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A Workable Solution to the Immigration Issue
Off Grid Blogger blog ^ | November 9, 2012 | Off Grid Blogger

Posted on 11/09/2012 4:40:23 PM PST by grumpa

We have illegal immigrants living among us here in Texas. We like them and greatly appreciate their contribution. However, we should make a distinction between those who are here only to work, and those who are here to work and to integrate into American society. Here is my plan.

Non U.S. citizens could apply for a Work Visa whether they reside in a foreign country or are already in America illegally—no distinction. To be accepted they must meet certain basic criteria of literacy and a clean record. Those who are accepted into the Work Visa program as illegal aliens would pay a tax penalty over several years. So they do not get off scott free. All those who have a Work Visa will also have a path to citizenship if they work toward that goal.

This is not amnesty. Employers who hire people who do not have the Work Visa are fined. Those workers caught here who have not at least filed the application for the Work Visa can be deported.

Those workers who have filed the paperwork to get into the system would then be trackable to be sure that they are virtuous. If they do not have an adequate education and English skills, they would be required to go to night school. This system therefore moves these people along into our society or discriminates against them if they do not participate in the path to integrate fully.

Let me give you an example of a man I know. He was brought here by his parents when he was 9 years old. He graduated from high school with good marks. He married an American girl and they have 3 kids. He would like to go into the dental field but as neither a citizen of Mexico nor the U.S. his tuition would be higher than he can afford. He would like to become a citizen but he is stuck in no-man’s land. This is the kind of person we want here. But the current system has shut him off.

He has a couple of brothers who have not progressed as my friend has. They really do not want to assimilate into American society. Under my plan, they would either have to get on the path that takes them into the system or be deported to Mexico.

My plan may not satisfy everybody. But it comes to grip with reality. It honors the law. It is faithful to our founding concepts and our natural instincts of compassion.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: amnesty; immigration; letemallin; mexico; openthegates
Here is an issue that Republicans could champion.
1 posted on 11/09/2012 4:40:28 PM PST by grumpa
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To: grumpa

And enforce a time limit that they cannot receive any kind of welfare including food stamps. If their kids can’t speak English charge them for school lessons instead of taxpayers paying for it. Make them pay for their own healthcare like Canada does. Deport those engaging in fraud.


2 posted on 11/09/2012 4:47:08 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: grumpa

Piss on you illegal alien friends ... piss on your idiot attitude ... do you have not understanding that the actual number of illegal aliens is closer to 20 million not 11 or 12 million ... do you understand the impact of this? You are a Naive beyond anything I can describe...


3 posted on 11/09/2012 4:48:15 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: grumpa
He would like to go into the dental field but as neither a citizen of Mexico nor the U.S. his tuition would be higher than he can afford.

If he was born in Meheeco, wouldn't he be a citizen of Meheeco?

4 posted on 11/09/2012 4:49:37 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: grumpa

No thanks.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 4:50:20 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Rusty0604
And enforce a time limit that they cannot receive any kind of welfare including food stamps.

And they can't vote for 20 years.

6 posted on 11/09/2012 4:50:48 PM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: grumpa

Personally - I don’t give a DAMN about the welfare of your ILLEGAL ALIEN friends. They can go back to the hell hole they came from ... they contribute NOTHING to the long term preservation of American ideals and freedoms ... Damn - why can’t you naive newbies just shut up ?


7 posted on 11/09/2012 4:51:38 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: grumpa
Don't strain yourself coming up with a workable plan. Shortly D's and R's will be pushing themselves out of the way to try to hand them all amnesty first. I'm just hoping they'll show mercy to us old has-been English speakers when they take over. Maybe they'll put us on reservations like the last civilization that died out here.
8 posted on 11/09/2012 4:55:36 PM PST by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: grumpa

Do you have any idea what American Sovereignty, Border Integrity, Values of Citizenship is about? DO YOU? Do you know - you stupid shit ?


9 posted on 11/09/2012 5:00:59 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: grumpa
My plan would be very simple. First, turn off the magnet attracting them here, such as free health care, free education, food stamps, etc., etc., etc.,

Can I move to Mexico, renounce my American citizenship, then come back to the US illegally and have all the benefits illegals currently get?

10 posted on 11/09/2012 5:02:22 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: ICCtheWay
Assuming there are 30 million illegals in America, that's enough to create some 50 congressional districts and they don't even need to vote to do it. If they do vote, you can pretty much count on those districts being almost exclusively democrat. As it is we don't know how many districts exist almost wholly due to the presence of illegals.

The costs of administering a single district must run into the millions. How much pork can a district seek? How many earmarks? What will all those new democrat congressmen vote for?

If you think Obamacare is bad, you haven't seen squat. Wait till the day all those democrats start dictating how many cars a family can have, what job you can have, or where you can live. Wait till they dictate that all paychecks come from government and you get a small cut of what is left over.

Illegals are nothing but government growth hormone and amnesty today is nothing short of treason.
11 posted on 11/09/2012 5:03:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Cripplecreek .. I agree with your assessment ... Please help me to tell the idiot OP of this discussion thread to go suck an egg.


