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I Do NOT Believe Our Country Is Trending Significantly Leftward and Here's Why (Part II)
Vocal Minority ^ | 11/8/12 | EricTheRed

Posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:27 PM PST by EricTheRed_VocalMinority

A lot of people are responding to my post here, at Free Republic, and on Facebook. Most disagree with my thesis laid out in Part I but here we go with Part II:

Colorado: Obama lost 3.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 4.8% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Colorado by a smaller margin (51.2% to 46.5%) than in '08 (53.7% to 44.7%).

Delaware: Obama lost 5.1% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 8.6% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Delaware by a smaller margin (58.6% to 40.0%) than in '08 (61.9% to 36.9%).

Illinois: Obama lost 14.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.9% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Illinois by a smaller margin (57.3% to 41.1%) than in '08 (61.9% to 36.8%). 

Indiana: Obama lost 17.0% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 5.0% more votes than McCain. This allowed Romney to take Indiana (54.3% to 43.8%) whereas Obama won it in '08 (50.0% to 49.0%). 

Iowa: Obama lost 14.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.9% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Iowa by a smaller margin (52.1% to 46.5%) than in '08 (54.2% to 44.6%). 

Michigan (with 96.5% reporting at this writing): Obama lost 13.3% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.4% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Michigan by a smaller margin (53.8% to 45.3%) than in '08 (57.4% to 41.0%). 

Missouri: Obama lost 15.7% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.4% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Illinois by a smaller margin (53.9% to 44.3%) than in '08 (49.4% to 49.3%). 

Nevada:  Obama lost 0.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 12.0% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Nevada by a smaller margin (52.3% to 45.7%) than in '08 (55.1% to 42.7%). 

Virginia: Obama lost 0.9% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 12.0% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Virginia by a smaller margin (50.8% to 47.8%) than in '08 (52.7% to 46.4%). 

Wisconsin: Obama lost 3.8% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 11.6% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Virginia by a smaller margin (52.8% to 46.1%) than in '08 (56.3% to 42.4%). 

I realize these figures of of little comfort since Obama won all these states except Indiana anyway, and got their electoral votes. But I still think it's important to know that even in these blue or swing states Obama lost votes while Romney gained. There's no reason, in my opinion, why four years from now when the next Democrat candidate is someone other than Obama,  the Republican candidate cannot narrow the gap even more and -- just like Indiana -- even take that state.

In all the red states, with the stange exception of Louisiana and North Carolina, Obama lost huge percentages of votes. Romney gained votes in some of those states, but, inexplicably, lost votes in others. Among the latter are Alaska, Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Tennessee. If you combine the votes Romney gained in the red states and added them to the votes he lost, it's probably a wash -- and I'll admit that is a problem. 

But you might be asking, if Romney got more votes in 27 states than McCain did, then how did he end up losing 2.0 million votes nationwide? The answer lies mainly in three states: California, New York, and New Jersey. In California alone, Romney received an astounding 1.36 million fewer votes than McCain in 2008. Another 760 thousand Republican votes were lost in New York and New Jersey. (In these three states, Obama lost 3.9 million votes, so for some reason there was a huge decrease of voter turnout there.). And there you are: The 2 million missing Republican votes.

Yes, the Republicans lost. Despite all his dismal failures, Obama and his sycophantic media machine waged a successful slash-and-burn campaign. Too many protesting conservatives, liberatarians, and "constitutionalists" decided to stay home or vote third party, otherwise this election could very easily had tilted the other way. They need to get over themselves and get back.

This isn't over. I think we're still in good shape if people just freaking go to the polls next time! We also need to seriously outreach more to blacks, Hispanics, etc. It sucks because one shouldn't have to pander to perceived "victim" groups, but that's the reality of politics. Am I being Pollyanna-ish? Probably. But I'm also trying to be realistic. 

Onward.


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1 posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:30 PM PST by EricTheRed_VocalMinority
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Ugh, found another data typo as soon as I hit post. Virginia should read: Virginia: Obama lost 3.8% of his 2008 voters while Romney got 2.7% more votes than McCain, which means Obama won Virginia by a smaller margin (50.8% to 47.8%) than in '08 (52.7% to 46.4%).
2 posted on 11/08/2012 5:16:32 PM PST by EricTheRed_VocalMinority (http://VocalMinority.typepad.com "The Jewish Republican's Web Sanctuary")
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Nice analysis. Good work.


