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Trayvon Martin to go under the public microscope, like George Zimmerman did
The Examiner ^ | September 14, 2012 | Radell Smith

Posted on 09/14/2012 7:20:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

On Friday, Sept. 14, the Orlando Sentinel stated that in response to the defense seeking Trayvon Martin's social media records and school records, which could show behavioral issues and more about the deceased, that the prosecution will release additional records on the accused next week.

The family of the deceased has called the defense's request for personal records as "character assassination" and a "witch hunt," but any criminal defense attorney worth their salt calls it putting on a complete defense for their accused client.

And since George Zimmerman's own life hangs in the balance in a court of law, it seems prudent for the facts to come out about each male's public and private life and records--especially if something in those records could shed better light on the shooting death.

Naturally, an attorney for the Martin family is saying the request for records which may show the Sanford, Florida shooting victim in a negative light is "an attack" on the deceased, as HLN reports.

Yet if nothing derogatory is found on the dead youth, then what harm is there in requesting records that show him as an exemplary young man without any known gang ties or issues about conduct unbecoming?

Wednesday, Sept. 19 appears to be the date the public will get that answer, with the state slated to release their last batch of evidence regarding the shooting that took the life of the youth on school suspension, and the defense finally obtaining all the data from schools sought 10 days earlier.

And while it is generally the case that school records are not released to the public at large, this is also a nationally headline-generating case with racial repercussions that appear to dictate deviating from the norm in order to keep the public better informed about the facts....

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TOPICS: Government; Local News; Politics
KEYWORDS: florida; georgezimmerman; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 09/14/2012 7:20:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

His parents may want to get those book and movie deals done if they haven’t already done so.


2 posted on 09/14/2012 7:23:41 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m thinking the media coverage is going to be ... ... ... ... insert cricket noises here.


3 posted on 09/14/2012 7:29:14 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What?

I understood he was just an 11 year old Hollister wearing clean cut kid.
/sarc


4 posted on 09/14/2012 7:37:36 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Every conservative knew the attacks were coming... 3.5 years ago when Obama was elected.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Given that *nobody*,apart from the kid and Zimmerman,knows “who did what to whom,when and why” the best way for a reasonable,unbiased person to develop a hunch as to exactly what *did* happen is to look at the past of *both* individuals.If one,and *only* one,had a clean,”respectable” background up until that point then it's reasonable to suspect that *he* was the blameless one.If both have a clean,or dirty,past then perhaps it's back to square one.
5 posted on 09/14/2012 7:39:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This certainly should be fun.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 7:39:48 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The family of the deceased has called the defense's request for personal records as "character assassination" and a "witch hunt,"...

This comment by the family clearly indicates that there's "dirt" to be found if they look hard enough.My money's on the kids having been a worthless punk-in-the-making.Or maybe even worse...a fully formed worthless punk.

7 posted on 09/14/2012 7:47:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet.
8 posted on 09/14/2012 7:51:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Martin family and attorneys are going to come unglued when this all comes out and they will need another session with Dr Phil to help them to rationalize it all away like he did today.


9 posted on 09/14/2012 7:56:09 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’ll the jury hears that the thug Trayvon went to that 7-11 in the rain to get the Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Tea because those were the ingredients he needed to add to the Robitussin to brew up some “lean”. This should be a fun trial.


10 posted on 09/14/2012 7:59:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Trayvon’s use of “lean” is documented through his own posts and questions on “social media sites”, and also his video taped behavior at the 7-11 shortly before his untimely demise. Arizona Watermelon Tea and Skittles still sound harmless to people who are not familiar with one of the newest ways teens use to get high. Diesel oil and fertilizer sound harmless to those not familiar with their use in bringing down the federal building in Oklahoma.
11 posted on 09/14/2012 8:50:37 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: JAKraig

Bookmark


13 posted on 09/14/2012 9:06:22 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: JAKraig

Having taught in a predominately black urban school system for the past 10 years, I can attest to everything you have said, particularly about how their culture is not completely civilized. I have said this countless times.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 9:28:06 PM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

[[ The family of the deceased has called the defense’s request for personal records as “character assassination” and a “witch hunt,” ]]

Really, and what do they call what has happened to George Zimmerman? Do they think George was cordially invited to spend time in prison? Do they htink that the prosecution levelling FALSE CHARGES agaisnt him was actually terms of endearment? Do they think the black comunity issuing DEATH WARRENTS agaisnt George was acts of kidnness and love?

