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Evangelicals plunge America into darkness mislead polls and stay home on Election Day
coachisright.com ^ | NOVEMBER 8TH, 2012 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:02 AM PST by jmaroneps37

The experts are wringing their hands trying to figure out why Romney didn’t win, but now we know: the 14 million missing voters from Romney’s column are Evangelicals.

Evangelical Christians may not be evil people, but they helped an evil president become an evil dictator on Tuesday. The exact numbers aren’t in but clearly the vast majority of Evangelicals stayed home on Election Day.

They weren’t dealing with a storm or a personal family emergency. They stayed home because they made a conscious decision to allow our Marxist enemy to continue ruining our lives rather than have Mormon Mitt Romney as our president.

They draw their grounds for such a twisted thought from their interpretation of the Bible which they take literally – except of course for the part about handling poisonous snakes – that’s where a more modern interpretation of Scripture takes hold.

The Evangelicals’ hatred of Romney burns so brightly it blinded them. Self- flagellation and a willingness to aid and abet a clear enemy became preferable to them – consequences be damned.

Evangelicals profess to be pro-life against Gay “marriage” for religious freedom a strong protective bond with Israel and for a strong and effective military yet on Tuesday they stayed away by the millions and imperiled all they say they believe in.

They stood on principle, so they will say, so they hate the Republican Party for nominating Romney as well. They did not even consider the danger they put America in – Romney and the RNC hurt their feelings and they wanted the “revenge” Barack Obama urged.

Skipping the top line for the sake of saving America never occurred to our Evangelical neighbors. If Evangelicals had just done this we would have a Republican Senate and a stronger hold on the House...

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Esoteric crap about “Romney not selling conservatism” “having bad staff” is non-sense Obama was weak as a kitten: Evangelicals killed us It wasn’t that Romney didn’t sell conservatism It wasn’t that there was voter fraud or a bias media or condoms or abortions or Chris Christie or anything BUT the Evangelical boycott. They stayed home and sucker punched Romney and conservatism by doing so.
1 posted on 11/08/2012 4:55:09 AM PST by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

Mega dittos.


2 posted on 11/08/2012 4:57:14 AM PST by SargeK
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To: jmaroneps37
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country

.. with all the opprobrium that rightfully entails

< spit >

3 posted on 11/08/2012 4:59:57 AM PST by tomkat ( <shrug>)
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To: jmaroneps37

I’m a Christian who is much disgusted with my fellows. For the most part they support the destructive, hateful, larcenous welfare state. They see this mass of envy, jealousy, covetousness and theft as goodness and light. Somehow they think that Jesus told them to take the golden talents from the man who has five and give them to those who have fewer.
And those who are so spiritual that they are no earthly good.


4 posted on 11/08/2012 5:00:34 AM PST by all the best (`~!)
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To: jmaroneps37

well its pretty much over for conservatism..the voting machine is set on auto pilot..its over ..we are a one party country...and here comes our first didtator


5 posted on 11/08/2012 5:01:14 AM PST by dalebert
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To: jmaroneps37

Thats my take. If Romney would have received the same number of votes that McCain did, he’d have won.


6 posted on 11/08/2012 5:01:53 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: jmaroneps37

Now they get to live with the consequences. Hope they are prepared.


7 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:14 AM PST by formosa (consider me galt)
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To: jmaroneps37

Amen....but hey they kept themselves PURE by not SOILING themselves with a Mormon President!!! GOD HELP THEM! GOD HELP ALL WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA!! They have a LOT to answer for.


8 posted on 11/08/2012 5:02:41 AM PST by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: jmaroneps37

The only Christians that need to be blamed are the ignorant idiots like Todd Akin.

Every Evangelical I know voted with gusto.


9 posted on 11/08/2012 5:03:50 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: SargeK

This is like facing two muggers, one armed with a pistol, one with a water gun. Standing there with an 870 and unloading the entire tube on the one with the water pistol.


10 posted on 11/08/2012 5:04:33 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: jmaroneps37

The question is would Romney have wone with the Evangelical turnout? Clearly he could have carried Virginia, Florida, and Ohio, but he still needed one more. There aren’t enough Evangelicals in CO, NV or NH to make the difference. There are a lot of Evangelicals in IA, but the gap was pretty large.

Was the gap too large in PA?

The lack of Evangelical enthusiasm certainly cost the largest 3 swing states and prevented Romney from running up large numbers in NC, SC, and GA, which were way closer than they should have been, but we still would have only gotten to 266 EVs.


