Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Talking to a Liberal on Election Eve
scottfactor.com ^ | 11/07/12 | Gina Miller

Posted on 11/06/2012 5:34:17 AM PST by scottfactor

On Sunday evening I called a dear relative that I have not seen for a number of years. He lives several states away, and we have not had the occasion to be together due to our busy, divergent lives. I love him and miss seeing him, although he is a die-hard liberal who fully supports Barack Obama (or whatever his name is).

When I called my loved one, so close to this critical election, I knew I did not want to discuss politics with him, because there is no agreement in our worldviews. I would have studiously avoided any mention of politics, but he broached the subject right away by asking me what I think of the upcoming election.

So, it began. I gently tried to point out to him (if there is a “gentle” way to point out) that Obama has distinctly communistic (or socialistic, if you prefer) policies of centralized government control of society. The conversation was fruitless. I refrained from citing a laundry list of the lawless, impeachable, even treasonous actions by this administration and only mentioned a few, which he refused to accept.

He had the leftist talking points down pat: blaming President Bush for everything; claiming opposition to Obama’s policies is due to racism; denouncing government subsidies for oil companies; denying that the federal government now has an ownership stake in General Motors after shafting the bondholders; declaring that homosexuals only want marriage “equality;” and insisting that conservatives are uninformed—especially those of us who question Obama’s mysterious past and his possible ineligibility to hold the office of President.

It is difficult, even heartbreaking, to have a conversation with someone who sees the world with such radically different eyes than you do. It is even harder when the person is someone you love and you wish could be free of leftist mind shackles. It was useless to state the facts of Obama’s record to him, because he honestly believes that conservatives do not know truth and facts, so wedded to his leftist ideology he is, and he simply denies that what Obama has done is wrong or in any way dangerous to America. He seems to believe the lies of the Obama administration and the lies about conservatives that the Democrat lapdog media feeds into American televisions and computers.

How could I tell him that since Obama’s installation in the presidency, conservatives have been rudely—and thankfully—jarred awake and are now among the most informed people in the nation? Well, I could say it, but he would not believe it. How do I know conservatives are among the most informed? Look at the Tea Party movement. Look at the massive Tea Party turnouts around the country in 2009 and 2010. Look at the blowout, mid-term elections of 2010. Look at the astonishing number of supporters who showed up for Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day back on August 1st. These are examples of people who are watching with eyes wide open, who see what is happening with a lawless, anti-American administration inWashington. These are people who have made it a priority to be informed, to stay aware of what Obama and his minions are doing.

Counter that with the other side. Just look at all the depressing “man on the street” interviews of brainwashed kids at college campuses and clueless citizens on big city streets, or unwitting, guest players of Glenn Beck’s “Moron Trivia.” Look at “Obama Phone Woman.” Look at the deranged thinking displayed by the Occupy Wall Street idiots. I know these are anecdotal, but you still see many people are void of even the most basic knowledge of what is happening in the world around them, much less in federal, state and local governments.

The stark contrast between conservatives and liberals is the nature of their worldviews. The fundamentals of conservatism are godly values. The fundamentals of liberalism are godless platitudes. Conservatism is a worldview that cherishes our nation’s Christian foundation. It seeks the best for everyone, not equality of outcome, but equality of opportunity. Conservatism cherishes our God-given freedoms which are necessarily joined with personal responsibility. Conservatism demands good stewardship in our leaders, and it seeks to turn back the nearly unrestrained spending and power-grabbing by those in Washingtonin recent years.

Liberalism looks at government as god, while it denies God’s place in our nation. It thrives on envy. It seeks to “equalize” outcomes, which inevitably leads to the lowest common denominator becoming the standard. Liberalism is herd mentality; it shuns individualism and self-initiative. It seeks to shake off the healthy restraints of moral absolutes and sound reason. The policies of liberalism ultimately lead to tyranny.

I realize I am preaching to the choir here on the sites that carry this column, and I do not have to tell you how crucial it is that we get this anti-American, junior tyrant out of our White House on this Election Day. But, it remains that there are many people in our nation with the mindset of my dear relative, who do not perceive the real nature of liberalism, who support its horrendous goals of wealth “redistribution,” all-powerful, monstrous government and the silencing of those who speak against liberalism’s tyranny. These people do not look back in history, even recent history, and see the atrocious track record of liberal policies that fail everywhere they are imposed.

I pray, as I have for many years now, for my loved one to be free from the deception of liberalism. And the next time I talk with him, I will try much harder to keep the conversation away from politics and on, say, football and barbecue.