3 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:14 PM PST by NautiNurse (BOHICA)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Those are really cool statistics and stuff but losing constantly by different margins is still losing constantly.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:31 PM PST by shelterguy
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Let me guess. The GOP got more votes this time everywhere but Fla, Ohio, Va.


5 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:38 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years. Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.

We have hit that tipping point. Immorality, deviancy are the normal. The give me mentality is generational now. There is no going back. This was our moment to push back the tides of the takers.

Good luck to survive I wish you well. As for me, I’ll be investing in food and precious metals, like gold and lead.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 5:22:37 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Good numbers compilation. But I also see a lot of truth in this statement issued yesterday by the Palm Beach GOP -

The Death of Heroism

The firefight lasted seven hours. The Obama Administration had to do the math, calculating the worth of Ambassador Chris Stevens, Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and Information Officer Sean Smith against the possibility of losing votes in Ohio. Ohio won. And the President won Ohio. There is no public outcry. President Obama correctly realized that America had tipped, and Heroism ran a distant second to pop culture.

The other heroes, those that put their life savings, time and lives into building businesses and creating wealth, have similarly met an untimely death. The American people could not have been clearer. From New Hampshire to California, through the industrial heartland of Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan, American Exceptionalism, Rugged Individualism, Entrepreneurship and Citizenship have finally been put to rest. The Welfare State is now permanent. The rejected model of “save and invest” has given way to the contemporary model of “tax, borrow and spend.” We are all Californians now, on our way to Greece. This will not end well.

It is hard to see a future for Conservatism. It does not exist in Europe, or California. It is no longer welcome in America. The Republican Party will have to take a good look in the mirror and decide what, if any, future it has. For that I make this declaration: “We will not settle in to become the tax collectors for an Obamanation.”

Sid Dinerstein
Chairman
Republican Party of Palm Beach County

7 posted on 11/08/2012 5:24:32 PM PST by Baynative
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Where did you address the fraud’s the voter fraud? KEEP IT HONEST. He is a POS Anti-American and don’t know any American who voted for him because they don’t HATE our country!


8 posted on 11/08/2012 5:24:43 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

And whatever happened to “300,000 less Rats in those Ohio counties”? I guess they didn’t actually have to “be” there to vote.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 5:24:46 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
I Do NOT Believe Our Country Is Trending Significantly Leftward and Here's Why (Part II)

This is just left wing (media) propaganda. No, we do not have to go left. In fact, we've gone too far left. we keep running RINOs. That's why we LOSE. No one wants a RINO. Tax payers need someone to speak for them, and these' no one who'll do it.


What we need to do is go after tax payers BIG. They've been used as slaves for the democrat base for way too long. Go BIG with tax cuts and social spending reductions for the working class, and people will come from every corner of the country to vote for our guy.

No man should be used as another mans slave. It's time the democrat base paid it's own bills like the rest of us.

10 posted on 11/08/2012 5:27:45 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: presently no screen name

The voter fraud question is a valid one. Were there anecdotal instances of Democrat voter fraud around the country Tuesday? Almost definitely. But I can’t believe it was that rampant for the following reason: Obama himself lost nearly 8.5 million votes. If Democrat voter fraud was so widespread, I can’t believe that number would’ve been that high. That’s just my educated guess.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 5:27:57 PM PST by EricTheRed_VocalMinority (http://VocalMinority.typepad.com "The Jewish Republican's Web Sanctuary")
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
I think we're still in good shape if people just freaking go to the polls next time!

YOU ARE A RETARD!! Don't insult us with 'going to the polls' and use that as an excuse for the bony @ss and wideload being in OUR house - he belongs in the jail house!

12 posted on 11/08/2012 5:27:57 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Yes, Obama won by a smaller margin than he did in '08. We all know that. The thing is, it was understandable for America to vote for Obama in '08. The wars were unpopular, the economy was in shambles, McCain was a terrible candidate, and Obama was a blank slate and offered something fresh.