11 posted on 11/08/2012 5:06:22 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: jmaroneps37

but now we know: the 14 million missing voters from Romney’s column are Evangelicals.”

Exactly how do we know that?


12 posted on 11/08/2012 5:06:40 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Ann Archy

Utter BS.

They didn’t vote for Obama. The common theme at my church was that a pro-life Mormon was better than self-worshipping abortion activist.


13 posted on 11/08/2012 5:06:51 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Have you counted all the votes? Or is your analysis based on the 90% reported so far.


14 posted on 11/08/2012 5:07:11 AM PST by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: jmaroneps37

Probably didn’t vote for him because he is Mormon.


15 posted on 11/08/2012 5:08:20 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: jmaroneps37
Blaming the Evangelicals for this loss is a HUGE load of crap. I live in the Bible Belt Buckle and land of large mega Evangelical church's. I do NOT know of a single person that stayed home rather than vote for Romney. I think that Coach Kevin is just looking for a scapegoat. Well, I won't let him.
16 posted on 11/08/2012 5:11:43 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: jmaroneps37

ping for later. Man, have I got words for you......


17 posted on 11/08/2012 5:11:54 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: Coldwater Creek

Indeed. I live in the Bible Belt and in a state that went solidly for Romney.


18 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:29 AM PST by ReformationFan
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bump


19 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:35 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: jmaroneps37

The Democrats have been rounding up one group after another, by making promises somebody else has to keep. Until the Republican Party starts cultivating Latinos, blacks, Asians, and even Muslims, it will continue to lose elections.


20 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:44 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: jmaroneps37

Again, for the record:

(1) I am not an evangelical; I am Catholic, though I grew up Southern Baptist.

(2) I did indeed vote for Romney.

Now on to commenting:

If I were an evangelical, I would never align myself with someone like the author of this article, who feels obliged to take cheap shots at Evangelical religious beliefs.

Furthermore, the author takes it on faith that Romney is pro-life (record speaks otherwise) and anti-gay-rights (record speaks otherwise).

Maybe the evangelicals sadly concluded that there really wasn’t that much difference in SOCIAL/CULTURAL issues between the two. Given REPUBLICAN SCOTUS appointments (Roberts, Kennedy, Souter, O’Connor) maybe they are on to something.

By ascribing HATE as the motivation the author is engaging in typical LEFTIST projection and should be ashamed of himself.

And, I would also point out, that a very short time ago the owner of this site was vowing to never, ever vote for Romney. I can hardly see how one can be angry with evangelicals for doing likewise.


21 posted on 11/08/2012 5:13:44 AM PST by jtal (Runnin' a World in Need with White Folks' Greed - since 1492)
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To: jmaroneps37
Here we go. Blame those who stayed home and not those who foisted Romney on us in the first place. It's those evil, principled, evangelicals - if they would just compromise their beliefs a little, we could have gotten on with our slow decline. But, no, they went and stood by their convections.

Our founding fathers were just like these selfish jerks.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:38 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: jmaroneps37

Lots of sweeping claims in this article without a shred of statistical evidence to support it. And Romney won all the conservative states where the greatest numbers of evangelicals live.

Is there any evidence of an evangelical “boycott” in the battleground states where the election was lost?


23 posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:48 AM PST by Will88
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To: wolfman23601
RR 'lost' PA by 290,943.

Churchies teamed up with the Philthy thugs to roll out a dictator's carpet.

< spit >

24 posted on 11/08/2012 5:14:53 AM PST by tomkat ( <shrug>)
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To: Coldwater Creek

The data will be in very soon and we will know for certain.

Honestly, with some of anti Mormon fervor I’ve seen with some here, it wouldn’t surprise me.

As football coaches say, “the tape don’t lie”...we will have certainty soon.


25 posted on 11/08/2012 5:15:28 AM PST by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: ConservativeDude; jmaroneps37

“but now we know: the 14 million missing voters from Romney’s column are Evangelicals.”

Exactly—how do we know that?

I am “evangelical” and everyone I know voted for Romney.

Missing ballots, more than we can imagine
Massive voter fraud and intimidation
Ignorance of the issues
Disinterest
Disgust
Busy being entertained
Drugged
are some other reasons


26 posted on 11/08/2012 5:16:31 AM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: jmaroneps37

I’m not buying this.

I am an evangelical who did vote for Romney.

Most evangelicals know darn well what was at stake and what a 2nd Obama term would mean.

While I certainly had my reservations about voting for him, there was no contest when compared to Obama.

I suspect at this point that once again, polls are being used as a weapon... this time to attack Christians directly.

