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Meanwhile, Love the Sojourner How Phoenix Christians are helping illegal immigrants
Christianity Today ^ | 9/6/2012 | Katelyn Beaty and Skye Jethani

Posted on 09/11/2012 8:09:39 AM PDT by moonshinner_09

lfonso Vazquez barely remembers life in Guanajuato, his childhood home north of Mexico City. Some snippets remain: His mother crying a lot, days when a plate of tortillas fed him and his five siblings, other days when the plate was empty. His mom made weekly phone calls to his father, who sent money every week to their village from wherever he was.

But there's a memory that's proved "one of the hardest things to forget to this day," says Vazquez. At age 4, Vazquez was carried by his mother through the Sonoran Desert, a 120,000-square-mile stretch of sweltering land that traverses the tough line between northwest Mexico and the southwest United States. "I remember a lot of crying. My dad was pushing my mom to continue north. I remember him saying, 'We're heading to El Norte.'" Their journey to the border was over 1,200 miles, and from there to Phoenix, the capital of Arizona, another 200.

From there, Vazquez's path to a stable life in El Norte has been delayed by many roadblocks. When he was 8 years old, he and his dad spotted people boarding a bus parked outside a gas station near their home in north-central Phoenix. His dad explained they were ice—Immigration Customs and Enforcement—buses. At that moment, Vazquez realized he'd need to hide. "To not be able to do normal things, to travel, but not be able to go back to Mexico and visit grandparents—it was hard."

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How Phoenix Christians are helping illegal immigrants as they wait for the economy—and the law—to change

Bill (who spoke on condition of anonymity) has owned a construction business for more than 20 years, during which he's hired many undocumented migrants. "We've never paid an immigrant any less than we've paid an Anglo," he insists. "In fact, we often pay them more, because they are more skilled." Bill knows "many, many" fellow Christian business owners who are hiring illegal immigrants, despite the risk to their businesses.

We pay taxes on all our workers, and we check their status with E-Verify because it's the law of the land." (E-Verify, a digital authorization system, is required of all Arizona employers, though it's frequently outsmarted by false identification and forged Social Security numbers.) And yet, he says, "I feel we have a moral obligation to break the law and help our neighbors."

I never seen in the Bible where it states you have a moral obligation to break the law and accept fake or stolen documents because it helps our neighbors.He goes on to say,"We are not only harming our country, we are also doing great harm to those seeking a better life."

The illegals it can also be said they are "doing great harm to those whose personal information was stolen to gain employment is this how some Christian business owners think in terms of to get a better life you may use fraud to archive that goal? We want tell nobody.....

1 posted on 09/11/2012 8:09:42 AM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

Unbelievable PING


2 posted on 09/11/2012 8:19:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: moonshinner_09

Mexicans need to retake their own country and take a long hard look at our constitution and adopt something similar.


3 posted on 09/11/2012 8:21:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: moonshinner_09
JESUS:

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1)

OTHERS:


4 posted on 09/11/2012 8:24:10 AM PDT by drpix
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To: moonshinner_09

could these be Christians that won’t vote for Romney or Christians who dont’ vote at all? Chicken endustry, Communications and Lumber industry all hire illegals here in Southeastern OK


5 posted on 09/11/2012 8:36:06 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: cripplecreek
Mexicans need to retake their own country ...
There it is. I cringe when I hear how the illegals are "just looking for a better way of life." BS.
Instead of staying in Mexico and fighting the corruption, the gangs, etc., they take the easy way out and run away.
Cowards, all of them.
6 posted on 09/11/2012 8:38:39 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tennessee Nana; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

7 posted on 09/11/2012 8:52:56 AM PDT by HiJinx (John 10:1)
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To: moonshinner_09

“...carried by his mother through the Sonoran Desert, a 120,000-square-mile stretch of sweltering land...”

Here, let’s really make this seem lonely and brutal.

“...carried by his mother through the Sonoran Desert, a 120,000-square-mile stretch of sweltering land on this lonely planet earth of billions of starving people, the only planet in the galaxy, in a universe of millions of galaxies...this poor mother...”