It is not understandable for America to re-elect Obama given what we know now.
13 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:20 PM PST by arista
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

There are other indicators of an ongoing rightward trend. We defeated 2 pro union constitutional amendments and a green energy mandate amendment in Michigan as well.

I gotta admit that I take perverse pleasure in the fact that Debbie Stabenow got more votes in Michigan than Obama.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
We also need to seriously outreach more to blacks, Hispanics, etc. It sucks because one shouldn't have to pander to perceived "victim" groups, but that's the reality of politics. Am I being Pollyanna-ish? Probably. But I'm also trying to be realistic.

ONLY if it's to explain conservative principles to them. All they know about us is what the liberal media and democrat politicians tell them. We need to set a good example, and ask them to follow us.

I'm not going to pander or reinforce their perceived victim hood. It would be a lie. The democrat brainwashing - that only a democrat politician can save them from themselves - is the only thing holding them back.

I think conservative groups should start running TV commercials right now that explain what conservatism is. Otherwise, with the media being 80% liberal, how will voters ever know the truth?

15 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:02 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
I won't read further than this:

Colorado: '2012 (51.2% to 46.5%) than in 2008 (53.7% to 44.7%).

If what you're saying is that the past 4 years, which should be enough to convince 10% of voters to switch, against a strong candidate which should have been enough to switch another 5% ...

... if you're saying this is good news, you are unaware of how demographics have tipped the scale in western cultures. Mitt ran a campaign honest enough if not perfect, to transmit the message. Obama also transmitted his message.

Had Mitt won by 4% and taken fewer than 318 EVs, it would still be an indictment of the electorate, as ignorant. Ignorant of the Constitution, and ignorant of economics, and greedy. What a joke that the producers are considered greedy.

There is no explanation for what just happened other than that Americans had a clear choice, had plenty of opportunity to recognize that Obama is a liar and they voted for him anyway. It's an irrational, identity based tribal electorate now.

That's the majority. It wasn't supposed to happen for another 10 years, but it happened now because O hypnotized white women. In 10 years, women may open their eyes, but at that point, the gap will have been covered by demographics, and the left won't need them.

Every single statistic you can throw it me confirms this. After the past 4 years, the record that shouldn't have even needed to be explained by Romney or anyone else, for an opposition party to lose having run a strong candidate with a believable, rational, positive message, was proof that it's over.

The minor things Mitt isn't perfect at would only have bought a few more years. Nobody voted for Obama out of ideas, they voted identity and brand name and ignorance. They shot themselves ... and they'll never know it.

16 posted on 11/08/2012 5:39:39 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
All of this high brow soul searching ignores the obvious.
The Democrats bought the election with generous unemployment, welfare, food stamps, obama phones, etc., etc.
And the media ran cover for him by lying their butts off.
Simple.
17 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:48 PM PST by oldbrowser
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Joe Arpio was reelected by double digits. Roy Moore is the chief justice of the Alabama supreme courts. At least two state legislatures went GOP majority for the first time in decades.

The democrats are happily pointing to the black clouds to keep us from seeing the silver linings.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 5:41:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

We win a battle every now and then but we have been losing steadily since maybe Hoover. Reagan was one of those battles I mentioned, Walker in Wisconsin is another example...but our culture continues its decline at rapidly increasing rates. Our country is circling the drain. The coming financial collapse may provide us with an opportunity, but it won’t be for the timid.


19 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:10 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Were there anecdotal instances of Democrat voter fraud around the country Tuesday? Almost definitely.

Where did I ASK you IF there was fraud? Stop w/the BS. NO ONE needs YOU to tell them that!! I asked where DID YOU ADDRESS IT? NO WHERE!! Why didn't you just BE HONEST and say you didn't!

But I can’t believe it was that rampant for the following reason: Obama himself lost nearly 8.5 million votes.

I don't give a crap what you believe he lost 8 million BLACK votes and those that WOKE UP to the con man's antics!!

Did you consider in '08 his numbers were high because of voter fraud? We KNOWN there was! So you are already going against false numbers!!

I can’t believe that number would’ve been that high.

NO ONE cares what you believe. I believe you are a fake!