The national news organizations are a cowardly unaccountable tool of our enemies... hell bent on destroying the very foundations of what made this country great... and people I suspect are going to just ignore the source of polls like this and continue to give them credibility regardless of what they do.


27 posted on 11/08/2012 5:18:55 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: traderrob6
If Romney would have received the same number of votes that McCain did, he’d have won.

Actually, when they get done counting Romney will likely have roughly the same number of votes McCain did in 2008.

Meanwhile I've yet to see the empirical evidence showing that Evangelical voters stayed away from the polls.

28 posted on 11/08/2012 5:20:55 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: traderrob6
Thats my take. If Romney would have received the same number of votes that McCain did, he’d have won.

Indeed, we would have. Obama's vote was down by nine million over 2008.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 5:25:09 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: jmaroneps37
Coach, you're full of WKRP. You accuse Evangelicals of hating Romney. Please give us your proof. Where is a statement from an Evangelical: "I didn't vote for Romney because I hate him"? I don't see your statistics that polled 14-million Evangelicals and concluded that all 14-million hated Romney. Rather, I think you're part of the FREEPATANTRUM in which you blame everyone because the election didn't fall our way. So you went to the Democrat Socialist-Liberal method: blame that damned Christians.

I am an Evangelical. As much as JR didn't want me to, I voted for Romney because I hate and despise everything that the formal Democrat monolith stands for; and I don't care for their president, either.

But I think millions of Christians decided that they simply could not support a man they--we--consider is part of a cult that teaches a false doctrine that we consider heinous and even blasphemous.

Now you can argue all day whether our theology is correct. You would be arguing with a Yankees fan, asking them to support the Red Sox. (A fate worse than ipecac.)

We're not afraid of you, your criticism, or the wrath of the Democrats. Christians have for centuries faced actual death, not censure or other five-yard penalties, in the arenas, back allies and public streets of the world.

You think criticism is going to change the minds of those Christians who didn't vote for Romney? That kind of thinking is worthy of Les Nessman.


30 posted on 11/08/2012 5:25:45 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine .)
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To: Safrguns

Coach Kevin is exaggerating a bit his point. There is part of me that FEELS the irritation of two boys in white shirts, tie, on bicycles telling me that they are Elders of the Mormon church, and you get hammered with the Joseph Smith stuff, it obviously did repel a few people. But by and large, most evangelicals stepped into the batters box and took a swing. What was missing, was the backslidden, honky tonk sinning Christian crowd....who says they are Christian, but were fence riders. Coach Kevin, consider that 92% of the vote for Obama was Christian blacks, while their black pastors urged them to vote against a candidate that proposed same sex marraige. Or that 76% of the vote was Hispanic, with their Catholic bishops asking them to NOT vote for a candidate that proposed abortion. The ELECTORATE my dear Coach Kevin has changed. But the Republican National Committee needs to get a canidate that can fire up the BASE, and the base is conservative values. I remember all 8 candidates in the primary had a battlecry, ANYONE BUY ROMNEY... and big guns steered the ship into the National Convention, and carefully weeded out Sara Palin and her gang. This did not help.


31 posted on 11/08/2012 5:28:49 AM PST by rovenstinez
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To: jmaroneps37

Where is your data and proof to back up your assertions? I’m not saying you’re wrong but I like to deal with facts and evidence to support assertions.

Everyone is distraught and it seems to be part of human nature to search out someone or something to blame.

This much we know so far: Obama did not win because of strong and enthusiastic support-his votes will be down 7 million from 2008. Obama did win because not enough showed up to vote for Romney.

Whether or not that was evangelicals remains to be seen. By the way I am one and if this is true I will be deeply saddened (ala Tom Daschle)


32 posted on 11/08/2012 5:29:22 AM PST by almcbean
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To: jmaroneps37

That was my own conclusion yesterday. I know that I kind of balked, especially during the primaries and one of the reasons was Mitt’s Mormonism but also his record.

When he won the nomination and there was no other choice he became my choice and in the end I even got enthusiastic about him.

I reasoned with several people about the choices we had and influenced a couple of them and it was the Mormonism for all of them.

One could not be swayed and though she voted she just skipped the presidential race. I heard from others that there were many of them with that attitude.


33 posted on 11/08/2012 5:29:51 AM PST by tiki
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To: jmaroneps37

And yet these same Christians must deny that God gives us the leaders (and candidates) that were before us, or else they would have gotten their sorry a$$es to vote. God gave us a choice and, as is our wont, we choice wrongly. I hope they are proud of their purity when the gubmint comes knocking at their door for some insane reason. As Christians especially, we can only hide for so long before the choosing.


34 posted on 11/08/2012 5:31:09 AM PST by mancini
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To: EricT.

Right. People I spoke with at my Baptist church were not voting for the marxist pro-abortionist.


35 posted on 11/08/2012 5:33:32 AM PST by Made In The USA (Obama may not be running on his record, but he sure as hell can't run from it.)
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To: 5thGenTexan
Blame those who stayed home and not those who foisted Romney on us in the first place.

Romney foisted himself on us. Among the cast of has-beens and never-will-bes seeking to be the GOP's presidential standard bearer for 2012, Romney was the strongest.

36 posted on 11/08/2012 5:33:32 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: jmaroneps37

No one on the Right is happy obamateur won. But do you think it’s productive to impugn peoples’ religious principles just because we’re sore losers? Evangelicals — for all their faults — are an important core of the conservative movement. Lose them with this kind of vicious rhetoric and then let’s see how relevant a force the Right is.

Evangelicals stayed home because they could not in principle support a man whose beliefs they found spiritually suspect. While I’m not happy about the effect that had, I do respect the integrity of their convictions.

And I’d really like to avoid the inevitable circular firing squad that comes in the wake of a loss like this.


37 posted on 11/08/2012 5:34:54 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: SargeK

Mega mega dittos.

Every tub has to sit on its own bottom. I do not choose their path.

I know there are a lot here and they flame away with all manner of emotional arguments. Win the battle lose the war. Perfect strategy.

Frankly I think they are suicidal. If they could hasten the end of us all they would. Individual suicide is a sin but orchestrating a version of the end time isn’t I suppose. They are too sanctimonious to just mind their own business and deal with their own life. They love to be persecuted. They like to be strangely different to encourage ridicule because we all know full well that only God’s chosen people will be persecuted and the more they can draw the better.

Someone will be right one day. When that day comes has nothing to do with the zealots. They may think they are aiding the end time and have been thinking that for a long long time. One day they will be right. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Flame away if you care because I could not care less what you think. It will simply bounce off me like bbs off of brick.


38 posted on 11/08/2012 5:35:18 AM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: jmaroneps37
Oh brother.

If Romney was up front with his faith like the Cathy family, perhaps we could have seen an election day response similar to Chick-fil-A on 8/1. He kept talking about the economy and truly religious folks aren't impressed by materialism (at least myself and my neighbors aren't).

Despite that, our state went red, even though he's a northeast liberal.

39 posted on 11/08/2012 5:36:37 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: jmaroneps37
-- It wasn't that there was voter fraud or a bias media or condoms or abortions or Chris Christie or anything BUT the Evangelical boycott. --

Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution?

40 posted on 11/08/2012 5:36:49 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: jmaroneps37

Look, you can be mad at them all you want, but if you are a true patriot to the idea of Freedom of Religion...then you must respect the fact that many evangelical religious type folks adhere to...when the choice is between to evils...pick neither and move on.


41 posted on 11/08/2012 5:37:33 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: all the best
I’m a Christian who is much disgusted with my fellows.

Same here. I'm sure I fall into the "evangelical Christan" category, and I sure as hell voted against Obama. Nothing was going to stop that from happening. These clowns have doomed this nation for their own personal pride.

42 posted on 11/08/2012 5:38:17 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: ConservativeDude

We don’t. I have no doubt that some did stay home. You know like some of those who post here?

Something funny about the vote totals.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: mac_truck

“Actually, when they get done counting Romney will likely have roughly the same number of votes McCain did in 2008.”

Wanna bet?


44 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:40 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: jmaroneps37

I am very bitter with these people. They truly beleve the worse it gets the better because they think this heralds in Jesus’ return. They are going to be waiting a long frikking time and will be very lucky if they come out of this without having to take their religion underground.


45 posted on 11/08/2012 5:40:56 AM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: EricT.

Same here.


46 posted on 11/08/2012 5:42:40 AM PST by Frapster (There you go again...)
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To: rbmillerjr

The vote count doesn’t tell us anything, unless it is verified by the actual signatures on the voting lists. We really have no way of knowing whether the votes tallied even vaguely represents the number of people who actually signed the list. We can’t know that until we count the number of people who actually signed the lists - looking for potentially faked signatures as well.

If the number of signatures matches the number of votes we still don’t know if the votes were changed, which can be easily done through the tabulation software. The only way we know whether it was R’s or D’s who signed the lists is through the election observers, and R observers were kicked out in critical states. That wasn’t an accidental thing, and in at least one case it was done in defiance of an order from a judge. You don’t commit the crime of contempt of court unless you’ve got a really important reason to do so...

And then even if we know how many R’s signed the voter list, the only measure of what faction within the R party showed up is the exit polling, which was only reported to the public by the media after they had a closed-door pow-wow. A democratic spokeswoman told people to ignore the first exit polling; well, the only people who would have seen that were the media, so the admonition to “stay calm” was to the media - who were being told not to panic because the “real scoop” (wink) would be in the votes, which would all be sunshine and roses. Rush reported that somebody had told him the exit pollers were instructed (by whom?) not to interview any elderly whites. And who did the pollers say showed up in droves? Abortion-driven women, Hispanics, and Blacks - most of whom said the top issue was Hurricane Sandy. What Rush read (and refuted) from the exit polling statements read like a missive from Axelrod. And that’s all we have.

The fact that Valerie Jarrett was confidently telling her people that they were going to win and then it would be payback time, even when the polls were saying otherwise, suggests foreknowledge of the final vote tally. Much like Manuel Zelaya foreknew the results (which were found in his briefcase) for an election that never happened. Methinks Jarrett or her surrogates may had a little visit with Nate Silver and gave him a peek at the numbers too.

So the truth of the matter is that we will never have certainty. We don’t know who programs the tabulation software and have no log of activity done to the program - much less a tamper-proof log of activity. Our observers were thrown out. And the exit polling is a work of the same media that let Obama get away with telling the world he called Benghazi a terrorist attack on Sept 12th, when they asked him on Sept 12th why he didn’t call it a terrorist attack and he clearly said we couldn’t know yet. So we’re being told to trust an unaccountable software system set up somebody we don’t know, only democrat observers, the elections officials who illegally threw out republican observers, and an already-proven lying, treasonous media.

Like I said, we will never have certainty, and that’s exactly the kind of unaccountable system that absolutely corrupts. Until the elections officials who violated the public trust are sitting soundly in jail for a good long time, until we have software which automatically tracks and logs transactions in a non-manipulable way and that log is made public, and until media people are sitting in jail or hanged for treason we will have no reason to trust any election results.

I don’t like the UN for a lot of reasons. But if our own system to secure the integrity of elections is even worse than the UN (which immediately questioned how any election results could be trusted when no voters are required to provide identification!), then that’s a sad, sad statement of US apathy and corruption. Americans have already given up on America.


47 posted on 11/08/2012 5:45:11 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: rovenstinez

That’s the impression that I have also.


48 posted on 11/08/2012 5:48:50 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: jmaroneps37
I thought if you wanted someones vote you went out and earned it. The GOP-e foisted this candidate on us and you expected it to make people happy? Or did you think that the alternative was so bad that reasonable people would still go out and vote for Willard?

I don't honestly know what the thought process is of the GOP-e actively recruiting Democrat-lite candidates but instead of blaming the base for not sucking it up maybe we should be blaming the idiots that gave us Willard in the first place. "We" nominate A pro-abortion, suddenly pro-life, Massachusetts liberal, suddenly right wing conservative, anti 2nd amendment, suddenly pro 2nd amendment, father of Romney care, Reagan hating, Morman (which a lot of evangelicals consider to be a cult and I happen to agree with them) and act surprised when some of the base didn't feel like the party had their best interests in mind? I suspect most understand this but I'll point out, yet again, that TRYING TO APPEAL TO "MODERATES" WHILE ALIENATING YOUR BASE IS A DUMB IDEA. Not to mention a losing strategy which even a slow learner should have understood after Dole, Bush (him winning hurt Republicans more that losing would have)and McCain. Instead we have the newest edition to the RINO loser list Romney.

I voted for Willard even though I felt dirty doing it but I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would single out a core group of supporters and blame them when the GOP-e did all but moon them and call them names. Actually they do call them names come to think of it.

There is only one group of people to blame and that is the liberals. More specifically it's the liberal GOP-e that got us into this mess. We need to drive them from the party burn everything they have infected with their liberal mind set and start again with core conservative ideas. If you don't think that core conservative ideas (embodied by candidates with a record of actually supporting these principles) can win elections then go become a Democrat.

49 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:13 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: jmaroneps37

I am an evangelical Christian and I voted for Romney the same way I would have voted for Darius over Nebuchadnezzer had I lived in ancient Babylon (had there been a vote). When the choice is between two non-Christians you vote for the one who will hopefully steer the country in a better direction.


50 posted on 11/08/2012 5:49:42 AM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
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