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Brown Pride (Cain Velasquez and the issue of identity)
American Rattlesnake ^ | December 30, 2012 | Gerard Perry

Posted on 12/30/2012 2:24:01 PM PST by OddLane

We don’t often cover the sporting news at American Rattlesnake, but after Cain Velasquez’s decisive victory over mixed martial arts rival Junior Dos Santos yesterday I thought it appropriate to revisit a post from last year where we examined the identity politics behind these fighters’ first matchup.

Although MMA pioneer and uber-promoter Dana White would like us to believe that the ’Brown Pride’ tattoo emblazoned upon this fighter’s chest is nothing more than an innocuous expression of ethnic pride-akin to the collective sense of accomplishment felt by those in Little Italy or Chinatown when a native son succeeds on the national stage-you have to wonder if this is truly the case. After all, this tattoo doesn’t express “Mexican-American Pride,” or even “Mexican Pride,” but is instead an explicitly racial affirmation.

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TOPICS: Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: americanrattlesnake; cainvelasquez; mexico

1 posted on 12/30/2012 2:24:11 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Frankly, I find ethnic pride of any kind (country of origin or racial or religious),un-American. Although my roots are European, they arrived between 90 and 150 years ago, so as much as European history remains fascinating, I don’t identify with them now, nor do they consider me one of them. I’m American, period. E Pluribus Unum, “From Many, One.”

The diversity BS, the class war BS, the racial BS, all designed to destroy this country, tear it apart, and make it obamaland, or the soviet union, take your pick, not much difference from I can see. A tragedy in the making continues....


2 posted on 12/30/2012 2:34:24 PM PST by john drake
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To: john drake

While I understand your reasoning. That way of thinking is not the future. The future is all about Tribe/Race. Nationality means nothing in multicultural societies.


3 posted on 12/30/2012 4:15:42 PM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: DwFry

I’m afraid you’re correct, and the future of the U.S. will not be bright. In my lifetime I’ve seen the changes that I didn’t think ever possible, and they aren’t good and continue to slide. I fear for my children and future grandchildren as to what beholds them. Faith is the only thing that keeps the picture relatively bright, thru any darkness.


4 posted on 12/30/2012 4:32:59 PM PST by john drake
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To: OddLane

So... a fighter with “White Pride” would be okay, too?

The whole “proud of my ancestors’ race and/or skin color” thing is stupid. Nobody had any control over what race they were born into so it can’t be a source of ligitimate pride. Pride should be a result of what is earned, not of what a person had no control over.


5 posted on 12/30/2012 5:19:01 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Leftists: Stupid or Evil. Sometimes both. ))))
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To: Two Kids' Dad

A question... are you equating a neo-nazi wearing “White Pride” tattoo to a chicano wearing “Brown Pride” tattoo?


6 posted on 12/30/2012 5:50:16 PM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

What’s the difference?


7 posted on 12/30/2012 5:57:31 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: philetus

“What’s the difference?”

Well, the biggest difference is that the neo-nazi tattoos have considerably more racial hatred than the mexican tattoos. Of course you did not know that. /sarcasm


8 posted on 12/30/2012 6:02:15 PM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

A lot of those brown pride gents are just as bad.


9 posted on 12/30/2012 6:04:25 PM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll eventually get what you deserve)
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To: sagar

Was the “White Pride” tattoo in question actually worn by a neo-nazi or are you providing the Nazi designation yourself? I’ll admit I don’t know much about the MMA controversy.

Again, the future is all about Tribe & Race. White people better get it together and yes, that means racial pride/solidarity, whatever you wanna call it, soon or we are South Africa.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 6:33:09 PM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: OddLane

He was born in the U.S. but waves the Mexican flag at his fights. This and the “Brown Pride” tattoo has always made me dislike him.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 7:09:01 PM PST by manic4organic (It was nice knowing you, America.)
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To: OddLane

I was hoping JDS would knock him out, like he did in their first fight, unfortunately Cain won. Hopefully, Cain will be put to sleep by an Alistair Overeem knee in the near future.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 7:15:05 PM PST by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: manic4organic
Me too.

Plus, the guy looks like a complete schlub.