That’s just my educated guess.

No one gets a degree in 'guessing'!

You are ERIC the BLUE with no facts - just guessing.

20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:10 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

I’m sorry but until you do something about the public schools and universities, leftists will dominate.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:53 PM PST by ari-freedom (Election Day should be after Thanksgiving, not right after Halloween)
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
There is no explanation for what just happened other than that Americans had a clear choice, had plenty of opportunity to recognize that Obama is a liar and they voted for him anyway

I was SHOCKED anyone would vote for Oboma after the terrible job he's done, so I figured there must be something else that appealed to people enough to get them to overlook everything and not vote, or vote for this guy (besides the promise of free candy and kool aid).

It had to be something personal. Their personality. I discovered one very important thing. Romney talked AT people, so he didn't connect personally. It was like watching a business video.
Oboma talked TO people, so they thought he cared about them as individuals (which was a lie, but they fell for it. )

22 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:56 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

bttt


23 posted on 11/08/2012 5:51:36 PM PST by petercooper
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

if you ignore how the anti white demographics trend then you are stupid

or willfully ignorant

and don’t lecture me on their difference

the problem is it is INDEED more than skin deep

were it only about skin color and hair texture and height and physical crap we could fix that easy

it is far far more than that....

and i goes back to the settling of this hemisphere and elsewhere when Europeans gained global control for the first

you want to get smart...read Camp of The Saints..and the Dems are exploiting that

that’s what this..

the non white world are for the most part The Borg

and we are the Federation...what’s left of it

they do not share our culture, values or appreciation of our history...in fact they mostly loathe it

I am simply amazed that freepers persist in being so naive

Yes we can encourage the few not on the dark side but there is no way in time to shift enough of them to matter from their cultural rot that breeds them voting as they do for the most part

the power we can get to maybe is to shift stupid whites...mainly northerners

the white youth vote actually did go our way barely...surprising

we can hope Obama brings enough cataclysm to wake up the goofy northern non religious whites

and that is a long shot

and save that Catholic canard...it means not jack


24 posted on 11/08/2012 5:56:27 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Here’s a dead horse. Go ahead. Beat it!


25 posted on 11/08/2012 5:57:28 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: concerned about politics
I get what you're saying, but I would rephrase. Because politics shouldn't be about manipulating people via your speaking style, rather it should be about educating them about what you will do, and what the foundational principles behind those intentions are.

If an electorate is in the shape you are assuming - sheep who don't control their own rational response to someone presenting something ... then you only make my point - that the electorate is beyond repair.

So here's how I would rephrase:

In an era of identity and brand politics, where the electorate wishes more to have its eyes closed than opened, Romney wasn't dishonest enough, and not a very good stage hypnotist.

26 posted on 11/08/2012 5:58:39 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: HannibalHamlinJr
Romney wasn't dishonest enough, and not a very good stage hypnotist.

OMG. That's another thing. Glad you brought that up.
In Chicago, Oboma and Ayrs were deep into the public school system. They'd go into the schools and use something called covert hypnoses to get the kids to show up for class. Covert hypnoses uses words that are agreeable to open up the mind. They open the analytical mind enough so other words, words the listener may not quite agree with, can be shoved into the subconscious mind before the analytical mind has a chance to stop it.

I bought a book on it when Oboma was running in 2008. It was written by the guy who taught Oboma how to do it.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:08 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

For the past 4 years the GOP NEVER challenged the meme (from the left and the media) that the bad economy is Bush’s fault. Allowing that narrative to take root and insulate Obama from the bad economy. Everyone knows the economy sucks its just that >50% think that it’s Bush’s fault and that Obama is doing his best to fix it. If given a little more time to clean up Bush’s mess, they believe he’ll be successful.

Just as Bush did for 8 years, the GOP has neutered itself by allowing left wing narratives to define it. Big mistake IMO.


28 posted on 11/08/2012 6:12:26 PM PST by tatown
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

The country is lost....


29 posted on 11/08/2012 6:16:09 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

Here’s the thing...

Bush won two VERY close elections. The country didn’t have to move very far for McCain and Romney to lose two not very close elections.

