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Union Sticks It to Hostess and Leaves Workers Jobless
Realville, USA ^ | Nov 16, 2012 | Ombud

Posted on 11/16/2012 8:39:19 PM PST by SquarePants

I guess there was a time when unions did some good. I know my great grandfather was a big supporter of them, but frankly I can't see where they do anything good at all anymore. From the time I was a kid, all I've ever understood about them was that they're associated with organized crime, and they're physically violent and proud of it. But over the last couple of years I've learned a little bit more, and I have to say I'm not at all enthusiastic about what I've seen.

First it was SEIU union thugs tossing beatdowns at TEA Partiers, and Democrat Congressmen letting them shout down citizens at constituent forums. Then it was the teacher's union in Wisconsin, trashing their statehouse and generally acting like a bunch of lawless creeps who I wouldn't trust with my children for a minute. Now it's a union killing their own employer and one of America's most ubiquitous brands.

The last couple of days I kept hearing about how Hostess management said they would be forced to cease operations and liquidate the company's assets if the union wouldn't agree to a deal. I figured it would be like most other labor disputes, with brinksmanship being tempered by the obvious reality that the workers would be better off with a job than with nothing at all.

But I was wrong. The unions decided to let their last hope of saving anyone's jobs go, and now the company looks like they'll be liquidated, and every single employee will lose their job. Amazing. Stating that the company doesn't have the resources to weather an extended strike, Hostess CEO Gregory Rayburn announced today that everyone's losing their jobs, and the company's assets will be sold. Big win for the union, I guess, but it's a huge loss for the 18,000 workers. Correction. Ex-workers.

The most mystifying thing about is that most likely Twinkies and Ding-Dongs and their related products will survive. The product brands will be sold, and we probably won't have to suffer any type of interruption in our Twinkie supply, thank God. The ownership will get screwed, of course, having to sell the brands for whatever they can get. But the biggest losers are the workers. With unemployment at 8% and likely to go higher based on all the layoff announcements I've seen the past couple of weeks, how many of these workers do you ecpect to find jobs at all, much less better jobs?

To everyone's great relief, the union bigwigs who caused it all will be ok. None of them are likely to lose their jobs, and they'll no doubt prance on, free to create more suffering at whatever lucky company gets to host their next shakedown. I wonder how many of the people in that picture up top had any idea how successful they'd be at "sticking it to the man?" Somehow I doubt this is the outcome they wanted.

I'm not sure what the deal was that the Hostess workers' union rejected, but I have to wonder if the union bigwigs feel like their workers are somehow better off with another 18,000 of them out of work. Well, they got what they wanted.


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1 posted on 11/16/2012 8:39:31 PM PST by SquarePants
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To: SquarePants

Cloward-Piven. Push policies that make things worse and worse and worse. That way everyone will see the wisdom of your policies and be eager to march toward a socialist utopia where no one ever works at all.


2 posted on 11/16/2012 8:45:46 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: SquarePants

3 posted on 11/16/2012 8:45:56 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I think you’re very insightful...


4 posted on 11/16/2012 8:46:42 PM PST by SquarePants
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To: SquarePants
Back in 1981 and 1982 I worked for Sweetheart Cup located at 71st and Kostner Ave. in Chicago.

I worked in the factory doing everything from working on the conveyor lines, driving a forklift, working the cup making machines, repairing the conveyor system, you name it.

I was working there to save money to go to College (my first time) and because I worked in the factory that also made the "Sweetheart Cones" I had to be a member of the Bakers and Confectioner's union - which is now part of the Union that caused Hostess to go under.

I cannot think of a more WORTHLESS union than the Bakers & Confectioners union. Took $16 out of my paycheck every two weeks and did NOTHING in return.

In fact, it was the Bakers & Confectioner's union's rules that cost a man his life at Sweetheart Cup.

The union's rules ensured that a known DRUNK at the factory was allowed to drive a clamp forklift. Those forklifts lifted 4,500+ pound rolls of paper and loaded them onto the cup machines. Those rolls were HUGE, and stacked 5-7 rolls high.

This DRUNK that the Union said had to be trained to drive the clamp forklift because it was "his turn in line" ended up running this huge clamp forklift into a stack of paper rolls, knocking them over and killing someone.

I saw it happen and I quit that day.

Like I said, I cannot think of a more WORTHLESS and I'll add CORRUPT union than the "Bakers & Confectioners" union.

