Posted on 11/16/2012 6:59:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Besides, who owns the job? The employer owns the job, not the employee.
Amen, Truer words, my FRiend, truer words...
Yeah, a little....
I am in TX now, where my family came from, but lived in La Mirada, Norco, Upland, Fontana, and Rancho Cucamonga (which was Etiwanda then), Where are you from?
I forgot “Whittier” with my aunt for a while......
Sacrifice? You are kidding, right? Sacrifice? Wow. Try not having a job and having mouths to feed.
You find yourself in that position, where you don't have money to pay a mortgage, put a roof over your head and food on your table, then you realize it isn't a SACRIFICE to work, it is a damned PRIVILEGE.
It is a PRIVILEGE, not a RIGHT to work. And you, like a large number of people in this country, take that completely and utterly for granted. There was a time when people came to this country to work hard, and they viewed it as a gift from GOD that they could work for enough money to make a living. They didn't view it as a RIGHT, as you do, along with FDR liberal soulmates who shared his utopian liberal mindset.
Just amazing. It is a mindset like YOURS that has put our industry in the place it is today: The crapper.
Wow. Didn’t read your post right before your reply to me. I sure did have you pegged.
No wonder you haven’t said a single thing since 1998 that is worth listening to. I noticed your name doesn’t show up on the list of donors. Are you an anonymous donor, or just a longstanding freeloader?
Judging from your rhetoric in your postings, I would say a worthless no-load who is all too happy to let others foot the bill and mooch off of them.
Not a surprise you are an Obama supporter.
Heh. I’m “unflappable” too. Had one boss ask, while freaking out over something, how I managed to stay so calm - reply: “I’ve studied self defense; when you’ve considered how to deal with someone trying to kill you, everything else pales in comparison.” Some 8 years later I spent about an hour borderline dead, making me even more calm about life.
With that and other skills, I too earn my pay. And I respect the ability of those who can earn more - a lot more.
I wouldn’t elevate that poster with the appellation of liberal troll. I was going to initially classify him as a Fabian socialist, but that is too flattering, and on reflection see that he is more along the lines of a strict class warfare Marxist.
I agree with you,the employer “sacrifices” his capital on a venture that can enable someone to have a job, if successful, but in this case, our (friend) is saying the employee is doing the “sacrificing”?
Wow, we are upside down as a nation.
(Legal Irish) Immigrants (like my ancestors) came here to work hard, gain ground,to someday hope to be that “employer”. I am saddened by people who do not understand America and capitalism.
By the way, being an employee of a pizza parlor/delivery chain is a “gateway” job, unless you strive to manage one. It was never intended to be a career path, to deliver them.
It is a job for high school/college kids to make a few bucks for extra spending money on their way to a real career. Just thought I'd trow that out there.
To put it simply “the rich hired me”.
I won’t complain. and if i wanted to, see my previous post # 113
Yeah, I make’em look good, but I understand the trade-off, and we always have choices.
Yep. That is what had made America so great, and was at the core of the American Dream.
Instead of trying to tear someone down and take from them what they earned (today's mindset as illustrated by the reaction of some to this situation) people used to try to get ahead and rise to that level attained by the wealthy.
No more.
I see your point, considering the “take my ball and play elsewhere” comment.
We see this the same way.
I credit Thomas Sowell for helping me understand the issue of gateway jobs in an educational and engaging way in his book “Basic Economics: A Citizen’s Guide to The Economy”
Gateway jobs are not meant to be held on forever. They are meant as a gateway to advancing your abilities and career. They were never meant to provide someone with a “Living Wage” (a term I despise)
They were meant to be a stepping stone. But liberals want people to stay in those jobs.
Sub what par?
We’re taking a job which most anyone can do with a few minute’s training. Show up for the designated hours, flatten some dough, sprinkle assorted customer-chosen toppings thereon, put it in an oven, move it to a box when it pops out, run cash register as appropriate. This is not hard; tedious and tiring, perhaps, but not beyond most people. All the equipment & consumables are provided to the employee at no cost thereto and are designed for ultimate ease of use. There is nigh unto no risk to the employee (in health or finance), hiring is trivial (so long as the help is needed), replacement is easy. The cost to automate the work is little different from paying humans to do it, so raising pay suggests replacing workers outright is a sensible option.
Now, given that job description, what makes what they’re paid “subpar”?
Rural riverside county, the red zone.
I guess our “Friend’ hasn't had that “experience”.
What does “living wage” mean?
I've worked more than 1 job at a time in my lifetime to earn what i thought was a “living wage” for me and my family.
I would imaging most of us had to, at one point in our lives, or at least “job” and “school”.
A few jobs I forgot to mention in earlier post, selling Christmas trees, flipping burgers, deck hand on a shrimp boat in the Gulf of Mexico. None of which were career paths but I learned something value able from them all.
LOL the “red” zone?
Not to be confused with the blue zone that we all wish would go away....
That’s what I thought you were getting at. Well, as a kid in Norco, it used to be “red”, but that was 40 yrs ago when only about 10,000-13,000 lived there.
I remember when Norco was like that. It was out in the middle of nowhere. Not so anymore.
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