The country has moved left, and it’s enough that I just don’t see what Republican can win.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 6:22:10 PM PST by NRPM (We have to come to terms with the fact that governments have made promises they will not keep.)
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To: ari-freedom
I’m sorry but until you do something about the public schools and universities, leftists will dominate.

You are exactly right!!! The voting public is completely ignorant of what the United States of America should be. There is no such thing as "patriotism" among the masses. When I was a kid we had to memorize and recite, "The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere." In the eighties I was in Boston for a short time and walked part of the Freedom Trail. When I stood in front of the Old North Church I got goosebumps thinking of its history. A few years later, I visited Yorktown and had the same feeling. Today, It would not surprise me if 98 percent of high school kids had even heard of the Old North Church.

We need to completely take over the education system in this country.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 6:23:27 PM PST by saminfl
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To: 23 Everest

Nothing wrong with preparation for anomie. It would be inhuman not to want to protect your family.

Still, Job was right: “Should we accept good from God and not accept adversity?”

We have been so blessed in America. Whether we “deserve” to fall or not, our time of adversity is coming and we can accept it from God. He is alive, you know, and can be called on! He’s not in any way tricked by the rulers of Earth. He listens in on all their private scheming sessions.

We’ve had our share of horrors in this life, but how many were spared us by sheer grace will not be known until the Lord’s Day (so says my hunch).


32 posted on 11/08/2012 6:28:35 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority
Am I being Pollyanna-ish? Probably.

Yeah, I think you are. Sorry.

I'm convinced this was the very last U.S. Presidential election where conservatives could make a difference. In short order, barring unlikely gutsy resistance from the House, the 2nd Obama administration will:

Open the floodgates to immigration to the south. That means millions of "instant Democrats."

Fill all new Supreme Court openings with far-left apparatchiks. If you think the Constitution is being violated now, just wait... The Obama Supremes will make law, not interpret it. They'll have plenty of help from Obama appointments to the lower courts which will all begin to behave like the Ninth Circus.

Implement increasingly burdensome regulations on business, especially through his Commis-"czars" and the increasingly dictatorial anti-business EPA.

Put into effect his long-standing plan to fetter capital mobility (Agenda 21.) He plans to de-fund the suburbs and send their money to inner cities. California's (thankfully defeated -- this time) Proposition 31 was a sneaky attempt to launch this program. It would have created a regional "tax-base sharing" arrangement eliminating the suburbs' ability to determine their own economic status. Tax money would flow into a common regional kitty for redistribution to inner cities and "less well off" suburbs.

The second shoe to drop in this scenario is to prevent suburbanites and the companies they work for from "voting with their feet." Regulations are planned to require what amount to "exit visas" from companies that want to move elsewhere. These plans are being developed for the administration by Peter Dreier, an urban affairs advisor to the President in the 2008 campaign. He also happens to teach politics at Occidental College, Obama's alleged alma mater. He's been outspoken about the plan to "undercut freedom of [capital] movement."

Author Stanley Kurtz, writing about Dreier's plan, says: "As companies are trapped, unable to move, they and their employees will have no choice but to submit to a given city's redistributive tax-and-spending plans." He says Dreier believes that blocking the mobility of capital will succeed only at the national level. Many think the recent battle to block Boeing from opening a new plant in South Carolina was just a test run for the new program. This stuff is just the beginning -- there's much, much more to come.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 6:33:38 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: NRPM
The country has moved left, and it’s enough that I just don’t see what Republican can win.

WRONG. The tax payers have no one to represent them. When was the last time a candidate vowed to end or drastically cut back welfare to NEEDS only? Instead, they add to the goodies every time. Even the Republicans.

Why vote if no one will save you? Taxes will still go up. They always do. Regulation will be added. It always is. Freedoms will be lost. They always are. It doesn't matter to the hard working average Joe who wins. He knows he's going to get screwed anyway.

There's no one to represent the hard working American citizen anymore. We're not lost. Our government is.

34 posted on 11/08/2012 6:40:39 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: avenir

I can not take credit for that quote. A couple of people with much more intelligence than me said that @ 1700.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 6:44:30 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks EricTheRed_VocalMinority.

