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To: ansel12
LOL!

You have confused the Communist influences of the 1960 with libertarianism.

You have attributed everything from sodomy to abortion to methamphetamine to people who only want a less totalitarian government, all the while failing to give the credit to the people who deserve it: the New Left--the same Communist movements which sought in their enumerated goals to promote moral degeneracy, who decried McCarthy as a "witch-hunter", and who absconded with the media while people like you were howling over how many life sentences a pot smoker should serve for possession of a joint (something which wasn't even illegal 50 years earlier).

Even as the walls close in, you refuse to admit that the law has become the problem, not the solution, and like the two-edged sword it is, it is being wielded against America and our Constitution--by BOTH sides of the political aisle.

We have the howling expenses of the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty, both depleting the treasury, but also providing the excuse to approve of entering and searching a premises, a person, their possessions, vehicle, and effects without a warrant.

Has drug use stopped? No. But our right to be secure in our person, property, papers and effects has.

Has child abuse stopped? No. Not only has it not, but now we subsidize (at gunpoint, taxman) the festering poverty ridden hellholes where it thrives.

How's that working out for you? Or are you so married to the Statist way that you can't see its failures?

Eisenhower had Operation Wetback to deal with the southern border, now our tax money goes to arm Mexican Drug Cartels, and when the lid is blown off that, not a peep form the alphabet press.

More laws? Like the ones which keep Arizona from patrolling its own international border?

We have ample Oil and Gas resources, not to mention coal, but our own government won't let much of that even be explored, yet we spend trillions in treasure and thousands of lives 'nation building' our enemies (and they will be the second we pull out--some are now) and our own borders aren't secure from invasion--and then don't even get their oil and gas in repayment.

How is that, by what insane stretch is that "providing for the common defense"? --all the while decisions are made to abandon our people in harm's way--at the highest levels.

If you are a Conservative, tell me where is the Constitutional authorization to go abroad and 'build nations'?

Where is the Constitutional authorization to regulate what an adult willingly consumes?

Where is the Constitutional authorization for the EPA?

Where is the Constitutional authorization for the expenditure of public money to provide for the murder of the unborn? for that matter, for hurricane relief?

It isn't there.

As a libertarian, Constitutionalist, Conservative, a Christian, I can be opposed to the concept of forcibly taking money from me to fund anything that is not authorized in the agreement to have a Federal Government. As a Christian, I am especially opposed to abortion.

And just so you know, I do not believe in using recreational drugs--I don't even drink alcohol. The destructive effects of these have been manifest in those I know and have known (many of whom are dead) who have.

I am opposed to homosexuality, especially the push to 'normalize' it, and the teaching of it in schools as "normal".

I am a Social Conservative.

I also believe there are far too many laws, covering far too many topics, which are primarily there to serve the joint purpose of providing 'work' for Federal Employees and providing snares which defy moral or common sense with which to entrap the unwary population or cow them into attempting nothing.

This country is just beginning to feel the effects of that as we raise children who have little incentive to explore, start a business, learn, or excel.

It will get worse, and you can thank too much government for that.

45 posted on 12/03/2012 11:12:51 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

oh no, kids are definitely given the incentive to explore... each other

ugh


46 posted on 12/03/2012 11:23:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The libertarian agenda is taken from their platform and posted in post 39.

It is an absolute dream agenda for a leftist and one that they have largely succeeded in imposing over the large 50 years, immigration is a powerful tool of the leftists.

Here is the ACTUAL, WORD FOR WORD language of libertarians on immigration.

COMPLETE PLATFORM TEXT
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL ORDER

IMMIGRATION:
“”The Issue: We welcome all refugees to our country and condemn the efforts of U.S. officials to create a new “Berlin Wall” which would keep them captive. We condemn the U.S. government’s policy of barring those refugees from our country and preventing Americans from assisting their passage to help them escape tyranny or improve their economic prospects.

The Principle: We hold that human rights should not be denied or abridged on the basis of nationality. Undocumented non-citizens should not be denied the fundamental freedom to labor and to move about unmolested. Furthermore, immigration must not be restricted for reasons of race, religion, political creed, age or sexual preference. We oppose government welfare and resettlement payments to non-citizens just as we oppose government welfare payments to all other persons.

Solutions: We condemn massive roundups of Hispanic Americans and others by the federal government in its hunt for individuals not possessing required government documents. We strongly oppose all measures that punish employers who hire undocumented workers. Such measures repress free enterprise, harass workers, and systematically discourage employers from hiring Hispanics.

Transitional Action: We call for the elimination of all restrictions on immigration, the abolition of the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, and a declaration of full amnesty for all people who have entered the country illegally.””


48 posted on 12/03/2012 11:45:58 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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