TOPICS: Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: leftyrelatives; liberal; obama

1 posted on 11/06/2012 5:34:23 AM PST by scottfactor
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

Only liberals would justify the thought process that calls President Bush a ‘war criminal’ for a legal, congress approved war, and yet not bat an eye when Obama ousts a government and has a world leader killed based solely on his word.


2 posted on 11/06/2012 5:39:59 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

Other People’s Money has run out. The USA is tens of trillions of dollars in debt (counting unfunded liabilities such as Social Security), and if the other nations want to pull our credit, there will be another Great Depression.

People such as this relative will not get a government check when there is no more money to be “shared” by Democrat politicians. We will be Greece. The unemployed young and middle-aged government bureaucrats will be in the streets demanding that the broken gravy train be started up once again. The old will starve quietly.

Is this the America we want? Is voting for this terrible future an act of “compassion”?


3 posted on 11/06/2012 5:43:16 AM PST by txrefugee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

Well written, and boy, you’ve got a bad case there. I know some similar folks (not related) and it’s really frustrating to know how they are good people otherwise. I’ve decided that a lot of this is self-defense, or something similar that compels them to defend ideas simply because they have become so invested in them that it would cause mental anguish to consider they might be all wrong. Good luck with the football and bbq!


4 posted on 11/06/2012 5:44:43 AM PST by bigbob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor
Talking to a Liberal on Election Eve

Why bother?

5 posted on 11/06/2012 5:45:28 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

“I pray, as I have for many years now, for my loved one to be free from the deception of liberalism. And the next time I talk with him, I will try much harder to keep the conversation away from politics and on, say, football and barbecue.”

Good idea. I had a complete blow up talking to a friend of mine since childhood who fell into the liberal trance.

Since then, keeping the conversation away from politics has served us well.

Although, as a typical liberal he makes subtle comments to keep his dillusion of superiority alive in his mind. It’s commical. The price of balancing friendship with politics.

The alternative - to cut every liberal out of my life would half the size of my relationships with family and friends who aside from being complete dupes add value to my life.


6 posted on 11/06/2012 5:46:59 AM PST by Eddie01 (Liberals lie about everything all the time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

This decent caring person that Gina loves is a waste of space and resources. I’d have nothing to do with him myself. Not worth the trouble or the time.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 5:47:10 AM PST by Gaffer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

He is so right — it’s shocking how many of my friends have not a clue what is happening to our country. They get snippets of new from the MSM and end up like two of my women friends, who are very concerned that if Romney/Ryan win that they will overturn Roe v Wade. They absolutely buy this war on women crap. That’s why the MSM is so evil - they know that most people are like these two women and so they can manipulate reality however they want. Today we have to save our country - and people like my two friends- who don’t have the understanding to know how our country is being “fundamentally transformed” by this junior tyrant. GO VOTE, EVERYONE - AND GODSPEED TO OUR SIDE!!!


8 posted on 11/06/2012 5:48:07 AM PST by madmominct
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I’ve got a Gina in my family. Wife of one of my nephews. Had to be her who wrote this article, because she’s describing my family to a T.


9 posted on 11/06/2012 5:52:00 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I know a few democrats and they all agree Obama has turned rabid and if he was their dog he would go the route of Old Yella. They also think that is the general consensus across the country.


10 posted on 11/06/2012 5:52:25 AM PST by Eye of Unk (President Romney, get used to it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I had a similar altercation with my stepson last night via Facebook. I finally said I had to sign off before I said something I would really regret, then deleted the entire thing. I cannot believe a successful entrepreneur could be so blind. He has all the Dem talking points down pat, is still blaming the “Bush boys” and called me a Neo-Con among other things. I tried to talk some sense into him, but he’s a goner. I’ve removed most libs from my life, but it’s hard when they are family. But, I have no respect for them and hate the arguments that always happen when politics comes up!


11 posted on 11/06/2012 5:55:48 AM PST by MomofMarine
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I’m looking forward to writing two words on all my lib friends OBAMA facebook posts: BUH-BYE!


12 posted on 11/06/2012 5:57:00 AM PST by Huskrrrr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

It’s like watching Bob Beckel on The Five. When he talks about “there’s going to be 10 million new voters turning out this cycle” I’d like to counter: “and half of those 10 million new voters are probably unemployed or certainly underemployed.” Doesn’t mean they will vote our way, but I wonder how they could vote for 4 more years of this malaise. When Obama goes to those enthusiastic college campuses, don’t those young people know the statistics: 50% of college graduates since 2008 are unemployed? And most deeply in debt? Ah, hope and change in Obama-land!