Four years from now the 14- and 15 year old pro-homo pro-abortion high school teenaged jackasses will be voting in their first presidential election. The Latino population will be larger, and thanks to the complete lack of border control and failure to woo them now, that larger Latino population will be voting for the pro-homo pro-abortion Demagogic Party candidates.


36 posted on 11/08/2012 7:36:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: EricTheRed_VocalMinority

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37 posted on 11/08/2012 7:37:26 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: arista

I guess the “drive by voters” did their “patriotic duty” by voting for Obama. Drive by voters don’t have to read newspapers, read the internet, watch Fox News, listen to talk radio, watch the Sunday talk shows or watch c-span. All they have to do is watch the Kardashians, Snooki, American Idol and maybe watch a couple of episodes of John Stewart if their feeling really wonkish. Then when it is time to vote and make their contribution, they can go out to the polls and vote for the pop star president.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 7:40:07 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: concerned about politics

Obama is definately a natural born actor.


39 posted on 11/08/2012 7:42:18 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: concerned about politics
Yep!

You don't have to call the Obama administration a cult to compare how it works with a cult. For them, it's all about persuasion, especially how to persuade people to do something against their own self interest.

People will actually be more reluctant to reverse a decision that caused them suffering than one that caused them no pain (depends on context.)

Once you get someone to do that once, you've set up a condition where if they say 'no' later, they experience cognitive dissonance because people need to justify former decisions - people are more concerned with being 'right' and justified than they are about making rational choices. This presidency is psych 201, chapter on persuasion and cognitive dissonance.

For people not susceptible to hypnosis (i've tried really really hard!) - which I bet includes a high percentage here - a strong analytical interface between the outside and inside world ... we just can't empathize with how it works, so we're unable to really spot it because we can't identify with it.

But you can spot it subtly by how people relate to Obama - it's not a rational relationship - rather, its a relationship that suddenly dulls the mind of even really smart people, as soon as the subject comes up. There are many levels of hypnosis - most aren't the kind where you can tell a man he's a chicken and he'll go lay an egg. It's insidious precisely because it's subtle.

It's a state less characterized by the presence of fantasy than by a reduction of the rational interface. That's the opening for suggestion.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 8:29:35 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: concerned about politics
Oboma talked TO people

BS!! He did not talk to me - he makes me ill from my spirit seeing the EVILNESS in him! If you didn't see it, the spirit with in you is the same as his.

41 posted on 11/08/2012 8:40:33 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: oldbrowser
All of this high brow soul searching ignores the obvious.

EXACTLY!! Eric is a fraud just like barry is. It is time Eric the Blue w/HIS BLOG write his opus!

42 posted on 11/08/2012 8:44:43 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: concerned about politics

Your refusing to see the hard truth. Your sentiments are 100% right, but irrelevant. We the hard working taxpayers are the minority. The hordes of free loaders have passed the 50% mark. They do not share the same values as you and I. They are not interested in a vibrant prosperous society. When we hear Romney promise millions of new jobs, we say hear, hear. The barbarian majority hears millions of new jobs as a threat to their sloth. We have to come to realization that we might all inhabit the same country, but we live in two different mind sets.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:05 PM PST by gusty
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To: avenir
our time of adversity is coming and we can accept it from God.

NO! NO! NO! It is from satan! Don't believe the lie!

Where is same sex marriage, homosexuality, abortion, stealing to give to others from God? God is good, SATAN IS EVIL. God wants everything good for us. What we are going through is from SATAN, and obama is a pawn of satan to carry out his evilness!

The liberal media covers for barry - they cover his evil deeds. They are deliberately deceitful. Obama is a LIAR - that's who he has to hide his records.

NEVER blame God for what satan does! When God's wrath comes you will know! But He takes HIS OWN away from here to be with HIM because His children will NOT be subjected to HIS WRATH!

44 posted on 11/08/2012 9:00:17 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: NautiNurse

I say a ‘NICE BS’!!


45 posted on 11/08/2012 9:06:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

I have a bible app on my iPad that has all kinds of great Christian art.

I have lately been struck by two images I found there: 1) Christians facing death in the Coliseum and 2) Daniel in the lion’s den.