13 posted on 12/30/2012 8:23:48 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane

Cain Velasquez’s “Brown Pride” reminds me of so many Americans who carry on about being Irish...or Polish...or Jewish.

It is hard to explain to people unfamiliar with those whose parents came from Mexico, but in the Hispano heritage world, if your want some literary character to pay the part of a ‘schlub’, you make them Mexican.

A dear friend of mine, born in Mexico but a naturalized U.S. citizen, was disappointed to find that in Europe’s Spanish media, the part of the ‘schlub’ always spoke with a Mexican accent!

Most of Mexico’s population is now Mestizo - Indian and European. It wasn’t so long ago that Mestizos were shunned by the other two ethnic groups. Now they have political power as the majority or the population of Mexico, but the stigma and the sensitivity to it, still remain.


14 posted on 12/30/2012 10:23:38 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: SatinDoll

BTTT,


15 posted on 12/30/2012 11:53:40 PM PST by OddLane
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To: sagar

They seem the same to me. Is there a difference?


16 posted on 12/31/2012 7:38:39 AM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: sagar

No, keeping it a generalized comparison for the purpose of pointing out the double-standard that many people seem to be okay with.

There’s no reason for anyone to have racial pride because a person’s racial make-up simply happens as a result of their parents’ actions, not as any accomplishment of their own.


17 posted on 12/31/2012 8:02:37 AM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Leftists: Stupid or Evil. Sometimes both. ))))
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To: DwFry

“Was the “White Pride” tattoo in question actually worn by a neo-nazi or are you providing the Nazi designation yourself? I’ll admit I don’t know much about the MMA controversy.”

There was (still is?) a MMA fighter with “White Pride” tattoo who was a self declared Neo-Nazi.

Cain is nowhere close to that level... in fact, this “Brown Pride” is like “Italian Pride” or “Irish Pride”. Nobody gets up in arm about those.


18 posted on 12/31/2012 5:30:48 PM PST by sagar
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To: Two Kids' Dad; ExpatGator

See my post #18 about a neo-nazi MMA fighter with “White” tattoo.

“There’s no reason for anyone to have racial pride because a person’s racial make-up simply happens as a result of their parents’ actions, not as any accomplishment of their own.”

I completely agree that it is silly. And I think Cain’s tattoos are silly, as well. But comparing those to a neo-nazi wearing “White Pride” is disingenuous at best and apologist at worst.


19 posted on 12/31/2012 5:34:46 PM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

I see both a Brown Pride and a White Pride tattoo the same, as ignorant, racist and tribal. No distinction. So does that sound “apologist”?


20 posted on 12/31/2012 6:15:32 PM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: ExpatGator

“I see both a Brown Pride and a White Pride tattoo the same, as ignorant, racist and tribal. No distinction. So does that sound “apologist”?”

Well, it is all dependent on the context. In this case, the Brown Pride wearing guy (Cain) is not a racist (unless you have persecution complex). Thus, you cannot equate him to White Pride wearing neo nazis. Can you show me a non-neo nazi wearing a White Pride tattoo? If you can, it will change my perception of what “White Pride” means. Until then, it is a neo nazi thing.


21 posted on 12/31/2012 11:21:40 PM PST by sagar
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To: sagar

If your going to call anyone with a “White Pride” tattoo a nazi, isn’t is a self fulfilling prophesy on your part?

Also, The tattoo in question, didn’t say “Mexican Pride”, “Guatemalan Pride” or anything of the sort. It said Brown Pride which obviously makes it racial.

And if being proud of your race is silly, so is being proud of being an American. You didn’t storm the beaches of Normandy, free a slave or kill a Tory.(not talking about you personally here sagar)


22 posted on 01/01/2013 9:06:42 AM PST by DwFry (Baby Boomers Killed Western Civilization!)
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To: manic4organic
I see the same discussion going on tonight after his fight.

The people defending him still don't get it.

I'm not angry at the fact that he expresses pride in his parents or grandparents-or even where they came from.

It's disbelief that someone who came here for a reason, namely, Mexico is such a great place to live, doesn't even give a nominal thanks for the country where he was raised and where he was able to capitalize upon these opportunities.

23 posted on 05/25/2013 10:15:16 PM PDT by OddLane
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