5 posted on 11/16/2012 8:46:56 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: SquarePants

Yea, Union wins, workers lose. I can’t imagine giving up a paycheck for a principle, at least not for an 8 percent principle. Because of the selfishness of a few 18,000 lose their jobs. Gee, aren’t unions wonderful.


6 posted on 11/16/2012 8:49:03 PM PST by doc1019
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To: SquarePants

Hostess is/was one of the bigger clients at my own job. Thsi affects my own job, too. The people I talked to from hostess deal in data and sales. They made regular salaries and are very very nice people. One guy has been with the co. for many years, is fairly old and may have a tough time finding new work.


7 posted on 11/16/2012 8:53:44 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: doc1019

And from what I understand, they were offered a 25% stake in the company as a concession for the 8% paycut.


8 posted on 11/16/2012 8:53:44 PM PST by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: SquarePants

Legalized extortion....


9 posted on 11/16/2012 8:54:19 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SquarePants

Hah! Hah! Take that, capitalist thugs! You one-percenters!

Stickin’ it TO the MAN!


10 posted on 11/16/2012 8:55:33 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: SquarePants

A majority of these idiots are comfortable with an idea of loosing their jobs. Why work for a couple a bucks if you can do nothing and still has your 1.5 bucks? Welfare is a problem, ruined work ethics and basic human honor as well.


11 posted on 11/16/2012 8:57:29 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SquarePants
Liberals don't learn.

That is their shame. Not stupidity, not malice, not depravity. But their absolute refusal - absolute refusal - to learn.

And what is it they refuse to learn?

That denial doesn't work.

Even God won't forgive that.

12 posted on 11/16/2012 8:58:39 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: doc1019

In my earlier days I was a member of both the United Steelworkers and later the Boilermakers.

They seemed to exist only to obstruct the company and protect the lamest of employees. Never did much of anything for me.

We were on strike at Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock Co.(17,000 blue collars at the time) for 13 weeks and extracted a $1.00/hr pay raise. Meanwhile I volunteer repo’ed my new vehicle, etc. Big win, eh?

Unions long ago passed their hour of need and drove manufacturing elsewhere.


13 posted on 11/16/2012 9:01:20 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: cunning_fish

Until such a time as welfare monies run out. I hope I’m wrong, but I foresee a day when we have rioting in our streets.


14 posted on 11/16/2012 9:02:23 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: usconservative
Like I said, I cannot think of a more WORTHLESS and I'll add CORRUPT union than the "Bakers & Confectioners" union.

The most worthless by far are the government employee unions. Government unions are money laundering systems where the public officials grant raises and benefits to the union employees and then receive donations for their next election from these same union members to whom they just gave a raise. And the taxpayer has to pay for it all.

15 posted on 11/16/2012 9:03:28 PM PST by oldbrowser (Welcome to U.S.Zimbabwe)
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To: SquarePants

Union folks don’t want to own a piece of the company, that would make them part of the anti-union establishment. When you are unionized mentally, you are so against being part of the company that employs you that you would rather starve then become part of the “company”.

Union members are, for the most part, mental midgets, brainwashed by their leaders.


16 posted on 11/16/2012 9:04:48 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Jeff Winston

Moveon.org got the memo. Sent out a new email today. It’s the 2% now. 1% was soooooo before the election. Wonder when the monies start to dry up it will be the 53%? Soon, the takers will be so top heavy the whole stinkin’ scam will topple over.


17 posted on 11/16/2012 9:07:46 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, (it's back). 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: machogirl

Well, it probably won’t take long.


18 posted on 11/16/2012 9:11:11 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: doc1019

Most employers will screen out union oriented workers in their hiring process.
My guess is that the Hostess plants in Closed Shop states will not reopen with new owners. Production and distribution of Hostess brands will move to right to work states.


19 posted on 11/16/2012 9:11:11 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: SquarePants
...the closure of 33 bakeries, 565 distribution centers, approximately 5,500 delivery routes and 570 bakery outlet stores throughout the United States.

And these are the direct impacts, what about the in-direct hits to other businesses and vendors?