In one case God did not stop the murder of His own; in the other he did.

Job did say (correctly, according to Scripture) “Shall we accept good from God and not adversity?” Much later in Acts the disciples were persecuted and “went away rejoicing that they had been counted worthy of suffering for the Name.”

Suffering, not suffering..all is in the hands of God, who is absolutely not the author of evil but does use it in the refining of his saints.

s den.

In one case God did not stop the murder of His own; in the other he did.

Job did say (correctly, according to Scripture)


46 posted on 11/08/2012 9:18:12 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: presently no screen name

I have a bible app on my iPad that has all kinds of great Christian art.

I have lately been struck by two images I found there: 1) Christians facing death in the Coliseum and 2) Daniel in the lion’s den.

In one case God did not stop the murder of His own; in the other he did.

Job did say (correctly, according to Scripture) “Shall we accept good from God and not adversity?” Much later in Acts the disciples were persecuted and “went away rejoicing that they had been counted worthy of suffering for the Name.”

Suffering, not suffering..all is in the hands of God, who is absolutely not the author of evil but does use it in the refining of his saints.s den.

In one case God did not stop the murder of His own; in the other he did.

Job did say (correctly, according to Scripture)


47 posted on 11/08/2012 9:19:44 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir

Sorry, FR is doing something weird to posts.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 9:20:54 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir

(Or I am, ha!)


49 posted on 11/08/2012 9:21:27 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: avenir

Yes, we will have tribulation in His Name! Because you are a Chrisian with the spirit of God within you - Satan recognizes that spirit!

Now Job is OT before Jesus shed His Blood for us and that does not only include for our sins but we are made righteous in HIM/Jesus. Getting back to Job - didn’t Job come out better than before. He didn’t get his children back because they weren’t lost. When Jesus rose they were with HIM. But everything else was doubled. He was blessed for ‘his trouble’.

We will have adversity but it is NOT from God. The world is evil as you know from the bible. BUT we get through it by His strength and believing HIM. Do not worry if you believe HIM, no matter what hits you - denounce it by faith. Resist satan and he will flee. We have all the power within us - use it. Speak to your mountain/whatever obstacle in your way. God is good ALL THE TIME. Just believe Him and never have doubt because that is the absence of faith. Liberals just re-elected a pawn of satan. So don’t believe what he can do to you - believe God and all His promises. Good vs evil since Adam/Eve. Nothing new under the sun.

Remember, many will come to The Lord through what will be happening - they will be seeking help - for they are deceived and that’s why we are here to enlighten them. Not everyone will receive HIM but that is not our worry - we are to tell them the ‘good news’ and the HS does the rest.

He took Lot OUT of Sodom, HE took Israel OUT of Egypt, HE took Noah away from the flood and HE will take us OUT before His Wrath comes. God always take care of His own.

How many times is ‘fear not’ in HIS WORD? Someone said 365 times so once for everyday? I don’t know, I didn’t count but He said it enough to know HE KNOWS we will be going through doubt/fear every day because of the evil that exists in this world. So if God says ‘fear not’, believe HIM in spite of what you are going through. That’s a test for you to see how deep is your faith. We grow in faith by each advertisy and we get through it by knowing He will never leave nor forsake us. We have HIS strength, so we use it by faith. Everything is by faith and that’s how it grows - because we exercise it, it gets stronger.

........ 1) Christians facing death in the Coliseum and 2) Daniel in the lion’s den.

The Christians were so deep in faith and hungry for the LORD they didn’t care because they knew once they were dead they would be with The Lord. Daniel would not bow to another God and totally believe God would save HIM and HE did! IF HE didn’t, he would be with HIM forever the next second! In the end, it’s all about faith. This life is a blip on the screen compared to eternity. Either way, the Christians and Daniel were covered - FOR ETERNITY!! Heaven is our true HOME, not here on earth once since entered in.

Keep believing God is good all the time, adveristy is NOT from God but HE knows we will go through it on this evil earth but by HIS strength/by our belief on HIM He gets us through it. No matter what - we are covered by HIS Blood and HIS forever. Just believe with no doubt/unbelief!


50 posted on 11/08/2012 10:17:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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