I wonder how much trayvon’s mother has made of the trademark she put on Trayvon’s name? What a class act-


15 posted on 09/14/2012 9:32:12 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lancey Howard

[[What’ll the jury hears that the thug Trayvon went to that 7-11 in the rain to get the Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Tea because those were the ingredients he needed to add to the Robitussin to brew up some “lean”. This should be a fun trial.]]

You can’t imply intent- you have to show he itnended to brew it up- aqnd that’s impossible to do- Not stickign up for trayvon, just commenting on the comment as I don’t think it wil lweven be allowed in court even if those are the ingredients for lean-


16 posted on 09/14/2012 9:36:59 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Gay State Conservative

[[Given that *nobody*,apart from the kid and Zimmerman,knows “who did what to whom,when and why” the best way for a reasonable,unbiased person to develop a hunch as to exactly what *did* happen]]

There was a witness


17 posted on 09/14/2012 9:38:19 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Navy Patriot

Discovery is a B|tch.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 9:56:12 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Lancey Howard

The Medical Examiner’s report shows that Trayvon’s liver was damaged in a way that is consistent with the use of LEAN/PURPLE LEAN. Trayvon’s Facebook and Twitter pages has words describing his “sippin sippin” (using Lean or DXM) for at least a year, perhaps longer.

Check out on the web stories of those affected by DXM abuse. They become unfeeling zombies that lose touch with reality. It is a shame that his parents let their son go down the toilet of drug abuse.


19 posted on 09/14/2012 9:56:49 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m still wondering what exactly were those jewelry found in his backpack at school...the cops let him go because no one “reported” them missing but you know, once I lost several semi-valuable rings, and I was pretty sure that my sons’ friends took them, but because I couldn’t prove it,(I might have mislaid them at work when I washed my hands at the hospital) so I didn’t report it to the cops.

I bet if they put out a description, someone would be able to recognize them, and they might find he was paying for his drugs with money from stealing things. Or was his family rich enough to fund his drug habit?


20 posted on 09/14/2012 9:56:49 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: LadyDoc

In my opinion, Travon was casing the Twin Lakes gated community when George Zimmerman stumbled upon him. For some reason Zimmerman’s presence alerted Martin to run out of his sight. Perhaps it was to hide something he did not want anyone to know he had in his possession; especially the cops if they showed up because of Zimmerman. That situation probably enraged Martin enough to get back at Zimmerman. That is when the attack happened. It also was the result of Martin’s mind addled by DXM.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 10:12:00 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: CottShop
You can’t imply intent- you have to show he itnended to brew it up- aqnd that’s impossible to do-

Not at all. If it can be shown that Trayvon had a history of drug abuse, including "sippin sippin" lean (as he bragged about on his Facebook page), then maybe it was Trayvon's drug abuse that caused the diminished mental capacity that resulted in his brutal attack on the Hispanic neighborhood watch fellow, George Zimmerman.

22 posted on 09/14/2012 10:22:51 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: CottShop

Since the Dearly Departed Martin described his taste for “purple drank, AKA “lean’, his motives for another high will be allowed.

Pattern of previous behavior, etc.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 10:33:09 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: jonrick46
I had no idea about this until this thread.
24 posted on 09/14/2012 10:50:06 PM PDT by boop (It's not personal...it's strictly business)
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To: boop

Nasty stuff ...


25 posted on 09/14/2012 11:22:46 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: GladesGuru

[[Since the Dearly Departed Martin described his taste for “purple drank, AKA “lean’, his motives for another high will be allowed.]]

