Posted on 11/09/2012 4:51:01 AM PST by LD Jackson
Perhaps I should have changed the title of this post to "The Americans Who Stayed At Home". That's really where this all lies. In the aftermath of the election, I was reading some posts on Facebook and came across one from someone I am related to. He and his wife shall remain nameless, but what they posted troubled me greatly. They basically congratulated President Obama for his victory and then wrote that they were proud of the fact that they did not vote. I could not believe what I was reading. How can any American citizen not have the desire to exercise the voice granted us by the United States Constitution? How can any American citizen not have the desire to vote in our electoral system?
I couldn't let that pass by (probably should have), so I commented that they should be ashamed of themselves. You know, with my usual discrete tactfulness. I was quickly informed that it was not an obligation that Americans vote. That if it were an obligation, it would not be freedom. Of course, they are technically right. It is a freedom of choice, whether we choose to vote or not. I responded that they were throwing away the sacrifices already paid so we could have that freedom and they said it was still their right and we would have to agree to disagree. I left well enough alone and did not respond, but my mind has been rolling, trying to get a handle on the attitude I saw displayed.
We all know many elections have a very small turnout. In an election of such importance, one would think that Americans would want to voice their opinion in the most powerful way available, but that is not the case. Mitt Romney received fewer votes than did John McCain. Barack Obama received fewer votes than he did in 2008. Do the majority of Americans simply not care about the direction of our country? I do not know the percentage of Americans who are actually registered to vote, but according to voting statistics that were certified early this year, there is a gap of 60 million people between the number of Americans who are eligible to vote and those who are not registered. There is a difference of over 15 million people between the number of Americans who are registered to vote and those who choose not to vote.
Some of these people are not doubt, disillusioned by the system. Many of them probably believe that it does no good to vote. Some of them probably do not care, as long as they are not troubled from their busy schedule. Almost 18% of those who choose not to vote cite conflicting schedules. With the number of ways we have to vote in America, that is a shame. There are also those who did not vote on November 6 because they did not like the choices. That is their privilege, but it does not take away from the fact that many of them chose not to make their opinions known by voting.
Where does that leave our country? I firmly believe America would not be in the shape it is in, if the people who should be voting actually exercised that right and voiced their opinions at the ballot box. We can complain about the system all we want, that it does not good to vote, but it would make a vast difference, if more of us came out to vote. For that, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Spot on. And to all those out there who were stuck on pride and decided they couldn’t pull the lever for Mitt Romney, I wasn’t asking you to vote for Romney - a man after God’s own heart - because of what he did ten years ago. All I needed you to do was to vote for Romney in order to cancel out an Obama voter.
Evidently, not everyone stayed home:
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html
http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/fraud-in-pa-obama-got-over-99-of-vote.html
“Perhaps I should have changed the title of this post to “The Americans Who Stayed At Home”.”
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Why is there so little, if any, question as to to whom we are referring to as Americans?
(Maybe we really mean AINOs.....)
Remember Karl Marx itself first came to America via horace greeley and the NYT around 1851 or so....the indoctrination has run its course, doncha think!
Semper Watching!
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Pree-Cisely. This was not a low voter turnout, it was FRAUD.
From early Tuesday, I was reading reports here of high voter turnout. I saw it with my own eyes in three polling places. I do NOT believe that Romney lost fairly. This election was stolen.
We now have the thieves in charge of things. How do we fix this?
>>Spot on. And to all those out there who were stuck on pride and decided they couldn’t pull the lever for Mitt Romney, I wasn’t asking you to vote for Romney - a man after God’s own heart - because of what he did ten years ago. All I needed you to do was to vote for Romney in order to cancel out an Obama voter.<<
Too many math-challenged idiots (well, at least 3 million of them).
Every time I see one here I will remind them obozo’s second term is on him/her.
Not a few posters here self-righteously declared that they refused to vote for R/R no matter what.
Pray for them. They gave us another four years of the America-hater.
I don’t buy the premise. I personally know of two people who never voted before that voted to oust Obama. This election was stolen.
I just don’t get it either. The Republican and the blue dog Democrats were mobilized as never before and it seemed as though more voted than ever before yet they tell us less voters showed up at this election than in 2000 in the Bush / Gore race?!! It doesn’t make a damn bit of sense! The numbers have to have been fudged.
