Skip to comments.What is Life Like in Massachusetts? (Possible Vanity???)
Posted on 12/11/2012 9:01:14 AM PST by ducttape45
I wonder,,,,,,, what would life be like in Massachusetts?
Yep, I got a job offer from Westover AFB. Not sure what to make of this; I normally don't apply for jobs in a highly liberal state like Massachusetts. I don't even remember applying for this one. I currently live in central Indiana.
From a federal job standpoint, looking at the possibility of sequestration after Jan 1st, it's not as bad as I had feared. It would actually give me more options if I'm rifted into out of it within the first year I'm on probation.
However, from a financial standpoint, the cost of living is much higher out there and could offset any raise in my pay. Plus I gotta look at the political climate. It's very, very liberal out there, and taxes are much higher than here.
I got some research to do, which is why I posted this here on Free Republic. I'm hoping there are some Massachusetts Freepers on here.
I'm looking for some good, honest, even gut-wretching advice if that's what's needed. Please, no flaming, no jokes, no wisecracks. I only have 48 hours to make a decision and I need honest, solid advice.
I want to thank everyone ahead of time for your responses and your help because after I post this I have to get back to work and I won't be able to get back on Free Republic for about 5 hours.
I’m from MA. What do you want to know?
having lived in Mass for many years, it’s not that bad.
You would have to suspend disbelief to move here if you pay attention to politics. I am too deeply rooted in my neighborhood to leave. I tell people I don’t live in MA. I live in an Italian neighborhood surrounded by it.
“POSSIBLE” vanity? Anything without a link to a news report/source is likely a vanity. But when the post is all about asking personal questions... one doesn’t even need to ask.
Please forgive me if this came across as crass. The headline with “(Possible Vanity???)” was rather.... well... nevermind.
I worked for the State of MA for 17 yrs in Boston. You are correct in your assessment that the cost of living is high and taxes are high. From Westover AFB you could commute from NH which would save you a ton in taxes and some in cost of living. Unfortunately many Massholes ruined their State and then moved to NH to get away fronm their dirty work and now NH is turning liberal. On top of that the housing prices near the border have gone way up. If I can stand the Libtards who work for the State you can manage the far more conserative people who work on a military base. I did however, have to learn to keep my mouth shut about politics in the State system. Glad I’m in VA now! Hope this helps.
never ever ever ever ever say that...on FR....on a "possible vanity".
cuz then you get posts like mine. :P
Massachusetts is a liberal cesspool politically. But it’s a beautiful state. I spent a good deal of my childhood there, went to college there, and lived there for many years.
The hills and forests and landscape are a lot more beautiful than most of Indiana, where I spent one summer (not a very long stay, I grant). And the people are nice, too, as long as you stay away from politics.
The taxes are high. The Liberals infest every sector of government. The governor is a Baby Obama with a voice to match....he just floated a proposal to replace Mass Pike tolls with an 'on the fly' toll system. It works by transponder. If you don't have one your license plate will be photographed and you'll receive a bill for the tolls...plus a 'fine' for not having a transponder...which will effectively double or triple the toll.
If you own an AR-15, sell it before coming here. It's illegal. No firearm over 10 round magazine....no flash suppressor. No collapsible stock, etc, etc.
There are so many other reasons to stay away from this state it's not funny.
But...you are considering what is effectively a government job. You might be ok. 75% of the state's budget is to fund gubmint employee pensions. 75%.
The only reason to come here is for the seafood.
I try to thread the needle with the vanity heading (just in case it's needed) and some folks still can't resist the opportunity to make a wisecrack anyway. Why do I try................???
New Englanders are wonderful people. Go with Honesty, Integrity and a HUGE sense of humor, and you will have a good life there. If you treat a man like he’s your favorite person, he will treat you that way right back. And learn to play cribbage. :)
It’s a pricey place to live, plenty of HUGE taxes. Though it’s been a long time since I actually lived there, when I did, I had a good life.
Oh..and enjoy the food, too! Make a few trips to Boston and some points north for excellent historical sites, fine restaurants, night life, museums...
It’s a democratic state, but the revolution still plays a strong part in the atmosphere.
That's good and bad. Lower cost of living out there. But you'd see more poverty, too, and its effects . . . Springfield and its environs have its issues as far as that is concerned. And some of the most liberal of the liberals we have come from that section of the state as well.
Personally, I wouldn't move to the Springfield area, but my calculus could be a great deal different than yours, so your mileage may vary. In general, however, Massachusetts is not a bad place to live. It's just expensive and run by people who think they know how to live your life a whole lot better than you do.