It is speculation- You say ‘pattern of previous behavior’- however , talkign about sipping lean doesn’t translate into actually doiong hte act- it hasn’t been established that he had previously done so- Had he been pulled into jail and tested and foudn lean in system, then that is established ‘previous behavior’

*(I have no doubt he was mostl ikely after a high- however- as mentioned, speculation isn’t evidence- I can’t see how it can be allowed-

“Your Honor- The defendent is a known drunk, and there was a bottle of beer foudn at the murder scene, therefore he must have committed them urder’

or

“Your Honor, the deceased did drugs, and he had skittles on him and iced tea, therefore he was goiogn to get high- and in an agitated prehigh state, was prone to attackign innocent civilians’?”

Like I said- Trayvon was a punk- he picked on wrong person and paid dearly for it- however, I can’t see how a judge can allow speculation to go toward show motive- Because the evidence for that is so shallow, his lawyer will jump all over it- stronger evidence needs to be presented-,

Now, perhaps he had already done some lean aND WAS HIGH ALREADY AND WENT TO STORE FOR MORE, BUT TOXICOLOGY REPORTS SHOULD BEAR THAT OUT- but the case has to be tried on established evidences- simply because a man drinks, and a bottle of booze was found at a murder scene does not go toward establishign that the drunk in question must have done the act


26 posted on 09/15/2012 12:00:47 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Lancey Howard

[[Not at all. If it can be shown that Trayvon had a history of drug abuse, including “sippin sippin” lean (as he bragged about on his Facebook page), then maybe it was Trayvon’s drug abuse that caused the diminished mental capacity that resulted in his brutal attack on the Hispanic neighborhood watch fellow, George Zimmerman.]]

That’s different than tryign to prove he went to the 7/11 for skittles and drink to make lean- what you describe is simply establishign character and mental condition based on established evidence- there’s no evidence however that his purchase of items was for brewing anything— It could I suppsoe be suggested that he puirchased them for such a purpose, however anyoen can say anythign they like about anyone as ‘evidence’? Speculation isn’
t wevidence- conjecture isn’t eitrher- what you describe however are facts based on records-


27 posted on 09/15/2012 12:00:52 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

The Black Racists seem to be in panic mode now. Trayvon Martin was a Ghetto Thug who had a history of problems at school

He is not the “14 yr old honor student” as claimed by the Black Ku Klux Klan....the New Black Panthers

And, in a criminal trial, it is a lot easier to get in evidence of past bad behavior from the victim...than it is to get in past bad behavior of the accused. That is why most states and Federal courts have Rape Shield Laws....and not “Rapist Shield Laws”

The prosecutors still have not released the full toxicity report on Martin. Obviously it is not good for the prosecution


28 posted on 09/15/2012 2:52:54 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: CottShop

[[What’ll the jury hears that the thug Trayvon went to that 7-11 in the rain to get the Skittles and Arizona Watermelon Tea because those were the ingredients he needed to add to the Robitussin to brew up some “lean”. This should be a fun trial.]]

You can’t imply intent- you have to show he itnended to brew it up- aqnd that’s impossible to do- Not stickign up for trayvon, just commenting on the comment as I don’t think it wil lweven be allowed in court even if those are the ingredients for lean-


The defense does not have to prove a thing. Contrary to what TV lawyers say

Martin’s past drug use...as discovered in his autopsy and internet postings....are enough to get the “lean” probability into trial


29 posted on 09/15/2012 2:57:25 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Florida Statute on Character Evidence:

http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/90.404


30 posted on 09/15/2012 5:02:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: SunkenCiv
I loved the part on Dr Phil when he asked Trayvon's father if he told his son Jahvaris if he loved him lately and vice versa and after coughing and choking on the question both answered "yes". Was Dr Phil the only one in the room who didn't know that Jahvaris is not Tracy Martin's son??? What an idiot he is and they as well for going along with the charade.

And then after showing the 7-Eleven photo of that tall dark figure of TM at the counter, you hear the voice of Sabrina saying that Trayvon was just a little boy who couldn't hurt anybody. Talk about a woman living in a fantasy and you have a psychologist there publicly encouraging that fantasy.

Then after postulating that Trayvon was a skinny little kid with no muscles his father recalls when Trayvon at 9 years old dragged him out of a burning house. He must have developed muscular dystrophy after that. Trayvon is 17 years old and his father has to reach back to when he is 9 years old for an event to remember his son??? Nothing in the last 8 years??? And Dr Phil is clueless.