I’m not one of them, I voted against Obama.
The arrogance of the GOP leadership who foisted Romney on us, and told us that he was the only electible candidate are to blame for those who could only see that a President Romney, who has never apologised for Romeycare, would do no more than slow the handbasket, if that.
I voted because Obama needs to be stopped. I can understand the opinion that it would do little good to do so.
:: they were throwing away the sacrifices already paid so we could have that freedom ::
and here is your disconnect, LD.
You harken back to the sacrifices our forefathers made and even recently our own sons and daughters.
Your relatives are looking at the sacrifices made involuntarily to keep millions of freeloaders in a sustainable lifestyle through confiscatory welfare policies. To this attitude, I sympathize.
Someone suggested that in the final weeks of the Republican primary and the weeks before the Republican convention when Romney officially got the nomination, Romney was being smeared and attacked by the Democrats endlessly - but because he wasn’t officially the Republican nominee, he couldn’t spend money to counter the attacks. The Democrats had months early on to put him in a bad light, and he was only partially able to counter that during the televised debates.
So a lot of people who saw 100 attacks and 3 OK debates decided not to vote for either evil.
not exactly right, how about republican votes not counted and resutls not adding up.
If some want to think that millions of republicans were not excited after these 4 years and what we have seen around us ten I really do dispair at the sheeple of the country
Voter fraud BUMP
I never thought GOP voters staying home November 6 would be our doom, but it was forecast in the low turnout in the presidential primaries. Even our own party is practically hopeless.
Don’t confuse apathetic, marginal voters with the people who are politically aware enough to participate in forums such as Freerepublic. You can hate those guys if you want because of their lack of interest, but they are a reality of modern politics. Obama had many more no-shows this year than Romney, but he had a much bigger margin for error. His marginal supporters were not energized like 2008, but marginal Republicans were not energized like 2010. Romney needed to put the fear of God into them about the coming fiscal doom and he decided to play Mr. Nice Guy. He had an opportunity to bury Obama after the first debate and he let him off the hook.
If people have the right to vote, they have the right to NOT vote as well. I imagine most people who did not vote for Romney did not vote for Romney because they didn’t want to vote for Romney. It is counter to American ideals of liberty to try to bully someone into voting at all, let alone for the candidate YOU choose.
You want to win elections? Quit blaming the people who reject your candidates and start running candidates people won’t reject.
I respectfully disagree, at least in part. I do agree that it’s sad that more people don’t take this solemn responsibility seriously.
The real problem is that too many idiots vote. A main cause is that our public schools turn out people who are completely illiterate in terms of economics, personal finance, and our form of government - a good understanding of each discipline is vital to one’s ability to vote wisely. They believe that government creates wealth, has a paternal role in our lives, and exists to help ensure that each person gets his fair share of the pie. The fact that Christian values, including personal responsibility and individual charity, have been spat upon for generations improves the abiity of our slavemasters to foist this canard on the sheeple.
The other cause is that the family, in general, does nothing to challenge or supplement what the school system does in teaching our children. That’s not because of economic poverty; rather it is due to moral, intellectual, and spiritual poverty. The family as we once knew it has been virtually wiped out by our welfare system, and the problem is almost impossible to solve because it is multi-generational. Too many children don’t have fathers and find their family in gangs and associates who tend to be low-life. Positive examples and role models are becoming increasingly hard to find, and the rats use this dynamic to their advantage by running vile, class-warfare, race-driven campaigns that cater to man’s vile nature, such as envy and selfishness.
This problem comes to a head because the rats are experts at turning this riff-raff out at the polls. I’ve worked as a poll watcher in a small Alabama town and was appalled by what I saw, i.e., people, appparently pulled off of the streets, brought to the polls by the carloads with pre-marked ballots. I can only imagine what goes on in big cities. I believe it was Jefferson who said, “If we pile ourselves in cities as Europe has, then we will become as corrupt as Europe is.”
