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Same as ENVIRONMENTALISTS who won’t allow DDT for mosquitoes in developing countries....Betcha Bill Gates would NOT use just a NET over his sleeping child to protect them from being bitten....but he provides nets to the third world so he can pretend he is helping. POS.


20 posted on 01/27/2013 8:24:12 AM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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