Well, I’m an ultra conservative in ultra liberal MA. It can be a lot to take if you follow politics. There is enormous corruption in government, but that’s nothing new. Things are more expensive because of the chokehold of the unions. Road projects never end. Depending on your commute, there are tolls. We have a flat income tax rate of 6.25% and no tax on food or clothing.
The climate’s probably the same but there’s lots to visit. Cape Cod, all the seaside towns, New Hampshire.
Bad idea...one you would regret for the balance of your days.
There are good places to live and good places to visit. MA is one of the later. There are loads of fun things to do but the living environment is horrible. Basically, its an anti-freedom zone. If you enjoy being told when to jump and how long to stay aloft youll be all set.
That must have been a long time ago...wonderful people??? Ye gads. Honesty? Integrity?
I was born there and moved to the “deep, deep, South” with my parents at age 18. There is the gun issue as has already been mentioned, but the biggest down-side is the number of people EVERYWHERE. On the roads, in the stores, etc. Too many people in small areas for me.
Yeah, you can do it, but it ain't Indiana and you need to think long term rather than just getting a new job for the next six months. Living in a worker's paradise has consequences. You can do it, just know what you're getting in to.
FYI - I left the midwest (Illinois) several decades ago to move to NH - not far from the mASS. border - so this isn’t exactly what you asked but as a transplanted mid-Westerner, I can offer some perspective - (Why am I still here? Trapped by economics and the the state of the market. We survived living here but none of my kids live within 1000 miles of NE.
Do NOT expect a warm greeting from neighbors here - they don’t like people from ‘flyover’ country. Making real friends is hard - making acquaintances is really easy. You and your kids (even ones born after you arrive) are considered interlopers and ‘foreign’ but not exotic (if you are European or from the British Isles - you’re okay) - expect repeated, casual insults about the slow thinking, slow talking, ignorant people from the Midwest, south and everyone not an atheist or Unitarian - Congregationalists are tolerated and in some towns even among the favored.
Don’t be surprised if your local Democrat committee-man/person is a proud Communist or has dedicated Communists as parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, etc. If you hunt or shoot - you can get away with it in some of NH but many will be leery of your extremist views.
Many people do live in NH and commute to jobs in mASS. It does save some in taxes but if you earn your money in mASS. you pay taxes there andNH just elected another Democrat Governor and turned the state legislature over to the Dems - the Dem majority are ALL in favor of an income tax, sin taxes, any kind of taxes - so that advantage may not last long.)
Lots of transplants and fugitives from mASS. taxes - the common name for transplants and invaders (tourists or relocatees or tax-evading spenders) for our ‘neighbors’ from the south is MASSholes. It fits.
Keep in mind that the Obamas vacation in Massachusetts every year...the fact that they feel very welcome there should give any potential new residents something to think about...
Few things that might take getting used to.... the weather is bad. Always. Took me moving out of state to realize that sometimes the weather can be good.
Taxes stink. Politics stink. This shouldn't come as a surprise.
People don't speak unless spoken to, thus giving Yankees a standoffish reputation. However, the directness is also refreshing. If a Yankee says, "Hey, I'm glad to see you.", then he *is* genuinely glad to see you.
If they say nothing, then they still may be glad to see you and just didn't feel the need to comment on it. :-)
I moved to the south - which I love - but conversation here is an art form. For years, I'd step on people's toes by coming directly to the point - a statement such as "Hi, I'd like a cup of coffee, please." - can be offensive. Five minutes of chit chat about family, kids, weather, sports, etc....then a polite "When you get a second, could I please have a cup of coffee?" is the way to go down here, hoss.
Thanks for that reminder...two DEMOCRAT Congresswomen (Kuster and Che-Porter), and DEMOCRAT Maggie (pronounce it right) Hassan as Governor (three far, far, far left moonbats)...and NY'ers and Mass people consider NH a refuge??? There's another clue re: Massachusetts.
I think what kind of people you find in a place often says something about you yourself. I take it that PrairieLady2 is a lady in how she treats others.
Grew up a few towns away, get back about once a year.
* Heed the warning of the gent w/ the gun-laws stuff, it really sucks.
* Chicopee was prodominately Polish at one time with A+ rated Credit Unions, I have no idea now, as many industries are gone.
* I am in SE Michigan, IMHO Springfield is as close to Detroit as a City than people may wish to realize. Downtown in the late 70's thru the early 90's was a cool place to be. Now it is a War Zone.
* To your North Skinner Mountain, Great Restuarants in "No-Ho" but warning it like San-Fran if ya get my drift.