Once upon a time, voting was a privilege, not a right. We once had barriers such as literacy tests, poll taxes, land ownership requirements, clean criminal record, proof of church membership, proof of citizenship, etc. Those days are widely looked upon with disdain by our enlightened masses. I’m not sure they were so bad. However, I am absolutely certain that having ignorant, government-dependent people vote is the death-knell for any republic. And that goes without even considering the rampant examples of fraud.
fed up of ur side even some on here saying our side did not turn out.
WE FRIGGING DID,. It’;s not that hard to look at these results closer and see that the results are not adding up.
Precints wiht 100% turn out
all the votes from counties go to obama and never one vote to Romney.
votes down for obama but union votes go up 5%
I know what I saw and heard and I know for a fact there is no way that our side did not turn up but hey WE HAVE MANY ON OUR SIDE WHICH FALLS FOR THE MEDIA’S TALKING POINTS, r because they refuse to look into these results much more closer.
I’M SICK OF OUR SIDE ALWAYS LYING DOWN FOR THE LEFT AND THEIR CHEATING , only Col Allen Wwest has the balls to take the left on and is doing so and the GOP has not even backed him up
How to fix this, easy get this media to do their job or boycott them and their sponsors and mail them every day.
Nothing wll happen because talk radio for the most part, FOX and talking heads have pals on the left and don;t want to upset their pals or they don;t want to be targeted off the lefts media
I'm a computer programmer (45 years).
It is a trivial matter, maybe 4 - 5 lines of code, to insert into a program statements which simply discard or ignore every 10th Republican vote.
Where were the votes counted? What computer system? Who managed that computer system?
Was the counting program secure? Was there an audit trail, that is a simple check of actual votes submitted versus total votes counted/reported?
These are important questions.
I bet if you find the answers to them you will discover that somehow George Soros was involved in the counting programs.
I know damn well our side did turn out, one only has ot lok at these results to see they do not add up.
Look at my state right now who are still counting, there is a reason why the Dem counties will not report their true numbers right now and that is because they want to know how many votes obama needs and so they wait for other areas to report and then they can report more numbers.
Allen West has found that republican votes have not been counted as this recount is being done.
Our side is too lazy and will say well it;s the welfare
it;s our side never came out
even the Romney haters will be ut on here now and say he was a bad candidate.
Fact is he was nto a conservative but trust me I know what I saw, who I talked to, crowds, even spoke with a SS guy who said republicans had much bigger crowds
No we have far too many which listen to either talk radio or the media and just report what they hear
Pray for them?
We need to line them up for a B-slapping contest.
the GOP should have got some balls and stopped this madness and also demanded a recount in WI, FL, OH, PA, VA
the GOP should have got some balls and stopped this madness and also demanded a recount in WI, FL, OH, PA, VA
You don't disenfranchise the absentee ballots of service personnel for the second election in a row.
I smell a rat. It looks remarkedly like a democratic systemic attempt to win the election through fraud and deceit. The fix was in.
I demand a recount in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, and Wisconsin.
Just once I'd like to see someone in the Republican party step up and demand the truth...instead of bending over and saying, "Could I have another, Sir?"
There should be some jail time for those who screw with our election process. If we don't have honesty in our elections then our votes mean nothing. Those with the plan to defraud do, and they will rule. Our republic is lost.
Fewer Republicans voted in 2012 than in 2008? Not on your life.
He had an opportunity to bury Obama after the first debate and he let him off the hook.
Honestly, at the time no one thought it would be necessary. Everyone with half a brain thought that with all the crap going on there’s no way people would actually vote for Obama.
I’m just as guilty as everyone else. I was thinking a Reagan 1984 moment was going to happen.
I thought that everyone else could see how big of a joke -0- was and he would only get 26% of the vote.
I think the average IQ in the US is around 75 now.
I was no fan of Romney trust me but I voted to get rid of obama and the voters voted him in , not me though I wanted Newt.
After this rigged election I can now say he ran a decent campaign, he had to fight the media and massive lies from the left.
I know first hand from others, from what I saw, to how people felt that this state did not go to obama, looking at the other states like WI, PA, VA, OH, then these results did not add up.
Fact is if there was an investigatio or a recount wiht names checked ten we would have Romney instead of obama but hey most on here and our side want to talk about we did not come out [media’s talking point] to just move on and lets with with the left
I agree with you on the fraud part.