20 posted on 11/16/2012 9:11:39 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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To: Catsrus

++++Until such a time as welfare monies run out. I hope I’m wrong, but I foresee a day when we have rioting in our streets.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

C’mon. Less welfare money for state = more burden on industries = lesser wages for honest employees = lesser welfare money considered acceptable by freeloaders to make them happy (cheaper) Dem voters. This policy may allow them to twice Obamabot ranks per same allowance.


21 posted on 11/16/2012 9:13:27 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SquarePants

My employer doesn’t discriminate against minorities, women, the aged, but if your work history shows you were in a union, you’re not going to get hired.


22 posted on 11/16/2012 9:13:42 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: SquarePants

You wouldn’t think the Administration and liberals would be crowing at the news. Aren’t these food nazis always trying to put “empty calorie snack foods” out of business because of alleged links to obesity, etc.? This should be a big victory for Moochelle and the gang.

So what if a small city no longer has jobs anymore? We got twinkies and ding dongs out of the mouths of children and that should be cause to celebrate for any food nazi statist.


23 posted on 11/16/2012 9:14:50 PM PST by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: SquarePants

How many or how few “Oven Operator” positions will these people be competing for, 40?


24 posted on 11/16/2012 9:17:50 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Either that or Obama will move in to nationalize it and give a sizeable stake to the union, like at GM.


25 posted on 11/16/2012 9:20:03 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (Ephesians 6:12 becomes more real to me with each news cycle.)
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To: One Name
Unions long ago passed their hour of need and drove manufacturing elsewhere.

I figured that at the rate they drive jobs overseas and send American workers to the bread lines, their real money is in overseas sweatshop operations and collecting political rewards (e.g. more union contracts) for creating and nurturing welfare-dependent Demoncrat voters. And as an extra bonus, the sweatshop escapees flood the border looking for better than slave wages, thereby driving up the Demoncrat voter rolls even further.

26 posted on 11/16/2012 9:20:33 PM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Sadly, I agree.


27 posted on 11/16/2012 9:21:04 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, (it's back). 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: oldbrowser
The most worthless by far are the government employee unions.

Got me there!

28 posted on 11/16/2012 9:23:35 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: To Hell With Poverty

They rejected 25%


29 posted on 11/16/2012 9:24:14 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SquarePants; a fool in paradise; Slings and Arrows

Let’ nationalize. Government Hostess! How’s that sound? Next step government twenny dollar cathouses, division of... Government Hostess!


30 posted on 11/16/2012 9:27:08 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Brandonmark

“And these are the direct impacts, what about the in-direct hits to other businesses and vendors?”

My company will lose revenue. Hostess was one of our larger supplier accounts.


31 posted on 11/16/2012 9:28:28 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: babyfreep

Rush said today that there are indications that the union is counting on the Obama administration stepping and taking over the bankruptcy and eventually turning the company over to the union. We will have Government Hostess, GH

… no we already have a government hostess in Florida, her name is Jill Kelley.


32 posted on 11/16/2012 9:32:31 PM PST by Eva
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To: One Name

When I was 15 years old and a sophomore our teacher told us that when he was in his teens he had a job where the idiot union bosses held out for WEEKS for a fricken NICKLE raise. [My teacher was smart enough to quit to find another job] - The teacher said “those idiots never figured out that the wages they lost for being without work for weeks never filtered through the union thug’s stupid heads.” He said that there had been times where the unions had their place and did some good — (he was talking about things like the abuses of the triangle shirt waist factory, etc. — and owners cutting corners with safety issues) -— but he’d been amazed at the sheer stupidity of some of them — especially the so-called union leaders. Another friend of mine’s grandfather had been a founding member of the New York Iron worker’s union. HE eventually quit because he said that a lot of the union leaders were “As corrupt as some of the bas***d owners we were trying to fight.”


33 posted on 11/16/2012 9:42:13 PM PST by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
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To: OrangeHoof

It would only be symbolic; generics will fill up the slack pretty quickly.

By the way a frozen Twinkie or generic creme filled sponge cake bar is pretty nice.


34 posted on 11/16/2012 9:44:51 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: babyfreep

You mean you supplied to Hostess?


35 posted on 11/16/2012 9:50:48 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SquarePants
Hostess wanted employees to take an 8% pay cut. Now the employees are out 100% while the union management risked NOTHING. During 2013-2014 the unions are going to suffer membership dues as laid off employees contribute nothing.
36 posted on 11/16/2012 9:54:16 PM PST by 2010Freeper
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To: SquarePants

My mother used to work for Wonder Bread. She was the comptometer operator/bookeeper, who balanced all the receipts and kept all the books for the drivers. They weren’t the brightest group in the world and she had to do all the book keeping for them.