* The 5 College region is cool, but I am so over it.
To your west, Westfield etc and the Berkshires, beautiful, ditto that Turners Falls and CT River up to VT.
But I have been to Indiana, it is culturally conservative, you are in for culture shock.
The lay of the land it beautiful ( especially from the air if you are a pilot ) but other than that is is a socialist-cesspool. It pains me to go back and know one of the cradles of Liberty gave us the template for Obamacare, other new and weird stuff, and a Trigger Lock on a Flint Musket in the State House.
I Wish I had a better view for you, but I have to honest...
MA is a bit of a Christian wasteland. Sure, there are lots of churches around, and there is some attendance at those buildings. But, too often, what is preached from the pulpit is not Christianity. I once attended a fine church (Methodist), with a very good pastor --but he retired and was replaced by a woman who openly doubted the existence of God, preached about the importance of tolerance toward homosexuals regularly, and was deeply, deeply concerned about the souls of our pets.
I have similar stories from 3 other churches. I don't feel tied to a particular denomination and so my difficulties have not been limited only to Methodist congregations. I've had to do a lot of "church shopping" as good leadership within a congregation is replaced by bad leadership.
If you want a Bible-centered church, it can be difficult (but not impossible) to find one in MA.
Duct, I have lived in southern NH for 26 years. Mass is a beautiful state with a bad govt. However, do not let this scare you away. The weather is colder than IN, but the summers are great. Springfield is a dump. My brother inlaw grew up there when the Italians ran the city. Now it is run by the Spanish speaking immigrants. The only reason to go there now is Six Flags and the Big E(state fair for New England).
To the north, west and east of Springfield there are great places to live out in the country. Stay away from Amherst if you do not like liberal college types. I was in West Brookfield(northeast) a couple weeks ago for a wedding. It was a picture poscard town. To the northwest of Sporingfield are the Berkshire Mtns. This area is full a great places to live and raise a family. Also, outside of the major cities there are many conservative folks just like you and me. The moochers all live in the cities. That is where all the crime is too. The country towns are just like other places. The Mass public schools(outside the cities) are some of the best in the country.
The big difference is you can be in NYC in 2 1/2 hours. You can be at the best ski areas in Vermont in 2 hours. You can be in Boston in 2 hours. You can be in Newport, Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in 2 hours. You can be at the beaches in CT in 2 hours. These are the reasons why it is more expensive to live. There is a lot more to offer than other areas of the country.
Again, thank you to everyone who participated.
ROTFLMAOPIMP! You're rolling out THAT old canard? I have lived in New England, the south and the west...the cultural differences between NE and the rest of the country is like night and day. Both my wife and I can discern the difference between generous and welcoming southerners and cold, unwelcoming arrogance of New England's people. My wife was BORN here (the poor thing), and she feels like a stranger...the good and caring conservatives of NH are pretty much gone. The people elect fanatic pro-abortion pro-sodomite anti-Christians to office; they give Zero four more years to finish destroying the country, but I'M the problem?
Give me a break. Any decent conservative foolish enough to move to NE will regret it in short order. But that is their decision, not mine. I can only opine...
It’s worth it to cheer on the New England Patriots, too!
You may not have applied for the position at Westover Air Reserve Base. If you posted your resume on-line, someone at the Air Force Personnel Center may have found your resume, determined you met the minimum qualifications for that position, and submitted your resume to the hiring supervisor.
Whenever someone tells me they were offered a position for which they did not apply, I always tell them: This must be a difficult to fill position. Why do you suppose the position is difficult to fill? The usual answer is that the pay minus the cost of living is much too narrow. The federal civil service pays people based on grade and step. The step is really little more than longevity pay.
Too often federal employees grades are not commensurate with the pay in the private sector. Some such as public affairs people are paid too much. Others such as scientists, technologists, engineers, and mathematicians are paid too little. The result of this imbalance is an influx of people who cannot do better in the private sector and an outflow of people who can do better in the private sector.
A numbers of years ago I accepted a position at Hanscom AFB. I was appalled by overall lack of capabilities of the average government civilian employee. The program managers were in the business of making up excuses as to why their programs were overbudget, behind schedule, and when delivered the systems often did have the required features. (Yes, acquisition reform has addressed these issues, but not all that well.)
The people in Massachusetts were, for the most part, angry, nasty, unfriendly, and rude. The people at Hanscom AFB did not play well with their counterparts—those people developing electronic systesm for command and control, for combat support, for IT, etc.—in hte Army, in the Navy, and in the DoD. The program manaagers often went out of their way to sabatoge competing programs in the Army, in the Navy, and elsewhere in the DoD.