But, i also know Repubs who voted for the Ron Paul wannabe Johnson. I know folks that refused to for for a mormon (but a muslim by default is ok) and skipped the election.
Sorry, but those jokers need a sound slap upside their brainless skulls.
Boehner, or someone, needs to demand a recount. This does stink to high heaven.
Mitt Romney received fewer votes than did John McCain Sarah Palin There. Fixed it.
I also agree with many posters in this thread in that I don't believe the numbers. No way Republicans turned out three million less voters. This was massive election fraud. We now live in the most expensive banana republic on earth. Voting in national elections is pointless from here out. Time for Americans to take a different path.
Mitt Romney received fewer votes than did John McCain.”
Mitt Romney received fewer votes than did John McCain Sarah Palin There. Fixed it.
how about
Mitt Romney had less votes counted.
we know republican votes have not been counted along with massive voter fraud because Col Allen West has got his recount and seen first hand that votes on our side were nto counted
I do NOT believe that Romney lost fairly. This election was stolen.
I guess that is fair since Democrats think that Bush stole the election from them twice. Every election the person who lost always calls it fraud. I predict that in 2016 if the Republicans win, Democrats will be saying how we own the electronic voting and tamper with the machines because as you know they are Republican owned or so they believe. lol. It is always funny to see the other side claim the same thing election after election. It is pretty humerous and predictable.
I think the folks who stayed home believe the whole system is corrupted.
I’m not entirely sure they are not wrong.
Romney was thrust on us.
In what is one of the stangest coincidences in history????
That is, the whole RomneyCare issue. Not to mention his support for gay issues and abortion.
Don’t forget how Romney (Oh, his handlers) steamrolled over all the conservatives to get where he got.
While the politically hardcore are ok with that the lesser hardcore were probably turned off.
Did Romney invite Palin to speak ever?
If I had to guess I would say that may be the largest percent of the stay at home folks.
It wasn’t just a matter of rinos vs conservatives but rather being included and not excluded which they basically were.
I don’t blame those that stayed home. I blame Romney (and his people) who didn’t seriously include them.
If they were not important than why is everyone boo hooing that they stayed home?
You seem to have forgotten the more conservative candidates the GOP attacked in cooperation with the liberal media that many did not get a chance to vote for. He became the defacto candidate as the others were run out of the race. He was not elected by reason of popular vote - he was at or below 30% in the primaries.
Mitt Romney was chosen mainly by crossover votes. He was chosen by the other side as the one that Conservatives would most likely not support...and so was the one most considered not able to take the election over Obama.
The strange thing is...how many polling places couldn’t close on time due to LONG lines? How many places have 110% voter turnout? Did you catch that? 110% of the population voted...where is the other 10% from? How is it possible that Romney got LESS VOTES than McCain with such long lines? Why is it that Romney was winning the polls the day before and yet lost so easily Tuesday? Why is it that Allen West won by 2000 votes and hours later 2400 votes were FOUND that took that away from him? Those 2400 votes found were ALL for the other man...not one person in 2400 voted for West? This is crazy, it’s unreal, it’s FRAUD!
difference though.
one only has to look at the results to see they do not add up in WI, PA, FL, OH, VA
One has to be an idiot to not see that thess results are not adding up and West right now is finding out that republican votes were not counted
I am sick of your crap too.
Mitt Romney was chosen by the Republican primary voters. He was more appealing to the majority of voters than any of the others. He became the candidate by reason of popular vote. Period.
Barack Obama was chosen by the Democratic Primary voters. He was more appealing to the majority of voters than any of the others. He became the candidate by reason of popular vote....Period. He also won the electoral College and Popular vote by the majority of voters. PERIOD. See how fun that is. Does it make it right? NO. So having Romney was the WORST scenario possible.
I sure as heck voted and my comments might fit under your “disillusioned” category. I suspect many non-voters refused to play along with our rotten system, as a passive-aggressive protect, even if unconsciously.
Perhaps many non-voters were protesting the shallow, idiotic way our campaigns are run. Candidates are marketed as products, and empty vessels. Marketers play on emotions; ideas and specific intentions are avoided, because the opposition can easily attack them. Our “debates” are a travesty of the concept. Robocalls are literally fake, insult our intelligence, and invade our privacy. Radio and TV ads mostly come across as transparent fakery.