12 posted on 11/09/2012 5:16:26 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: ICCtheWay

I have little use for these moderates let alone reason to speak to them.

I have more respect for the outright marxists who don’t try to hide the knife they want to stick me with.


13 posted on 11/09/2012 5:20:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

Sneak AMNESTY PING


14 posted on 11/09/2012 6:09:29 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: grumpa

Here is an issue that Republicans could champion.
_______________________________________

Yeah kid...

no doubt...

But us the Conservatives, the REAL Americans, refuse your AMNESTY overtures...

we prefer to adhere to our nations laws...


15 posted on 11/09/2012 6:14:39 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: grumpa

“Employers who hire people who do not have the Work Visa are fined.”

Let’s start with this one first. Heavily. No new laws required or anything - just enforce what we have on the books now and implement maximum fines. None of the rest of the suggestions will be needed.


16 posted on 11/09/2012 6:32:29 PM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yes CrippleCreek ... I agree ...


17 posted on 11/09/2012 7:14:52 PM PST by ICCtheWay
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To: Tennessee Nana

This not amnesty. Under my plan (a) children born in the US are not automatic citizens as they are now, (b) holders of Work Visas are not eligible for food stamps or other taxpayer welfare, (c) hospitals are not required to accept these people even at their emergency rooms. This plan is not a moderate plan. It actually makes things tougher for illegals.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 7:21:45 PM PST by grumpa
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To: grumpa

Kid what do you have against the laws of my country ???

Why do you want AMNESTY for the law breaking illegal aliens who hate my country and hate and mock our laws ???

are you an illegal alien yourself ???


19 posted on 11/09/2012 7:24:51 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Jane Long

Twenty years, OR until every person who is in the Congress that voted amnesty is out of office....complete turn over so that nobody personally benefits, that being a conflict of interest of sorts.


20 posted on 11/09/2012 11:24:21 PM PST by Anima Mundi (You can lead a brain to facts but you can't make it think.)
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To: grumpa
We have illegal immigrants living among us here in Texas. We like them and greatly appreciate their contribution.

Every illegal alien who is employed in the United States has committed one or more of the following crimes: ID Theft, Document Fraud, Social Security Fraud, Employment (I-9 Form) Fraud, Federal Income Tax Evasion, and Conspiracy to Violate Immigration Laws.

I don't like them and I don't greatly appreciate their "contribution".

21 posted on 11/09/2012 11:28:07 PM PST by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; sickoflibs; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; TADSLOS; ...
No matter how tolerant and compassionate we become---no matter how many freebies we offer, no matter how complete is the amnesty, it will never be enough.

Their loyalties are----and will always be----to Mexico and the Third World.

Reconquista will soon be underway with Obama leading the charge........real Americans will be shoved under the bus to make way for Obama/Mexican triumphalism.

We must never forget the visceral hatred Mexico and the Third World holds for America---- and the savage TW banditos longstanding plans to make America pay for their own failures.

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Mexico is pushing north at a furious pace---throwing its "pressure groups" over the border---salivating for reconquista---to takeover the SW. They are financing and coaching their fifth column invasion.

The wailing and whining propaganda-----"just here for a better life, to do jobs Americanos won't do" gets louder and louder (effectively manipulates manipulates bleeding heart sap-happy liberals.....and vote-crazed US politicians).

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BLOOD-CURDLING LA RAZA STUDIES TOSSED OUT OF ARIZONA SCHOOLS

La Raza Studies does not even try to sugar-coat its anti-America agenda and its bloodthirsty plans to kill off Americans: Raza Studies textbook “Occupied America,” by Rodolfo Acuña, includes a violent and blood-curdling speech given by university professor Jose Angel Gutierrez: “We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is, if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him,” (pg. 323).

The following is taken directly from La Raza's Occupied America (pg. 167): “.......execute all white males over age 16,” (AKA the Plan of San Diego). America-hating Raza Studies teach (1) violence, (2) undermining US ntl security, and, (3) the need for Mexico to "re-take seven states in the Southwest...in order to make the SW a Chicano nation. "

SCHOOL BOARD NUT CASE Adelita Grijalva is the woman on the Arizona school board pimping La Raza indoctrination programs in Tuscon schools. Adelita is all up in arms about Raza Studies getting tossed via the AZ state legislature's action...she is the daughter of Raul Grijalva (D-AZ-7) who was just narrowly re-elected to our US Congress.

Cong Raul Grijalva is one of Mexico’s most productive and loyal Fifth Column in the US Congress....aiding and abetting the latino criminal underworld, colluding to take back the SW, and loot and pillage the US treasury.

22 posted on 11/10/2012 4:22:50 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: grumpa

Harass and hassle them until they go back from whence they came. No public assistance and the same medical care that Obama-care will allow the elderly - give them a pill to ease their passing into the next world.