She did keep the bread drawer stocked with hostess products, though. At that time, they also had a line of restaurant products, like a strawberry short cake that was loaded with whipped cream and strawberries. It was probably the same cake that was in the twinkies and the pies were probably the same as the fried pies that they sold individually, except baked instead fried.

She kept the drawer for me because I was so severely under weight that the doctor told her to feed me whatever I would eat. Mostly we ate the brownies. Twinkies were never a favorite.


37 posted on 11/16/2012 9:55:18 PM PST by Eva
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The sad thing is that most of the employees voted to accept new contracts. One hold out union decided to screw everyone. With the exception of Trump people don't go into bankruptcy for kicks. The majority of the workers knew the company was in serious trouble and were willing to help. Most of them were Teamsters (I'm a withdrawn member). The Teamsters got a wake up call after CF went under; they realized that if they kill off all the host critters they will have nothing to feed on. Some unions don't get that fact. Public sector unions are the worst, but UAW is very bad and so is it seems the bakery worker's union. I do feel for the people who lost their jobs due to competing unions; I was a Meat Cutter 20 yrs ago and lost my good paying job because of the strike vote of the grocery worker's union. Eventually the whole chain went under, but us skilled workers w/o much seniority got let go first.
38 posted on 11/16/2012 9:56:11 PM PST by logic101.net (Support OUR troops, NOT their's!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

No...I work with data flows between retailers and suppliers. (costs, sales, deliveries, invoices) I am the middle man. They are the “supplier” to me. I guess I should have explained better. :-)


39 posted on 11/16/2012 9:59:31 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: babyfreep

oh so like a wholesale person


40 posted on 11/16/2012 10:01:06 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Eva

I too could not eat enough to budge past rail-skinny as a kid. I wish I had that problem now, topping the scale at close to the breaking point.


41 posted on 11/16/2012 10:03:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Talisker

absolute refusal - to learn.

Sorry, you are wrong; it is not that they (liberals) refuse to learn it is that they CANNOT BE WRONG! I have seen them in govt and had to deal with them over me in the private sector. No matter how badly the idea fails it is not a bad idea; we just didn’t do enough of it!


42 posted on 11/16/2012 10:10:18 PM PST by logic101.net (Support OUR troops, NOT their's!)
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To: SquarePants
My husband freezes twinkies and eats them like a popsickle. Unless the union rank-and-file revolt, there's nothing can be done. I heard on the news a union spokesperson saying the union wants to work with the people who buy the company. What?! These people are nuts! Who would want to work with those creeps? Bye bye America.
43 posted on 11/16/2012 10:11:35 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: SquarePants

Just before the holidays - all those folks out of work. This is a human nightmare!!!


44 posted on 11/16/2012 10:12:43 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: SquarePants

Non government unions can eventually drive the employer into bankruptcy oblivion and their selves out of a job because the employer simply runs out of money. Government unions on the other hand can never run their employers into bankruptcy....there is always more settlement money either by printing it, taxing it or “borrowing it”.....viola! Perpetual unions!


45 posted on 11/16/2012 10:13:45 PM PST by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I think that I wrecked my metabolsim by just not eating much. I hated my mother’s cooking, then when I was in seventh grade my Dad had a serious heart attack and my mother had to go back to work. I had to do all the cooking and i ate even less. I can’t believe anyone ate what I cooked. We ate the junk food though.

I only weighed about 40 pounds in first grade and I weighed 95 pounds when I graduated from high school. Not skinny anymore, though.


46 posted on 11/16/2012 10:34:18 PM PST by Eva
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47 posted on 11/16/2012 11:05:49 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: logic101.net

Or some REPUBLICAN stopped them from doing it 100% as planned.

That’s the usual excuse.


48 posted on 11/17/2012 3:57:33 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: gemoftheocean

I take that your teacher was not a NEA surporter?


49 posted on 11/17/2012 4:15:48 AM PST by BTCM (Death and destruction is the only treaty Muslims comprehend.)
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To: Eva

“Twinkies were never a favorite.”

!! Baw! Boo Hoo Hoo Hoo! !! :o(


50 posted on 11/17/2012 4:36:17 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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