The marketing model for candidates, just as for junk products on TV, works best with those who are emotionally driven, have weak characters, and/or have relatively low IQ. Such people will always be in the majority. To the extent that Republicans play “me too” in this game, they drive away their natural allies. When Republicans in office deliver the same growth of Big Government as their leftist opponents, they reduce the reason for Conservatives to vote. Other non-voters are protesting the fact that our electoral proess is so corrupt that “voting” merely legitimizes a rigged game.
Note that “Exit Polls” are not a satisfactory resource for explaining this election. Republicans lost because millions of their natural voters, did not turn out. Those who were not there to “Exit” don’t get polled. People look for excuses to justify doing the wrong thing. The Republicans had better figure out what those excuses were, and how to counter them, if they want to win elections.
agreed and on top of that we have 3 counties in OH which had 100% for obama
military votes evenly split in VA which is unheard of , Dems never get 5% of the military and why just that state VA?
West is seeing republican votes were not counted right now as I type.
obama got less than 5000 in Tampa just before election day and yet he won that area.
Nope no way
I live here and there is no way he won ths state.
It’s results after result and still we get some on here and ur side who just hear the media;s talking points and then repeat them.
I wish people would do their own research and then they woudl see these results are not right.
Stalin said.
it;s not who voted what counts it;s who is counting the votes.
Damn straight this applies here and the Chicago machine had Holder, the DOJ and 4 years prepping.
Hell I feel like I;m talking to myself half the time about this because some , not you can;t be bothered to look at WI, FL, OH, VA
Well, the way I see it, is we painted the target....and they didn’t come.
Any time you don't show up and vote for the direction you want to take the nation in, are are endorsing the outcome that happens.
They could have at least voted against him. Instead, they voted for him from the shadows. They are cowards and fools and they will never grasp how much that decision is going to cost us all.
I couldn’t do it. Not a chance in hell I was gonna vote for Romney. I’d rather try and survive through the coming zombie apocalypse.
West right now is finding out that republican votes were not counted
We will see how this concludes. I want hard facts and not guessing. After waiting on Breitbart and Donald Trump to give us some big time Obama bomb which did not materialize, I don’t trust anybody yapping their mouth anymore. I am totally done with that. Show me the 100 percent facts and some arrests and then I will believe West until then...I will wait and see.
I sure as heck voted and my comments might fit under your “disillusioned” category. I suspect many non-voters refused to play along with our rotten system, as a passive-aggressive protect, even if unconsciously.
Perhaps many non-voters were protesting the shallow, idiotic way our campaigns are run. Candidates are marketed as products, and empty vessels. Marketers play on emotions; ideas and specific intentions are avoided, because the opposition can easily attack them. Our “debates” are a travesty of the concept. Robocalls are literally fake, insult our intelligence, and invade our privacy. Radio and TV ads mostly come across as transparent fakery.
The marketing model for candidates, just as for junk products on TV, works best with those who are emotionally driven, have weak characters, and/or have relatively low IQ. Such people will always be in the majority. To the extent that Republicans play “me too” in this game, they drive away their natural allies. When Republicans in office deliver the same growth of Big Government as their leftist opponents, they reduce the reason for Conservatives to vote. Other non-voters are protesting the fact that our electoral proess is so corrupt that “voting” merely legitimizes a rigged game.
Note that “Exit Polls” are not a satisfactory resource for explaining this election. Republicans lost because millions of their natural voters, did not turn out. Those who were not there to “Exit” don’t get polled. People look for excuses to justify doing the wrong thing. The Republicans had better figure out what those excuses were, and how to counter them, if they want to win elections.
If the system is corrupt and it would seem it is. It hardly matters what the reason is.
Until and unless you can actually prove it.
Even then how did that work with the BC or F&F or Libya or anything Team 0 has done?
Noone in this entire admin, other than a few people resigning, have suffered any consequences for their actions
The power people behind the scenes want this.
It’s a gay world afterall.
last night
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2957274/posts?page=57#57
since that thread came out and reported here in FL then he has gained more republican votes
Actually. the votes are not done being counted. Romney will end up with as many or more than McCain.
The total is going up daily.
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