The cost of living was in the stratosphere. Housing, fuel, and food were much higher than in the Heartland.
The politics is controlled by secular progressives a/k/a socialist thugs. For example, you will probably be earning too much to qualify for “affordable” housing. That means you will have un”affordable” housing. You will pay more to subsidize those in “affordable” housing.
Those in “affordable” housing often are young couples or roommates who enter a subsidized apartment between graduation from college and starting their first job. Their income at that time qualifies them for subsidized housing even if they will soon start a job that pays six figures.
We lived in a small town where a couple each had a job paying north of $80,000.00. They worked hard to get their two young sons flagged as being “autistic” because they were “developmentally disabled”. The older son had trouble saying certain words. The younger son had trouble running without tripping. Both sons are IMHO normal. So why did the parents shop for a doctor who would document their children’s “disabilities”? The couple gets what are called “crazy checks” for each son—about $5,000.00 a month for each! Oh, and there is no real process to reassess the two sons. Therefore, the parents will get about $10,000.00 a month until their sons turn 18 (or if they go to college until they graduate!)
I was exceedingly happy when my Uncle Sam decided to send me to Afghanistan!! The Afghanis are much more civilized then the Massholistanis.
Just something to think about, if you were to move to MA, possibly buy a house, and then have your AFB shut down, you would find yourself in the western part of the state with limited opportunities. Springfield is very far from the job opportunities which encircle Boston.
My daughter went to school in Worcester. I gave great thanks when she finally graduated and moved out.
I've been all over Massachusetts from the Berkshires in the west to the sodomite community in Provincetown on the Cape. Though there are some pockets of good Christian Conservatives in scattered places, the state is largely comprised of anti-God, anti-gun, anti-life, pro-homosexual liberals. Massachusetts is best characterized by this rogue's gallery forming a montage of faces of evil:
The last time there was actual “political ideology balance” in the Massachusetts State Legislature was in 1946. Ever since then, Massachusetts, within BOTH the state Democratic Party and the state Republican Party, has been “all leftist, all of the time”, with full conservatism being a profound minority. Avoid discussions on politics, with the majority of people for the majority of time, and you will do fine. Unfortunately, I see what happened this November, at the national level, as equal to what happened in Massachusetts in 1946. If this is the case, then the entire U.S. will be “all leftist, all of the time” for many decades to come, and it won’t really matter where non-leftists live throughout the U.S. I DO hope that I’m very wrong about this prediction.
I would consider it to be an honor to work on any US military base. The military is drawn from and is representative of red counties as much as it is of blue counties of the nation.
Westover AFB was just down the Mass Turnpike from my home from 2nd grade to 8th grade in the Berkshires on beautiful Western MA. Almost all of my relatives live there and they are nice enough, but hopelessly liberal and all voted for Obama...so we do NOT talk politics “to keep peace in the family” as my ex-father-in-law used to say.
Unlike IN you will have a lot of varied geography within a day drive: Montreal, Canada, Coast of Maine, White Mountains, Cape Cod, NY City. There are a lot of Revolutionary War and Indian Wars sites to visit.
I left at age 18 (hate the cold and lack of leaves from Oct to May) but my mom lives in a cabin in the woods in north central MA so I get regular reports.
For example, although the state authorities don’t trust citizens to hunt with high powered rifles, they do allow deer hunting with bow and arrow and musket and provide separate seasons for each! Moose, bear, beaver and mountain lions have returned to the woods surrounding her cabin.
Isn’t your map a couple of states out of date?
It's the latest from the Patriotic organization, National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation. Several months ago, NRTW updated it to include Indiana which passed Right to Work earlier this year.
Otherwise, the map is current for what now officially exists. What other states did you have in mind?
I find myself in total agreement with everything you’ve said!
I had moved there with my then husbands transfer and ugh, they are NOT kind to ‘outsiders’, at all!
Every single family that was transferred there either
1. ended up quitting
2. got divorced
3. the wife stayed behind in whatever state they came from
And ALL of us felt the cold winds of the elites in MA
I would NEVER ever ever live there again - ever!
5 years was more than enough!
As of sometime today, Michigan?
When my wife and I moved to Tennessee; we had to hit the laundromat to get some clothes clean before we began the ‘moving in’ procedure. A lady at the laundry took note of my wife’s accent, and asked her where she was from...my wife responded that we were moving in from New England. Her response? “Welcome to Tennessee!”
Even that approach is not always possible with the aggressive liberalism tainting New England in general and Massachusetts in particular.