8 posted on 09/11/2012 9:07:06 AM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: moonshinner_09; All
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." (John 10:1)

That is from JESUS HIMSELF. So Christians must obey that.

"Welcome the stranger" is from Deuteronomy, and appears in several places. Rabbinical scholars tell us that it is NOT a "stranger" but in Hebrew, a "Ger" or convert and adherent to Torah law. To become part of the Jewish covenant, one must convert AND obey all the commandments. This CANNOT in any way be compare to an illegal alien, who does not enter with permission, breaks many laws, including stealing (ID theft, tax fraud, SS fraud, welfare fraud), and does not seek to become a citizen.

Isn't it funny how these left-wing "Christians" choose a misinterpretation of the Hebrew Torah over a DIRECT QUOTE from Jesus himself?

9 posted on 09/11/2012 9:11:43 AM PDT by montag813
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To: cripplecreek

most are pro communist ala Cuba..


10 posted on 09/11/2012 9:17:15 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: moonshinner_09

These idiots aren’t Christians, their criminals aiding and abetting other criminals.

The ALL bel;ong in jail.

Just like Huckabbe...illegal alien-loving “Christian” socialists!


11 posted on 09/11/2012 9:34:10 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I need a good stiff drink. How 'bout you?)
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To: SgtHooper
...carried by his mother through the Sonoran Desert, a 120,000-square-mile stretch of sweltering land

let’s really make this seem lonely and brutal

120,000 square miles is a patch of land about 350 miles across. Much less of course if it isn't exactly square. And the path through it less sweltering if some parts are more hospitable as others. So let's milk it for all we can instead.
12 posted on 09/11/2012 9:36:19 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: moonshinner_09; montag813
"Welcome the stranger" is from Deuteronomy, and appears in several places. Rabbinical scholars tell us that it is NOT a "stranger" but in Hebrew, a "Ger" or convert and adherent to Torah law. To become part of the Jewish covenant, one must convert AND obey all the commandments. This CANNOT in any way be compare to an illegal alien, who does not enter with permission, breaks many laws, including stealing (ID theft, tax fraud, SS fraud, welfare fraud), and does not seek to become a citizen.

All that, and more.

There was also a difference between 'Strangers' and 'sojourners'; even Abram...later Abraham...always reported to, and sought permission from, local authorities when he entered a new place to sojourn.

The Hebrew Children were invited to Egypt to sojourn, where they were subject to Egyptian laws.

Sojourners in Israel were required to obey the laws: one law for both.

All these, and more, are also ignored by these Liberal wolves in Christian clothing.

13 posted on 09/11/2012 10:08:43 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: moonshinner_09
days when a plate of tortillas fed him and his five siblings, other days when the plate was empty

Can't feed 'em, Don't Breed 'em

Bumper sticker in Tucson...

14 posted on 09/11/2012 10:13:26 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: dalebert

Who did they hire BEFORE illegals came into their communities in great numbers? It seems that they must have had enough Americn workers to keep their businesses going.


15 posted on 09/11/2012 12:59:14 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: moonshinner_09
If you can't afford to feed five children, don't have five children. Most Americans only have two but time and time again you read these stories about illegals who *have* to come to the US because they cannot feed their children. It is not our or our children's fault that these nations have been foolish in the way they live, often having children at the age of 14 or 15, and voting for thieving socialist governments. I don't think they have learned their lesson even today after all that they have been through.
16 posted on 09/11/2012 1:12:02 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: oh8eleven

They have voted for the corrupt PRI party for seventy years. Vote for thieves and what do you expect?


17 posted on 09/11/2012 1:15:44 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: ApplegateRanch

It isn’t just the liberals anymore, a certain Rev. Samuel Rodriguez has been cozying up to Richard Land of the Baptists along with Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson and now he has shown up at the Glenn Beck gathering that he had in Dallas. Rodriguez sings the praises of the Mexican people and the Dream Act everywhere he goes.