Will discovery shock these Pinnichioes back to the real world or into further denial???

31 posted on 09/15/2012 6:04:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Years ago, Oprah chose Dr Phil well.


32 posted on 09/15/2012 8:36:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Uncle Chip

According to Wikipedia, Dr. Phil McGraw retired his psychology license in 2006 and is merely an entertainer now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_McGraw


33 posted on 09/15/2012 11:26:05 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
According to Wikipedia, Dr. Phil McGraw retired his psychology license in 2006 and is merely an entertainer now.

Interesting.

So then he is no longer really "Dr." Phil and should be careful practicing his whichcraft on aire without a license.

34 posted on 09/15/2012 11:38:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: CottShop

” simply because a man drinks, and a bottle of booze was found at a murder scene does not go toward establishign that the drunk in question must have done the act”

The issue is not what Martin did, but possible motives. Motives are up for discovery.


35 posted on 09/15/2012 1:03:26 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: CottShop

Enough’s enough!

Use the spell check button or slow down!

Some of your replies are terrible...


36 posted on 09/15/2012 1:17:34 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: Randy Larsen

[[Some of your replies are terrible...]]

Then don’t read thme-


37 posted on 09/15/2012 11:28:06 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: SeminoleCounty

[[Martin’s past drug use...as discovered in his autopsy and internet postings]]

It was his past drug use that was discovered in autopsy? How? Has it been established that the liver was damaged from drug use? and natural causes ruled out? Was there drug i nhis system at the point of death? I haven’t seen anythign to indicate that? Perhaps I’ve missed it- Internet postings aren’t exactly evidence of drug use- many peopel brag abotu doign things they never actually did (although I’m sure martin did infact- but his lawer will simply argue the kid was just braggign

[[are enough to get the “lean” probability into trial]]

Hmmm I dunno- Now if there was lean in his system at tiem of death- then it could be easily brought to bear o nthe case- and that woudl be muich stronger evidence-

I’m just worried that zimmerman is facing a biased crowd/judge/prosecution etc and his lawyer is goign to need good hard evidences- and not look like he’s desperate and o na fishign escapade tryign to fidn somethign to hang onto regardless of how flimsy- he’ll need solid evidence due to all the bias agaisnt zimmerman- I just really doubt he can get a fair trial- It used to be that most judges took their oaths before God and country seriously, and judged in an unbiased manner- fairly for everyone- however, many activist judges today LIED before God and coutnry when takign their oaths-

They say zimmerman’s lawyer is brilliant- and if so he should see that bringing weak charges will backfire agaisnt the hostile crowd and court and make it look like he’s simplytryign to get his client exhonorated by impuning the character of Martin- with weak evidence- implyign that because martin may or may not have done lean i nthe past, that this must be the reason martin attacked george i nthe first place- I really hope this isn’t the best goerge’s lawyer has- in front of this hostile court, he’ll need to be extra brilliant- I just don’t see how they coukld make the jump from ‘martin used lean i nthe past to ‘martin’s past lean use led to the attack on george? martins lawyer wil lsiomply argue that lots of drug users and alcoholics never attack anyone- (and they’ll no doubt stick to their ‘martin was simply defendign himself agaisnt a manhunter’ argument)

Oh well- you may be right- we;ll see-


38 posted on 09/15/2012 11:44:50 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: GladesGuru

[[The issue is not what Martin did, but possible motives. Motives are up for discovery.]]

motives for what? For what he did?

I’m no lawyer, just tryign to see both angles and I’m just feelign that this line of possible motives discovery is very thin and I’m hoping geroge’s lawyer has soemthign much stronger than that to argue- Many drunks and alcoholics never attack anyone- so tryign to make the jump from ‘martin may have doen drugs to martin therefore attacked zimm- is quite the leap- and actually it’s speculation- I’m not certain, but I don’t think lawyers can argue speculation without objections by opposition beign upheld by the judge?


39 posted on 09/15/2012 11:50:30 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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