A few year ago, at a not-so-aptly named "Friendly's" restaurant near Watertown, MA, I committed the crime of driving while Texan. As I pulled into the parking lot with my Texas plates, a family of four (dad, mother and two kids) was coming out and saw my car. Without provocation, both the husband and wife confronted me about being from Texas. "So, you're from the Kennedy killing state!" and "I bet you cowboys down there had a party when Teddy died". I was told in a profanity-laced tirade that we "right-wing, redneck Texans" weren't welcome in their fine Commonwealth.
Sure, it was one isolated incident in this case. But there were numerous times I was greeted with a middle-finger salute by proud citizens on the traffic circles on Route 6, doubtlessly because of my Texas plates and Sarah Palin window sticker.
Things haven’t changed. John Quincy Adams, after he was president and in the House of Representatives was one of the leading opponents of Texas becoming a part of the U.S.
You are correct sir!
You'd think I'd have remembered that one especially after last night's Monday Night Clinic!
Well, on a much, much lighter note, New England sure had it's way with the Texans (the Houston Texans, that is) last night on Monday Night Football: 42-14. Ouch. :-)
That humiliating defeat aside, it's always a hoot to watch Nashville, Tennessee native Bill Belichick's postgame presser. I'm not sure whether it's he or Steven Wright who has truly mastered the art of deadpan comedy.
It was a lot more folk than just 'cowboys'...
Your situation was entirely unprovoked. I had an incident which was slightly provoked -- because I know my neighbor and she knows me (not always a given in MA). I bumped into her once in 2009. The economy was in freefall and I knew her husbad was out of work. I said (very mildly)"This unemployment is something, huh?"
Her reply: "You Republicans just hate him because he's black!!"
You're not ever going to have a rational political discussion with people like that.
Very sweet! I had read an article years ago that a man from Chicago had written about how it was to move to the Boston area. It was hysterical, hit all the points that any of us from the midwest felt when we moved there.
I wish I could find it again, it was brilliant. There was one line that I have never forgotten:
‘if you can’t claim a distant relative that threw up over the Mayflower, you are not welcome in MA.
If you aren’t Irish, you are not welcome in MA.
If you can’t trace your family to a member of the founding fathers, you are not welcome in MA.’
Now I’m stuck in IL and looking to escape!
People in Western Massachusetts are less rude, more patient, and slower moving than Bostonians. I think. I don't have any actual evidence for that, though, except that each time I'm driving out there I seem to get caught behind an old guy in a hat who's driving very slowly (but I don't think it was the same guy everytime).
Western Mass isn't less liberal than Eastern Mass, though. That is to say, Metro Springfield is less liberal than Metro Boston. It would have to be wouldn't it (in the same way that almost any city in California has got to be less liberal than San Francisco). But the college towns (Amherst, Northampton, faraway Williamstown) are very liberal, and the Berkshires have gone from being the most Republican to almost the most Democratic part of the state. They really are leftover Vermont, the same kind of people: artists, craftspeople, activists, hippies, trustfunders. A few towns around the Connecticut border, though, did go for Scott Brown (and even Mitt Romney).
I guess I don't have much to contribute. Just that Springfield/Chicopee isn't Boston. See the giant kielbasa in Chicopee if they're still making it. Go to the Big E (state fair) in the Fall. Check out the colleges and their art museums if that's your thing. They also bring various musical theatrical performances to the area (as do the various Summer festivals in the Berkshires). And remember that it's only a short drive on I-91 to Connecticut (and a slightly longer drive to Vermont or New Hampshire (and a much longer drive to New York or Montreal)).
There's never been a job that has taken over 5 months to fill, and the job closed way back in August. When those jobs close the list of possible candidates is immediately forwarded to the managers and supervisors so they can choose someone and get them hired.
So because it took over 5 months to offer me the position, I very strongly believe there is something "not quite right" going on with the job.
That, along with other considerations like the crime rate (over 700% higher than here in Indiana), being Irish in an Italian/Polish community (I don't want to even go there), the housing costs (being 125% higher than Indiana), and I would have to make over $45,000 to compare with what I'm making here (the job would pay $41,000-$42,000), pretty much confirmed what I already knew, but I didn't know how bad it could be out there.
Overall, it's just not a good feel or fit for me. Still waiting on Oklahoma or Montana. I appreciate your views and trust me, you helped me make a major decision.
That also factored into my decision not to accept the job, although, Grissom could also be on the chopping block as well. It's a gamble either way, stay or go, but I feel the situation is safer here than out east.
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
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