18 posted on 09/11/2012 1:25:05 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Tennessee Nana; AuntB; Grampa Dave; La Lydia; Condor51; rintense
DON'T EVEN TRY TO CIVILIZE THESE SAVAGES:

Latino thief steals LI wedding-gift cash /By KENNETH GARGER and SELIM ALGAR, NY POST

EDITED A Long Island bride and groom helped chase down a sticky-fingered guest who tried to make off with their wedding checks and cash. The latino thief was the boyfriend of the groom’s niece.

West Sayville Country Club maitre d’ Ann-Marie Botsch fidgeting spotted thethief in a closet at the wedding reception in the glittering facility on Great South Bay.

“I called the bride over and asked her if she had asked anyone to hold her gift box,” Botsch told The Post. “She had no clue what I was talking about.“I said, ‘Joanna, there’s a gentleman who has your gift box.’ ”

The infuriated bride, Joanna Williamson, 51, and her new husband, Larry, 53, immediately jumped into action, marshaling a group of tuxedoed guests to help them pursue the suspect.

Omar Santiago, 18, of Irvington, NJ, darted into a bathroom to try to escape, allegedly stuffing the envelopes into his pants as the pursuing crowd closed in on him, witnesses said. “The pursuers backed the thief into the bathroom where they saw the empty [money] box in the stall. Somehow, he ran past them into the woods near the tennis courts, and they caught him there..... he actually had all the envelopes down his pants.

Suffolk County cops slapped handcuffs on Santiago, who was bloodied during the takedown. All of the gift checks and cash were recovered,.... thousands of dollars worth of cash and checks in the box and that the hardworking ciuole Islip desperately needed.

Santiago was first scheduled for arraignment yesterday, but his appearance was postponed because of injuries suffered during the melee. “He had a big cut on his ear,” Botsch said.

A friend of the couple said the fact that one of their relatives brought Santiago to their special day really took the cake. “The guy was a stranger to everyone,” she said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nup_to_no_good_Ar8k4eAr1sLN18oj0wZc1J#ixzz25Q3BGbet

19 posted on 09/11/2012 1:57:44 PM PDT by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars." Dom Perignon)
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This sap-happy story is so phony.

"Impoverished" latinos "just looking for a better life in the US " are paying coyotes $20,000 to get across the border. Where are they getting this money?

And that's not all---once they get here, the common practice is to establish numerous faked/forged identities ---paying several thousand dollars per identity.

It is my firm belief that Third World countries----Mexico and other terrorist-connected countries---are financing the invasion. The invaders are pressure groups----voting blocs---since they know vote-crazed US politicians will do anything for votes.

Visions of "foreign aid billions" are dancing in their heads----the salivating federales are using the Mideast Playbook....they will hammer Congress and use voting blocs as the tool to get more and more US tax dollars.

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Third World federales are financing the invasion---getting a cut of the billions the invaders wire back home. ...and a cut of the numerous scams their "voting blocs." The TW is training its Fifth Column of "pressure groups" to intimidate vote-crazed US politicians to give the TW zillions in US tax dollars.

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THRIVING ON CHAOS The mentally disturbed Obamatons are creating a dysfunctional chaotic culture, aiding and abetting hate-filled invaders lying in wait to harm Americans.....saddling Americans with the costs of subsidizing a cabal of ruthless predators w/ no empathy for others. The anti-social psychopaths recognize no moral and ethical boundaries----aggressively going after what they want, irregardless of the consequences.

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LATINO CRIMINAL UNDERWORLD---

ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identities for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names.

<><> Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities. And probably voted and collected US benefits under every single identity.

<><> Another illegal used multiple identites to bilk UI systems of some $3.5 million.

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US Dept of the Treasury Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

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NEED TO KNOW Did he get in-state tuition? Did his parents (or other illegals) falsely declare him on federal apps to get $$$thousands in EITC refunds----maybe falsely stating their "kids" (ones thast are existent and non-existent) were back home across the border?

DID HE AND HIS PARENTS SWINDLE THE US GOVT? DID THEY OBTAIN FRAUDULENT MORTGAGES? MORTGAGES THAT DEVSTATED THE US ECONOMY? THAT US TAXPAYERS WERE FORCED TO BAILOUT?

20 posted on 09/11/2012 2:10:59 PM PDT by Liz ("Come quickly, I'm tasting the stars." Dom Perignon)
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