23 posted on 11/10/2012 4:45:08 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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HYPHENATE PRICE TAG the price we are paying so that vote-crazed Obama and other desperate pols can get re/elected. NOTE Oftentimes the conniving pols bury these programs within other programs making them difficult to find. Americans have been hammered with govt propaganda that it was the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting the US. Here’s the real reasons:

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters7fd8

2. $22 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary & secondary education for children here illegally and [usually] cannot speak a word of English. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt....0.HTML

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies (or as Terry Anderson says “JACKPOT” babies!)Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN..com/TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt...01.HTML

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & socialservices by the American taxpayers. Verify at: http://premium.cnn..com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01..HTML

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRI

13. In 2006, illegals sent $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.

Verify at: http://www/..rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States. Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. Are we THAT Stupid?WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

PLUS!

1. The Earned Income Credit...money people get back on their taxes that they NEVER paid into in the first place! Illegal aliens, most of which pay zero in net taxes, enjoyed $4.2 billion from the Additional Child Tax Credit (ACTC) last year. That’s more than the annual revenue from the selected oil tax deductions and corporate jet deductions combined!Verify: http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2011/09/02/illegal-aliens-receive-4-2-billion-in-additional-child-tax-credits/

2. The cost of prosecuting and making SURE the “rights” of illegals are protected by US laws madefor US citizens. In 2009, the U.S. Justice Dept filed nearly 92,000 pro-immigrant-related criminal cases in the federal courts. The record-breaker accounted for more than half of all new federal prosecutions, according to data maintained at Syracuse University. Verify at:

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=federal+court+cases


24 posted on 11/10/2012 6:16:26 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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To: grumpa

I like my plan better:

Illegals out. Now.

The line for permission to enter the United States starts at your local American Embassy.


25 posted on 11/10/2012 6:22:24 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: grumpa; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; Liz
This not amnesty. Under my plan (a) children born in the US are not automatic citizens as they are now, (b) holders of Work Visas are not eligible for food stamps or other taxpayer welfare, (c) hospitals are not required to accept these people even at their emergency rooms. This plan is not a moderate plan. It actually makes things tougher for illegals.

Do you remember the promises that the 1986 amnesty pushers made? They broke every one of them, including, "securing the border." And they will eventually break every one of the promises the new amnesty makes, including the one which says they can't vote. Ditto for "guest worker programs, which turn into citizenship programs.

Maybe you will understand when Dems (or worse) control all 3 branches of government forever.

26 posted on 11/10/2012 7:05:09 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: grumpa; Tennessee Nana; AuntB; stephenjohnbanker; Liz

27 posted on 11/10/2012 7:22:06 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Larry - Moe and Curly

“No new laws required or anything - just enforce what we have on the books now and implement maximum fines. None of the rest of the suggestions will be needed.”

ABSOLUTELY!!! Folks, either we’re a nation of laws and equal justice or we aren’t! And it’s lookin’ like we aren’t!


28 posted on 11/10/2012 2:49:58 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Liz

“No matter how tolerant and compassionate we become-—no matter how many freebies we offer, no matter how complete is the amnesty, it will never be enough.

Their loyalties are——and will always be——to Mexico and the Third World.”

Of course you’re right.
It’s over Liz, it’s too late. Like they told my Cherokee ancestors, “Accept the inevitable, or else”.


29 posted on 11/10/2012 3:00:41 PM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB; Tennessee Nana
Here's how the "workable solurtion" works out (/snix).

Sap-happy Nancy Pelosi says: "Our new Dem Caucus will celebrate diversity .... in the next Congress we expect to have 61 women, 43 African Americans, 27 Hispanics, 10 Asian Americans and 6 LGBT Americans.”

The sappy Dem sure knows how to divide and conquer by race and color, eh? Notice the sap says she "expects" all of them diversities to come to Washington----soon as all the Dem voter fraud is certified (/cackle).

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My, my. Twenty-seven Hispanics? Another bunch of stupids with loyalty to the Third World--- who know nothing about the US Constitution and the way the founders structured governance.

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Tex Cong Hinojosa draws a blank on Second Amendment
themonitor.com | Dave Hendricks / Posted by marktwain

McALLEN — Asked Wed about the 2nd Amendment, longtime US Rep. Rubén Hinojosa fumbled for an answer. “There are so many people in Washington who come and talk to us about the Constitution and the rights that they want kept sacred and that not do anything about them. (sic) That we not change them. That we not amend them,” said Hinojosa. “And I can tell you that — I’m drawing a blank on the 2nd Amendment, but I think it’s the weapons, isn’t it? The NRA?”

Hinojosa recovered after a brief pause, recalling how the 1999 Columbine High School massacre convinced him America needs stronger background checks at weekend gun shows and that he supports more restrictive gun laws. “And especially those machine guns. Why in the hell do we have to have machine guns? And don’t touch that, because NRA will come and put you on the black list,”

Hinojosa said. “Well, I didn’t go up there to be Mr. Popular. I went up there to do the right thing. To help our community. To protect them.”

Hinojosa spoke Wed at a political debate hosted by the McAllen Rotary Club, which drew about 50 people to the Salvation Army building, 1600 N. 23rd St. The 72-year-old Democrat from Mercedes is running for a ninth term against Republican/challenger Dale Brueggemann, a businessman from Seguin. (Excerpt) themonitor.com ...

30 posted on 11/11/2012 4:40:44 AM PST by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars," Dom Perignon)
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