13 posted on 11/06/2012 5:57:00 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds ("The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

To have a loved-one become liberal is the same as having one become one of the “walking dead”. Liberalism rots out the human brain and deprives it of the ability to reason logically and objectively. It instills a strong self-loathing characteristic that eventually leads to violent behavior as the disease takes it’s full course. We’ve all seen and experienced it in one way, shape or another. They essentially become mental zombies....so sad, when it’s a close friend or a loved-one.


14 posted on 11/06/2012 5:57:47 AM PST by lgjhn23
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: autumnraine
I find myself dropping a lot of my life long friends due to politics. I get so angry when they start spouting all the talking points of the left that it's not good for my blood pressure.

I can't believe politics can ruin friendships but it has. I don't bother anymore talking with them... so sad.Has anyone else experienced this or am I just crazy?

15 posted on 11/06/2012 6:00:17 AM PST by estrogen (Vote vote vote)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I have a lib step-daughter who just has an incredible belief in Big Government to solve the country’s problems. Useless to argue with her she’s so sure she’s right. She was visiting over the weekend with her children and at one moment went off on a diatribe about Michelle Bachman. And when we were watching tv, insisted on watching that liberal, other-world fantasy HBO’s “The Newsroom.” (we purchased HBO to watch The Sopranos...it’s long outlived its usefulness). I wish Bachman would have gotten the nomination for prez simply to see the look on her face when she saw the “Bachman For President” lawn sign in our front yard.


16 posted on 11/06/2012 6:05:35 AM PST by driftless2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

I have a few similar relatives but I can’t be bothered to debate them.

I think that ignorance must be like being adrift on the sea and unable to swim. You feel a primal fear and you cling to the nearest piece of floating debris. The memory of the fear is too strong to convince you to leave the floating debris even after the life rafts are nearby waiting to pick you up.

And that’s the biggest hurdle: instincts, combined with conditioning, make a very tough nut to crack.

It’s no coincidence that the public schools have been producing legions of ‘smart’ ignorant types for decades.


17 posted on 11/06/2012 6:08:32 AM PST by relictele
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

Some people are convinced that rescue is at the stern, some are convinced rescue is at the bow...


18 posted on 11/06/2012 6:09:15 AM PST by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now. Live Healthy, take your Shooting Iron daily.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: estrogen

>> “I find myself dropping a lot of my life long friends due to politics.” <<

.
I am no longer on speaking terms with a cousin that had been like my “Big Sis” for the last 68 years. She’s in-the-tank for all the freebies she can get.


19 posted on 11/06/2012 6:13:40 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: driftless2
I have a lib step-daughter who just has an incredible belief in Big Government to solve the country’s problems.

The correct response to that is: "Well, I know that Obama is a brilliant, all-wise and all-seeing gift to our benighted nation, but let me ask you -- once the all-caring Democrats have installed their agenda to make sure the government controls virtually every aspect of our lives, what will you do when an Eeevill Republican eventually gets into office, and then uses that power against you?"

20 posted on 11/06/2012 6:18:12 AM PST by Maceman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

A couple of suggestions - sometimes they help put a chink in their armour.

1) If Roe v Wade is repealed, what happens? Answer: the question goes back to the states as it was prior. Ask them if they really think their state would outlaw abortion, and point out that states are already free to define issues of life and death as they see fit (murder, etc.). Why are they against people having choices?

2) You can make a good case that the differences between liberals and conservatives is that liberals want to force everyone, including those who disagree, to conform with their worldview by using the force of the state to shove it down their throats (either by outright coersion, or by confiscation or both). Conservatives largely just want to be left alone and are willing to do so to others. If their ideas are so wonderful, why do they look to the state first rather than trying to convince those who disagree? Are they so inept at explaining, or are the public schools they’ve run for decades that useless?


21 posted on 11/06/2012 6:19:31 AM PST by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

Personally I will not associate myself with any lefties and IMO they are traitors to this country. I don’t care if they are friends or family. This is war and our country as we know it is at stake, and anyone who votes for Barky or defends that leftist crap is the enemy. Period.


22 posted on 11/06/2012 6:28:18 AM PST by VP82254
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

All my liberal friends have long since given up and self deported......I don’t miss a one of them!!!


23 posted on 11/06/2012 6:31:23 AM PST by ontap
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Maceman

Arguments like that are useless. She’s a lawyer and is connected to the Dem party in Minnesota. Abortion “rights” is one of her big issues. Might as well be arguing with a brick wall. Her husband, on the other hand, while still a Dem is highly switchable. He doesn’t like Obama, but he doesn’t like Romney either. I’ll keep working on him.


24 posted on 11/06/2012 6:36:39 AM PST by driftless2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: madmominct
It's even worse for getting "news" to anyone under 27 in this Country.

Most of these sneering idiots are adoring fans of the lying jerk and democrat, Jonathan Leibowitz AKA Jon Stewart.

Their shared narcissism and stupidity are why I have a hard time associating or otherwise acknowledging anyone in that particular age group.

25 posted on 11/06/2012 6:47:18 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: VP82254

Amen!


26 posted on 11/06/2012 6:48:20 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: estrogen

No, it’s not just you. And the hardest part is that there is no conversation, no back and forth, no thought process. Just point A, point B, etc... and if you even show hard evidence of how they are wrong, it’s like the brain just hits ‘reset’ and they start over again. It’s actually odd.


27 posted on 11/06/2012 6:51:45 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: autumnraine

You should read Dr. Lyle Rossiter’s book about the connection between democrats and mental illness.


28 posted on 11/06/2012 6:57:30 AM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: MomofMarine

” I cannot believe a successful entrepreneur could be so blind.”

Maybe getting hit by upcoming Obamacare taxes and regulations will make him see the light.


29 posted on 11/06/2012 7:14:17 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Prole

Unfortunately, many of the people we watch, listen to, and read are Liberals. It is generally considered that a forum generally for people in their 20s is a Liberal forum based upon the age demographic. And yes, like older Liberals, they can be so arrogant and elitist in their ways of thinking. It is so predictable and so cliched whenever I hear somebody entertaining me get into some kind of Left-Wing political argument.

And than we have the professors who teach people in my demographic(I am 26 years old, BTW) who are generally Liberal if they espouse their political views. I had a professor, last semester I think, who kept on making offtopic political remarks about how “brilliant” Obama is. Everyone laughed with him but me, and I finally took action.

One day while he was so self-absorbed in his rant about how Obama is too smart for people, I started making a few noises with my pencil. He looked at me and said that he could tell that somebody is ticked off. So he asked my opinion, and I said that this is not the proper time or place for it to be made. He agreed with me, actually, never brought up politics again and apologized to me five times.

Now, I have a professor who seems so ideologically in the bank that every day of class feels like a massive migraine having to listen to him rant and rave about how bad US foreign policy was, how destructive Capitalism is. Unfortunately, if you are not too well informed than it is easy to be turned to his side of the argument since he tosses in factoids along with his ideological biases. None of it seems related to the subject I am taking and I am in there just to get a degree.

So, in conclusion. I know that it has taken me a lot to say this but it takes a steel will and stubborness to be into what my age group is and to brush off any political disagreements with ease. I know little to no Conservatives in my youth-ridden environment at the place I work at, and I just shrug off any political statements they make on FB. That is all I can say. Oh and I don’t watch the Daily Show. I hate Liberal biases.


30 posted on 11/06/2012 7:15:18 AM PST by Merta (Like Joe Jones, but in reverse, I talk too much.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor
It thrives on envy.

And envy comes from vanity/pride, thinking too highly of oneself, too much self-esteem. People are too quick to take personal credit for all the gifts and blessings that were given to them. To improve things we don't need a self-esteem movement but a self-humble movement.

Many times false self-esteem develops as a protective response to painful events during childhood: an absent father, witnessing other children receive gifts for their birthday and Christmas. This certainly explains O'Bastard's hardcore leftism. To this day the O'Bastard household bans birthday and Christmas gifts for their children, and if the O'Bastard could he would ban them for yours.

Pride leads to envy which leads to hate which leads to theft, destruction, murder, war, and most of the evil in the world. A plus side of this defect of human nature is it also drives human evolution at a much higher speed than natural selection. We owe our high intelligence to the special environmental pressure of envy, which pushes human development along at high speed while leaving other plants and animals untouched. During tribal warfare, the left side of the bell curve is more likely to get killed off. Unfortunately the bell curve spontaneously reforms and the cycle of violence repeats forever at a self-regulating pace.

Don't hate the envious, but do buy a gun. Nothing has suddenly changed or will change about human nature.

31 posted on 11/06/2012 7:21:10 AM PST by Reeses
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: VP82254

I agree. Anyone who is a Lib/Dem has been removed from my life. I cannot respect anyone who is at best ignorant, evil, or more likely just plain stupid. Life is too short to be associated with people who cause you stress or make you ashamed that you know them. I cannot interact regularly or respect anyone who is a Democrat.


32 posted on 11/06/2012 8:19:57 AM PST by BizBroker (Democrats know nothing. If they knew that they knew nothing, that would be something. But they don't)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: scottfactor

No one chooses the family tree they are born into, but they damn sure can prune some branches.


33 posted on 11/06/2012 10:28:36 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson